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gringo2011 said:
He's got some of my picks between 20 and 30. Mcrae, Trew, Poulter, Cook and Perkins. I hope we keep the pick now. Also Brett Bowey's boy looks like he shot up the board a bit, got him at 39. I remember his dad playing, he was from St Kilda City where mates played and it was exciting one of the guys from the club had made AFL.
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It's a bit tough we only have one solid pick though.
I think if we land Higgins then Poulter is the go for us. He's a different type with shades of the Bont..
 
Significant said:
Nikolas Cox is my want

200cm KPD/KPF (more a defender I am lead to believe)

2.98 20m sprint (just outside Top 10)
just over 6min for 2km time trial

would have featured as a AA U18 and Vic Metro player of the Champs

Ridiculous skills and agility for a guy of his height, can't tell if the Dusty Fletcher clone is left foot or right foot!

Actually has some offensive nous to his game as a key back - just hoping he can add a bit of muscle and fill out.

A project, but these types of players dont grow on trees!

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Another big Cox on show.
Dean, Mason, now Nikolas.
I guess if you're a little guy with that name you'd want to keep a low profile.
 
gy027 said:
Gringo we may have some mutual friends depending on your age.
I played all my junior cricket at St.Kilda City and new quite a few of the footy players.
I am 54
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I'm 48 so my friends were the kids coming up under Bowey, he was like a rock star down at the Peanut Farm. They all thought they were a chance to play AFL despite being shit, they would have been the kids watching you guys.
 
ScrappyDo said:
It's a bit tough we only have one solid pick though.
I think if we land Higgins then Poulter is the go for us. He's a different type with shades of the Bont..
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Poulter was one I have had an eye on but we aren't getting much but reports to actually base those off. He was a draft bolter but apart from the footage put up I'm not going off actual proper reasoning. He's giving me a more alpha Jack Steele vibe. Sounds like Higgins is off.
 

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gringo2011 said:
Poulter was one I have had an eye on but we aren't getting much but reports to actually base those off. He was a draft bolter but apart from the footage put up I'm not going off actual proper reasoning. He's giving me a more alpha Jack Steele vibe. Sounds like Higgins is off.
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Yes there's SFA to tell without the state carnival happening.
I note that in top 10s there's an over representation of interstate players and it's flipped in the 10-20 group.
Without games the vic boys are getting pushed out, but not written off.

It's just another indication of how stuffed the ratings are this year and really I'm only going of what my own eyes see, but there's something different with that Poulter kid and I'm a bit ho-hum about a lot of the others around that pick 20 odd.

If we manage to keep a 1st for the draft, l see it as a free hit for Gags since our best 22 is almost fully assembled through trade.

Poulter looks higher risk, higher ceiling, but he does look different, and thats what l like.
Since l got interested I've called Hunter, Bytel and Byrnes, and although I've got dibs on Perkins l doubt he'll last till our pick and TBH I'd probably still go Poulter if given the chance.

From that last video he seemed a bit like a fast car stuck in heavy traffic and had scope to step in to a higher level.
He's also a 192-3cm mid with pace, which are like hens teeth.
Worth a punt...


I really doubt Higgins is out of the frame either.
If you're going off of Gags' interview, there was nothing you could take out of it other than our guys keep absolutely everything behind closed doors and give the media nothing.
Lonie only has one year on offer and they just let Parker go, so they're not happy with our small forward situation at all.
Watch this space..
 
ScrappyDo said:
Yes there's SFA to tell without the state carnival happening.
I note that in top 10s there's an over representation of interstate players and it's flipped in the 10-20 group.
Without games the vic boys are getting pushed out, but not written off.

It's just another indication of how stuffed the ratings are this year and really I'm only going of what my own eyes see, but there's something different with that Poulter kid and I'm a bit ho-hum about a lot of the others around that pick 20 odd.

If we manage to keep a 1st for the draft, l see it as a free hit for Gags since our best 22 is almost fully assembled through trade.

Poulter looks higher risk, higher ceiling, but he does look different, and thats what l like.
Since l got interested I've called Hunter, Bytel and Byrnes, and although I've got dibs on Perkins l doubt he'll last till our pick and TBH I'd probably still go Poulter if given the chance.

From that last video he seemed a bit like a fast car stuck in heavy traffic and had scope to step in to a higher level.
He's also a 192-3cm mid with pace, which are like hens teeth.
Worth a punt...


I really doubt Higgins is out of the frame either.
If you're going off of Gags' interview, there was nothing you could take out of it other than our guys keep absolutely everything behind closed doors and give the media nothing.
Lonie only has one year on offer and they just let Parker go, so they're not happy with our small forward situation at all.
Watch this space..
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I was on Hunter and Byrne too. Bytel was injury plagued so I was no fan. We've had bad luck with gun under 17s who didn't go on with it.

My Richmond mate who has a bit to do with the club doesn't think they'll let Higgins go and the media around to seems to be suggesting the same thing. He was expecting them to trade him out mid year but something changed.

Agree on Poulter, seems to be a bit different as you said. He looks like Ben Stratton mixed with Steele, perhaps he could play that defender role and free Hunter up for mids at worst.
 
gringo2011 said:
I was on Hunter and Byrne too. Bytel was injury plagued so I was no fan. We've had bad luck with gun under 17s who didn't go on with it.

My Richmond mate who has a bit to do with the club doesn't think they'll let Higgins go and the media around to seems to be suggesting the same thing. He was expecting them to trade him out mid year but something changed.

Agree on Poulter, seems to be a bit different as you said. He looks like Ben Stratton mixed with Steele, perhaps he could play that defender role and free Hunter up for mids at worst.
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Jeez you come up with strange analogies. I don't see any of those two.

To me he moves like Coff, which makes sense being similar hight and build, but it shows in things like turning circle and stopping distance.
I suppose it's called agility and comes from the short stepping gate, unlike Hunts who is polar opposite, but big, fast and agile is a bloody good place to start.

Another one is Bailey Smith, who at the time l think we both wrote off as a meat and potatoes type, but turns out that ability to get from contest to contest at a faster rate than the others translated extremely well to AFL.

I searched out a few of the draft threads last night to read up a bit and comments on him don't match his rating.
I think he's a final year bolter that can't penetrate murky uncertainty in the 10-20 group.
He only came to prominence mid year with a 19 possession, 2 goal first half and l think went on to around 40 possies.

He's labelled as a mid/general forward so mirroring Coff in terms of progression.

One thing that stands out to me about the Saints is that we're visibility smaller than the top teams.
Kids are getting bigger by the year and it's a trend we want to get on top of.
Anyone under 187cm now is undersized in my book and so obviously we fail against bigger bodies, even if they're only GOPs.

It's also interesting that Zane Trew has plummeted this year despite being able to play games.
He was top 10 for a good while and l haven't read about any injuries.

Like l said, it might be more risk, but we got super lucky with Bytel then Byrnes and I'd like to see us leverage that, but in truth our pick will fall about 20-22 so it's pretty much on the money for Poulter.
I'd be surprised if he lasted that long tbh.
 
Significant said:
Nikolas Cox is my want

200cm KPD/KPF (more a defender I am lead to believe)

2.98 20m sprint (just outside Top 10)
just over 6min for 2km time trial

would have featured as a AA U18 and Vic Metro player of the Champs

Ridiculous skills and agility for a guy of his height, can't tell if the Dusty Fletcher clone is left foot or right foot!

Actually has some offensive nous to his game as a key back - just hoping he can add a bit of muscle and fill out.

A project, but these types of players dont grow on trees!

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jesus, he had two set shots from the same spot, kicked one with his right and one with his left. Fantastic kick on either side
 
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ScrappyDo said:
Jeez you come up with strange analogies. I don't see any of those two.

To me he moves like Coff, which makes sense being similar hight and build, but it shows in things like turning circle and stopping distance.
I suppose it's called agility and comes from the short stepping gate, unlike Hunts who is polar opposite, but big, fast and agile is a bloody good place to start.

Another one is Bailey Smith, who at the time l think we both wrote off as a meat and potatoes type, but turns out that ability to get from contest to contest at a faster rate than the others translated extremely well to AFL.

I searched out a few of the draft threads last night to read up a bit and comments on him don't match his rating.
I think he's a final year bolter that can't penetrate murky uncertainty in the 10-20 group.
He only came to prominence mid year with a 19 possession, 2 goal first half and l think went on to around 40 possies.

He's labelled as a mid/general forward so mirroring Coff in terms of progression.

One thing that stands out to me about the Saints is that we're visibility smaller than the top teams.
Kids are getting bigger by the year and it's a trend we want to get on top of.
Anyone under 187cm now is undersized in my book and so obviously we fail against bigger bodies, even if they're only GOPs.

It's also interesting that Zane Trew has plummeted this year despite being able to play games.
He was top 10 for a good while and l haven't read about any injuries.

Like l said, it might be more risk, but we got super lucky with Bytel then Byrnes and I'd like to see us leverage that, but in truth our pick will fall about 20-22 so it's pretty much on the money for Poulter.
I'd be surprised if he lasted that long tbh.
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Lol, i'd go footy ability over body size any day.
 
ScrappyDo said:
Jeez you come up with strange analogies. I don't see any of those two.

To me he moves like Coff, which makes sense being similar hight and build, but it shows in things like turning circle and stopping distance.
I suppose it's called agility and comes from the short stepping gate, unlike Hunts who is polar opposite, but big, fast and agile is a bloody good place to start.

Another one is Bailey Smith, who at the time l think we both wrote off as a meat and potatoes type, but turns out that ability to get from contest to contest at a faster rate than the others translated extremely well to AFL.

I searched out a few of the draft threads last night to read up a bit and comments on him don't match his rating.
I think he's a final year bolter that can't penetrate murky uncertainty in the 10-20 group.
He only came to prominence mid year with a 19 possession, 2 goal first half and l think went on to around 40 possies.

He's labelled as a mid/general forward so mirroring Coff in terms of progression.

One thing that stands out to me about the Saints is that we're visibility smaller than the top teams.
Kids are getting bigger by the year and it's a trend we want to get on top of.
Anyone under 187cm now is undersized in my book and so obviously we fail against bigger bodies, even if they're only GOPs.

It's also interesting that Zane Trew has plummeted this year despite being able to play games.
He was top 10 for a good while and l haven't read about any injuries.

Like l said, it might be more risk, but we got super lucky with Bytel then Byrnes and I'd like to see us leverage that, but in truth our pick will fall about 20-22 so it's pretty much on the money for Poulter.
I'd be surprised if he lasted that long tbh.
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Lachie Neale just won the bronwlow 177cm, football ability trumps size, although having both is ideal.
 
Ads734 said:
Lachie Neale just won the bronwlow 177cm, football ability trumps size, although having both is ideal.
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And good on the little tyke too...
 
So our draft hand ends up being:

21
64
67
74

Those last three picks will come in a bit with all the academy crap, maybe as many as 10 picks. So they could be in the 50s.

Worth noting then that we might have 600+ draft points, which is about the value of pick 30. So if there's a bid in the 30s then we might look to live trade that pick in exchange for those three picks, giving us one in the 20s and one in the 30s. Not guaranteed but possible.
 

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bergholt said:
So our draft hand ends up being:

21
64
67
74

Those last three picks will come in a bit with all the academy crap, maybe as many as 10 picks. So they could be in the 50s.

Worth noting then that we might have 600+ draft points, which is about the value of pick 30. So if there's a bid in the 30s then we might look to live trade that pick in exchange for those three picks, giving us one in the 20s and one in the 30s. Not guaranteed but possible.
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We could package the first 3 up and ask GWS if they want them for pick 15, which is of the same value; they also have picks 10, 13 & 20 in the first round, they might be into it. Use 74 on Wilkie upgrade.

Not much else to do with those picks in the sixties, frankly I'd rather keep the players in our squad for a bit of group harmony. Especially now AFL rules state we can take one player from the draft, not 3 as in previous years.

EDIT: I didn't read your post properly. Yes, of course if our late picks slide up the order, they become exponentially more valuable: let's say your guess is correct and 64 and 67 become 54 and 57. Their combined value changes from 170 to 402, about the value of pick 42, early in the 3rd round, currently held by the Bulldogs, who also have the pick before and picks 26 and 33. And they are happy enough with points value rather than position.

Would we be better to go to the draft with pick 21 and 42 and double our chances of finding a gun in this lottery, or put em all in early to slide up the order of the first round and just use that one pick in the draft?

EDIT 2: Duuh, of course the value of all the other picks change too, so my hypotheticals are useless :( I guess we'll look to trade up, but no one knows what will be available until the actual draft.
 
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austinnn said:
EDIT 2: Duuh, of course the value of all the other picks change too, so my hypotheticals are useless :( I guess we'll look to trade up, but no one knows what will be available until the actual draft.
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Yeah, that's the problem. They certainly won't be useful for the Bulldogs (for example) because the Jamarra bid will come early enough that our picks won't have moved forward yet. So really it's just a hypothetical which is basically complete pie in the sky until draft night.
 
bergholt said:
So our draft hand ends up being:

21
64
67
74

Those last three picks will come in a bit with all the academy crap, maybe as many as 10 picks. So they could be in the 50s.

Worth noting then that we might have 600+ draft points, which is about the value of pick 30. So if there's a bid in the 30s then we might look to live trade that pick in exchange for those three picks, giving us one in the 20s and one in the 30s. Not guaranteed but possible.
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That would be a good outcome. No point in using all our late picks, we'd be possibly moving out more talent than we bring in.
 
bergholt said:
So our draft hand ends up being:

21
64
67
74

Those last three picks will come in a bit with all the academy crap, maybe as many as 10 picks. So they could be in the 50s.

Worth noting then that we might have 600+ draft points, which is about the value of pick 30. So if there's a bid in the 30s then we might look to live trade that pick in exchange for those three picks, giving us one in the 20s and one in the 30s. Not guaranteed but possible.
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We had two 4ths going in to trade period and got two more for Hind, so we should have 4x 4ths.
What am l missing??
 
gringo2011 said:
I was on Hunter and Byrne too. Bytel was injury plagued so I was no fan. We've had bad luck with gun under 17s who didn't go on with it.

My Richmond mate who has a bit to do with the club doesn't think they'll let Higgins go and the media around to seems to be suggesting the same thing. He was expecting them to trade him out mid year but something changed.

Agree on Poulter, seems to be a bit different as you said. He looks like Ben Stratton mixed with Steele, perhaps he could play that defender role and free Hunter up for mids at worst.
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Stop letting your Richmond mates wind you up Gringo.
 
WAFL viewers...

Sam Fisher worth a crack? the name alone makes him pretty enticing haha.

If we also see Frawley as our back up KPD with McKernan as our back up KPF, might it be worth considering Corey Gault to be a back-up ruckman?
 
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