List Mgmt. 2020 Draft Thread

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Yeah the Port link involving our future first seems odd. They only have 35,47,57,59 as their top 4 picks.

Pick 35 (522 points), 47 (316 points), 57 (182), 59 (158). Total of 1178 points.

1178 is the equivalent in points to be about pick 14. Maybe this could be our back up option to get enough Reef points if the bid comes after 16.


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Unless, if we get a bid early on Reef, we trade our future first for say... One of their picks this year and a pick next year (or multiple in one or the other)? I dunno

 

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Finally we're up in the BigFooty Phantom Draft.

The first of three picks I've gone Tariek Newchurch who is simply too good to ignore at that selection. In terms of upside, he has the most of anyone left and is freakish around goals. A smaller mid/forward around that 181cm but insane evasion and goal sense.

The tall is coming, but it is more tactical knowing which coaches are either side of me with picks in between. Confident the other player filling more of a need makes the next pick. Then will go another player with higher upside for the last pick.

We are doing one round of rookie picks too which is handy.

Given hardly anyone this year has gone outside a top 25-30 in their power rankings, there are lots of people getting picked that I've honestly never heard of.

I need a list of players whom are very likely to be picked up. Definitely not just anyone who has nominated!

Do I need to get your draft guide?

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Given hardly anyone this year has gone outside a top 25-30 in their power rankings, there are lots of people getting picked that I've honestly never heard of.

I need a list of players whom are very likely to be picked up. Definitely not just anyone who has nominated!

Do I need to get your draft guide?

Yeah look there's not a lot on offer and if we didn't need a tall in these three picks I probably wouldn't pick one. It shows the importance of moving forward in the draft order.

There's quite a lot of small forward talent on show, and a few good outside mids with versatility. On exposed form the players left are fairly even so I'm going for the ones with higher upside.

 

[No SPIN]

I was trying to be a bit more philosophical rather than literal. I think I did it poorly.

Basic point is if we look over our last 5 drafts we have burnt all our 1st round picks via Treloar/Stevo/Beams. Not unsurprisingly the kid who looks the best is Q who was tied to is and is the highest rated kid left of the last 5 drafts. Expecting that we are somehow going to reap riches from this draft with a couple of teen picks and 2 nothing picks is unlikely to bear much fruit.

It it was a normal draft year you would have a point - but the lack of exposed form may give advantages to Hine and his scouting team in finding some gems amongst the unfancied kids.
And you’re also forgetting we have the 2021 1st rounder to use to move up the draft.

 

[BEEG]

I'd consider a future first for 13 (ideally 10) from GWS...

Not really sure about a trade with Port...

Would be absolutely stupid to do that.

I'm sure it happens.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

BigFooty Draft update - I've taken Ollie Lord with the next selection. Highest upside of a forward left. Can play back if need be, still raw but got good potential. Nice size too.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Last pick in the BF draft - Ryan Angwin. Underrated player who is like a raw Xavier Duursma

28

Xavier Duursma

Age

25

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.5

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

8.5

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.1

4star

CL

1.6

4star

D

13.0

3star

K

8.8

4star

HB

4.3

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.3

3star

CL

0.5

3star

D

16.8

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

8.4

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.0

4star

CL

1.6

4star

. Light mid who is courageous as all hell but can play multiple positions. Huge upside.

Will have a pick for another player in the rookie draft.

 

[pies 4 ever]

It it was a normal draft year you would have a point - but the lack of exposed form may give advantages to Hine and his scouting team in finding some gems amongst the unfancied kids.
And you’re also forgetting we have the 2021 1st rounder to use to move up the draft.

We could also use one of our 2 second round picks or keep both and trade our 3rd.

 

[sr36]

Unless, if we get a bid early on Reef, we trade our future first for say... One of their picks this year and a pick next year (or multiple in one or the other)? I dunno

Maybe GWS are planning to trade out of this draft and into next year's? They don't mind banking picks. They have a lot of draft picks, but are likely to run a low number on their list, due to salary cap. May rate next year's draft more and only take one or two in this one and be keen on a bloke or two down the order.

GWS get Collingwood future 1st+ Dogs future 1st + pick 35
Give Pick 10 and 15 and future 3rd.

Port Get Pick 13 +future 2nd + future 3rd
Port lose future 1st + pick 35 + 47

Collingwood get Pick 10 + 47
Collingwood lose future first + future 2nd

 

[Lip Gallagher]

2 firsts and a future first for Norths pick 2, if we want McDonald as bad as i'm hearing we'll get it done.

As for Reef, i could handle him having a poor 2/3k (what ever they do now days) but to come dead last? Pass on him in the first round, IMO it shows a lack of effort, all these kids were in lockdown, seems he chose to spend his time differently than some.

 

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Would be absolutely stupid to do that.

I'm sure it happens.

Imagine if we trade a future first for a second rounder this year and a second rounder next year.

It'd make sense but it'd be very frustrating.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

We have to accept that we may not get McInnes/may not be worth the value on the table. If a club bids before the Pies first pick, and it means a tall or a quality slider is there, we allow him to go and take someone. The stance they have taken is the right one - no guarantees considering we do have other needs. Obviously as others have pointed out, Essendon is the major threat, and if they don't bid we should be right.

 

[Horaceg]

2 firsts and a future first for Norths pick 2, if we want McDonald as bad as i'm hearing we'll get it done.

As for Reef, i could handle him having a poor 2/3k (what ever they do now days) but to come dead last? Pass on him in the first round, IMO it shows a lack of effort, all these kids were in lockdown, seems he chose to spend his time differently than some.

Hopefully someone had a quiet word in Reef's ear, his 20m was bringing way too much attention, even wind assisted

 

[well left]

We have to accept that we may not get McInnes/may not be worth the value on the table. If a club bids before the Pies first pick, and it means a tall or a quality slider is there, we allow him to go and take someone. The stance they have taken is the right one - no guarantees considering we do have other needs. Obviously as others have pointed out, Essendon is the major threat, and if they don't bid we should be right.

I think you’re right.

So you’ve come away with an inside mid, medium forward, small dangerous forward, a KPF and an outside mid. Whilst maybe not the players you’d hoped for I think you’ve nailed it from a needs perspective, particularly with the hand you’d been given.

Nice work! McInnes, Ford and Angwin almost seem like replacements for those traded.


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[Pie 4 Life]

I think you’re right.

So you’ve come away with an inside mid, medium forward, small dangerous forward, a KPF and an outside mid. Whilst maybe not the players you’d hoped for I think you’ve nailed it from a needs perspective, particularly with the hand you’d been given.

Nice work! McInnes, Ford and Angwin almost seem like replacements for those traded.


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Yep exactly what I was thinking. Difference being both Ford and Angwin have more aggression from a contested point of view - even though they have areas such as consistency/endurance in Ford's case, and size in Angwin's case - but it's enough to at least fill those roles and they have upside. Then chuck in Newchurch and Lord who are that small-tall combo, main goal was to make the best of a bad hand and I think we were able to do that. Newchurch is a first rounder on talent, it's just whether he can apply himself at the top level, but if he can, would be daylight robbery in the 50s.

 

[well left]

Yep exactly what I was thinking. Difference being both Ford and Angwin have more aggression from a contested point of view - even though they have areas such as consistency/endurance in Ford's case, and size in Angwin's case - but it's enough to at least fill those roles and they have upside. Then chuck in Newchurch and Lord who are that small-tall combo, main goal was to make the best of a bad hand and I think we were able to do that. Newchurch is a first rounder on talent, it's just whether he can apply himself at the top level, but if he can, would be daylight robbery in the 50s.

Adelaide have first rights to Newchurch don’t they? Do you see them passing on him?

I’ll have to go find some video on him now.



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[Pie 4 Life]

Adelaide have first rights to Newchurch don’t they? Do you see them passing on him?

I’ll have to go find some video on him now.



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Yeah they do, and I'd be surprised if they didn't take him, but they have all the high picks and are trying to see if they can get him on a rookie list. Reckon a club will take a punt easily in the ND so they will need to trade in some later picks/downgrade if they are to match, so not totally unrealistic he ends up at another club if they don't rate him in the top 23/want to use those plcks on others and not trade them.

 

[LuckyLee]

2 firsts and a future first for Norths pick 2, if we want McDonald as bad as i'm hearing we'll get it done.

As for Reef, i could handle him having a poor 2/3k (what ever they do now days) but to come dead last? Pass on him in the first round, IMO it shows a lack of effort, all these kids were in lockdown, seems he chose to spend his time differently than some.

Or maybe we asked him to run a poor time trial to ensure that he slips down the order a bit?


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[jackcass]

2 firsts and a future first for Norths pick 2, if we want McDonald as bad as i'm hearing we'll get it done.

As for Reef, i could handle him having a poor 2/3k (what ever they do now days) but to come dead last? Pass on him in the first round, IMO it shows a lack of effort, all these kids were in lockdown, seems he chose to spend his time differently than some.

Or it reflects he's spent much of the season rehabbing his back injury and just didn't have the miles in the legs.

 

[manicpie]

2 firsts and a future first for Norths pick 2, if we want McDonald as bad as i'm hearing we'll get it done.

As for Reef, i could handle him having a poor 2/3k (what ever they do now days) but to come dead last? Pass on him in the first round, IMO it shows a lack of effort, all these kids were in lockdown, seems he chose to spend his time differently than some.

What if Adelaide take McDonald with pick one, which I am fairly sure they are going to?

 

[barrackers]

Might interest you guys, Collingwood 2021 first might be traded to Port/GWS on the night

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Such a trade live would make sense by allowing us to see where a McInnes bid lands. Better off using one of our later 2020 firsts if a bid comes early.

 

[barrackers]

BigFooty Draft update - I've taken Ollie Lord with the next selection. Highest upside of a forward left. Can play back if need be, still raw but got good potential. Nice size too.

Wouldn’t mind seeing us take a chance on Lord even if it may be considered one year early.

Not making any comparison in terms of their footy, but such a move would have similarities with Pavlich who went undrafted in ‘98 in part because of the rules at that time clubs that limited clubs to one 17 year old draftee.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Wouldn’t mind seeing us take a chance on Lord even if it may be considered one year early.

Not making any comparison in terms of their footy, but such a move would have similarities with Pavlich who went undrafted in ‘98 in part because of the rules at that time clubs that limited clubs to one 17 year old draftee.

If the real draft when down like the BF Draft, had Lord not being there I would have seriously considered not taking a tall and just picking up a mature-ager in the rookie draft. It's imperative that we trade up or split the picks. Even if we can get say 9-10 and say 20-25 (maybe GWS could be good for this), it means we can get a tall, and then be able to match Reef, but if it comes earlier, then we've got a pick that could be used on a Callow type who you can still get in the 20s or most likely even a touch later, without having to really reach with a R1. We keep the picks the way they are and it's going to be a tough night barring a really good drifter.

 

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Updated and added to OP

 

[Copeland]

It it was a normal draft year you would have a point - but the lack of exposed form may give advantages to Hine and his scouting team in finding some gems amongst the unfancied kids.
And you’re also forgetting we have the 2021 1st rounder to use to move up the draft.

How does that work? using next years pick?