List Mgmt. 2020 Draft Thread

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That would go against the hope of snaring three first round picks plus Reef. Even 16 plus something in the 10-12 range next year (assuming we finish somewhere around the back end of the top 8) would be too much just to get pick 10 back this year imo.

I'd probably rather flip our future first and third for a couple of seconds this year to match the Reef bid and pick up someone like Callow and another future second to help match a bid on Daicos.

I really want us to walk out of this draft with four solid recruits inside the top 30-35 if we can manage it.

I'd there anything to say we'll definitely take 4? I always imagined we'd take 3; hopefully one top ten, another pick and then Reef.

All without a points deficit, too, mind you

 

[partypie]

I'd there anything to say we'll definitely take 4? I always imagined we'd take 3; hopefully one top ten, another pick and then Reef.

All without a points deficit, too, mind you

I think it's possible that we may only take Daicos next year if he is still rated top 5 (ie. exit the draft after his bid match), so if we're going to grab some decent prospects and get some value out of that future first round pick then the time is now imo.

 

[Apex36]

I think it's possible that we may only take Daicos next year if he is still rated top 5, so if we're going to grab some decent prospects and get some value out of that future first round pick then the time is now imo.

Next year the rule reverts back to the minimum 3 draftees required, so we’ll need to take two others after Daicos unless we have 2 rookie upgrades.

 

[partypie]

Next year the rule reverts back to the minimum 3 draftees required, so we’ll need to take two others after Daicos unless we have 2 rookie upgrades.

Keane will be one of those upgrades.

Maybe Wilson could be the other, unless Tohill is the one to take a big and unexpected leap forward in his development (not looking likely right now).

Even if one (or both) of them doesn't make the cut we would likely be limited to later-round speculative picks as Daicos would soak up most of the points we do have if he goes top 5.

Either way we need to get out of that future first round pick one way or another and the prospect of potentially adding five early draft picks who could very well be in our future best 22 over the next couple of drafts appeals to me.

 

[Apex36]

Keane will be one of those upgrades.

Maybe Wilson could be the other, unless Tohill is the one to take a big and unexpected leap forward in his development (not looking likely right now).

Keep in mind that we have another academy player in Dib next year as well who we’ll have priority access to.

 

[Prochard123]

Can Reid or Cox play FF. My understanding is they are more FB HB types. The top FFs of the draft are down the order apart from the obvious Macdonald and Thilthorpe. What’s wrong with going for a FF FF like Callow or Baldwin? Especially if the are 2nd rounders. If we get in Macrae (better than his brother) Ford (Rozee like?) and Reef than trade back into the draft for Callow or Baldwin I’d be absolutely smitten. With Brodie our Ruck and Moore holding down back for quite a while we get the midfield replacements ready to kick to Kelly and Callow (Kennedy and Darling??)


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Reid hasn't, Cox has.

Reckon KPP these days can all transition either way if they try.

What characteristic did Hooker or Mcdonald show in their draft years that they can play KPF?

 

[Apex36]

Reid hasn't, Cox has.

Reckon KPP these days can all transition either way if they try.

What characteristic did Hooker or Mcdonald show in their draft years that they can play KPF?

Reid has played forward too. Just not as often as Cox.

 

[partypie]

Keep in mind that we have another academy player in Dib next year as well who we’ll have priority access to.

We only get that priority access if he (Dib) makes it past the first round and, in that case, if we rate him then I'm sure that we'll find a way to acquire the necessary points to match a bid.

Worst case is a bid at pick 20 which we'd need 715 points to match.

 

[Gone Critical]

the only true misses there are McClarty and Kennedy - all the others had subsequent issues that any additional DD could not have predicted.
And Sier is NOT a miss.

It’s always a bit easier to look back in retrospect and I think it’s also easy to get over excited with what the possibilities are before or immediately after the draft compared to a few seasons down the track when reality has hit

With 14, 16, 65 and 70 if we could get one solid B grader or better and a role player it would be an excellent result in 5 seasons time. Add more if we swap our future 1st into 2020

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Next year the rule reverts back to the minimum 3 draftees required, so we’ll need to take two others after Daicos unless we have 2 rookie upgrades.

Noble will require an upgrade end of next year, and unless Keane is being promoted a year early as part of the two-year extension he just signed, he'll be promoted next year as well.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

We only get that priority access if he (Dib) makes it past the first round and, in that case, if we rate him then I'm sure that we'll find a way to acquire the necessary points to match a bid.

Worst case is a bid at pick 20 which we'd need 715 points to match.

Not even first round, first 20 picks.

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[Jen2310]

I'd there anything to say we'll definitely take 4? I always imagined we'd take 3; hopefully one top ten, another pick and then Reef.

All without a points deficit, too, mind you

I read an article that said we'd likely use 4-5 picks in the draft. How many players that ends up is anyone's guess

 

[Matt_352]

I think we will take 4, hopefully 2 before Reef.

 

[sr36]

Next year the rule reverts back to the minimum 3 draftees required, so we’ll need to take two others after Daicos unless we have 2 rookie upgrades.

I don't reckon it will revert back though. I think next year list sizes will get set at the lower thresholds of this year's possibilities. So they're looking at a two year period to cut list sizes down, meaning it will be loose again with draft requirements next year.

 

[cityslick1]

And on the new episode of road to the draft, they are talking about Nik Cox going top 10... that Essendon would look at him at one of their picks..

Bags of potential. They'd be stupid not to, and def gone by our picks sadly...

 

[Apex36]

We only get that priority access if he (Dib) makes it past the first round and, in that case, if we rate him then I'm sure that we'll find a way to acquire the necessary points to match a bid.

Worst case is a bid at pick 20 which we'd need 715 points to match.

He’s unlikely to be top 30 at this stage

 

[Gone Critical]

Maybe a bit quirky, but looking at our haul from the last 5 drafts, 17 players all up, it struck me we have a pretty meagre wash up and it emphasis’s my thought about how we can get caught up in building these kids up.


Try this, if you looked at one of our boards old whipping boys, Jarryd Blair

Jarryd Blair

Age

35

Ht

174cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.0

4star

K

7.1

3star

HB

8.9

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

4.7

5star

G

0.8

4star

No current season stats available

D

14.6

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

G

0.4

3star

, how many of the players drafted in the last five years do you imagine will make a bigger contribution to Collingwood than Blair did. My list is below

2015
Sier. Probably not
Phillips. No
Wills. No
Crocker. No

2016
McLarty no
Call Brown. Probably not
Kirby no
Daicos Yes

2017
Stephenson No, our star of last 5 drafts
Murphy probably not
T Brown a chance

2018
Quaynor. Clear yes
Kelly Early days but a good chance
Atu No

2019
Rantall. Unknown but probably not
Bianco. Unknown but probably not
Ruscoe. Doubtful

So for me 2/17 have clearly shown enough to expect they will be better than Blair’s contribution. 6 are definite no’s and the rest we see, probably 2-3 will do so

We have lost 2 A grade talents off our list, maybe they didn’t do too much in 2020 but I doubt we are replacing them in this years draft and only 2 left on the list from the last 5 years have any realistic chance of being at that level.

Nick D is the obvious next high level talent we have access to. They are bloody hard to get and we gave two away for peanuts. Sorry still angry and it looks like this will all
simmer down and Eddie/Bucks etc won’t feel
the consequences

 

[Apex36]

I don't reckon it will revert back though. I think next year list sizes will get set at the lower thresholds of this year's possibilities. So they're looking at a two year period to cut list sizes down, meaning it will be loose again with draft requirements next year.

I’m working on what’s been reported, not what you think might happen.

 

[AndrewShawble]

Yuck. I’ll be ropeable if we end up with 3 mids in such a strong draft for talls.

It would just be history repeating tbh

 

[Pie 4 Life]

The BigFooty Phantom Draft starts this morning, I'll probably be picking around lunchtime all this going smoothly. In case we have any spies coming into the this thread ... there are three players I have who are targeted for that Pick 14, and if it looks like one will still be available when a McInnes bid comes in (and not to be there at 16) I'll let him go, but if those three players (who all fill a particular need you can probably read between the lines ) are gone, then the difference between McInnes and the others in that range (barring some top five player sliding massively) is negligible so I would just match given the already obvious links to the club.

I believe we make five selections (in this draft) so if McInnes comes after #16 (which no brainer I'll match then), then even using the late picks to match I'll have a couple of late picks which is exciting.

 

[Jelly Bean]

I think if we are targeting KPPs, which by statements from the club appears to be the intention, it would make sense to draft both if available. A bit like the year we went Reid, Brown, Dawes. Both players have scope to develop at either end which is useful.

On Cox, while he seems a little awkward in technique he looks a beautiful kick to me. Duel sided with a big kicking range. Left, right, with depth, angled short and a good decision maker with ball in hand. Not sexy to look at but absolute quality. Add to that his intent in the air, his marking and a willingness to move the ball forward has me quite excited about him as an option.

Any chance Reid and Cox are there at 14 and 16?

Cox:
- 200 cm, and maybe still growing
- starting to put on muscle, up to mid/high 80s
- can play at either end
- good in the air
- 6.03 2km time trial (which would be top 2 at Collingwood)
- looks to be pretty quick
- beautiful natural kick of both feet

How is this kid not a top 10 lock?

 

[neilk]

Cox:
- 200 cm, and maybe still growing
- starting to put on muscle, up to mid/high 80s
- can play at either end
- good in the air
- 6.03 2km time trial (which would be top 2 at Collingwood)
- looks to be pretty quick
- beautiful natural kick of both feet

How is this kid not a top 10 lock?

How many years before his body us ready to go in against hardened AFL bodies?

 

[unplugged]

The BigFooty Phantom Draft starts this morning, I'll probably be picking around lunchtime all this going smoothly. In case we have any spies coming into the this thread ... there are three players I have who are targeted for that Pick 14, and if it looks like one will still be available when a McInnes bid comes in (and not to be there at 16) I'll let him go, but if those three players (who all fill a particular need you can probably read between the lines ) are gone, then the difference between McInnes and the others in that range (barring some top five player sliding massively) is negligible so I would just match given the already obvious links to the club.

I believe we make five selections (in this draft) so if McInnes comes after #16 (which no brainer I'll match then), then even using the late picks to match I'll have a couple of late picks which is exciting.

I can't wait to Reid about which player you pick. Don't Cox it up.

 

[sr36]

I’m working on what’s been reported, not what you think might happen.

Ummm. You're not actually working on anything, just writing stuff on bigfooty.

 

[Quicky]

Cox:
- 200 cm, and maybe still growing
- starting to put on muscle, up to mid/high 80s
- can play at either end
- good in the air
- 6.03 2km time trial (which would be top 2 at Collingwood)
- looks to be pretty quick
- beautiful natural kick of both feet

How is this kid not a top 10 lock?

I think he'd be a great selection. I think the reason he's not higher is his frame/weight, footy IQ and probably because he's a defender not forward.