List Mgmt. 2020 Draft

[George]

 

[SaintsSeptember]

ST KILDA

Draft picks: 21, 64, 67, 74, 93

Father-Son/Academy prospects: N/A

St Kilda’s first pick falls at a good point which should allow the club to snare a handy footballer after a year like no other. Midfielders Tom Powell, Finlay Macrae and Jack Carroll might well be the trio in the mix for the vacant spot on the club’s list, with the latter having extra height that might give him some advantage. With St Kilda’s onballer brigade being a similar style, 17-year-old Carroll is a prime target given he stands at 187cm. He is a great player in traffic and showed his inside work this year after playing more of a role across half back in the past. He broke his wrist late in the season but showed enough to have clubs in the first round mix to consider drafting him next month. He also possesses good agility and looms as an inside midfielder in the future.

I don't necessarily disagree with us getting Carroll. But since when are our on-ballers a similar style.

Steele 187cm 86kg.
Jones 181cm 79kg
Crouch 186cm 85kg
Clark 186cm 79kg
Ross 187cm 86kg
Gresham 177cm 74 kg
Hannebery 181cm 81 kg

They are different physiques and very different playing styles.

I don't mind us getting Carroll if he's best available, but to target him due to a supposed point of difference his 187cm gives him is ludicrous.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Thank god Collingwood have first shot at McInnes.
It would be like a daytime soap if we had players named Steele, Hunter and Reef.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Thank god Collingwood have first shot at McInnes.
It would be like a daytime soap if we had players named Steele, Hunter and Reef.

 

[hayes]

List spots are even more precious now so I’d be going for more mature players if we want a key defender. Simply can’t afford 5-6 years before we even find out whether they’re any good or not. We still need stars in the midfield so that should be our highest priority.

 

[bird_man]

I wouldn't mind a key defender in the draft but I get the feeling most all of the quality key defenders might be gone by our pick.

If that's the case I hope we go for the best available mid, preferably one with a bit of versatility.

We are pretty well set for key forwards, small forwards and mid-small defenders.


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[bird_man]

List spots are even more precious now so I’d be going for more mature players if we want a key defender. Simply can’t afford 5-6 years before we even find out whether they’re any good or not. We still need stars in the midfield so that should be our highest priority.

I get what you are saying but not everything needs to be about next year. We should be aiming for sustained success.

Bringing in an average key defender from the state league and ignoring the kids in the draft might not he a great long term decision.

As I said in the above post though, there's a good chance most of the quality key defenders will be gone by our first pic.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I get what you are saying but not everything needs to be about next year. We should be aiming for sustained success.

Bringing in an average key defender from the state league and ignoring the kids in the draft might not he a great long term decision.

As I said in the above post though, there's a good chance most of the quality key defenders will be gone by our first pic.

If we get Frawley we have enough depth to see what is going on with Clavarino and Joyce in the VFL , I hope.

 

[Lenny2020]

I don't necessarily disagree with us getting Carroll. But since when are our on-ballers a similar style.

Steele 187cm 86kg.
Jones 181cm 79kg
Crouch 186cm 85kg
Clark 186cm 79kg
Ross 187cm 86kg
Gresham 177cm 74 kg
Hannebery 181cm 81 kg

They are different physiques and very different playing styles.

I don't mind us getting Carroll if he's best available, but to target him due to a supposed point of difference his 187cm gives him is ludicrous.

Bytel at 189cm too. It’s a strange thing to say given a few of our midfielders are a good size.

I reckon we go after a young key position player. Either end. Long term we’ve got King, Battle, Howard and then Membrey and Wilkie as the more undersized/third options. Carlisle needs replacing. Ben King

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might come to us but as it stands we’re short one.

 

[bird_man]

If we get Frawley we have enough depth to see what is going on with Clavarino and Joyce in the VFL , I hope.

Joyce is not going to make it and Clav is looking 50/50 on being delisted right now.

He may well get another year but the chances of him becoming a quality AFL defender are getting lower by the year.

 

[BrutThough]

I don't necessarily disagree with us getting Carroll. But since when are our on-ballers a similar style.

Steele 187cm 86kg.
Jones 181cm 79kg
Crouch 186cm 85kg
Clark 186cm 79kg
Ross 187cm 86kg
Gresham 177cm 74 kg
Hannebery 181cm 81 kg

They are different physiques and very different playing styles.

I don't mind us getting Carroll if he's best available, but to target him due to a supposed point of difference his 187cm gives him is ludicrous.

The idea all our mids are the same is outdated now. They were a few years ago, but we have fixed that and some media are just too lazy to find a new narrative about us.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I get what you are saying but not everything needs to be about next year. We should be aiming for sustained success.

Bringing in an average key defender from the state league and ignoring the kids in the draft might not he a great long term decision.

As I said in the above post though, there's a good chance most of the quality key defenders will be gone by our first pic.

The pickle is that if Clav becomes a bust, then we're up schnitts creek because come 2022 we're in a premiership window with two broken down old thoroughbreds and a 2nd year 2nd round developer again.

The other options are to trade for one when we need to, or put our eggs in the Bing basket.
Perhaps they are already..

 

[ScrappyDo]

The problem I'm seeing is that we don't have the picks to diversify our selections.

There will definitely be a mid worth taking with our pick, but the need for a KPP or ruck like Max Heath is also front and center.
Without a future 2nd again we have almost no way to snaffle another reasonable pick this year.

 

[Omin]

We should try get best possible KPP preferably a back to replace Carlisle with our first pick

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Knightmare's contradictory take on JU-H ...... just for Barrels

Rationale: You can't give him a run and jump at the football or he's taking the mark

Weaknesses: Prone to dropping marks

I mean is he good at taking marks? ........ or is he not good at taking marks?

Plays like: Tristan Walker


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[gringo2011]

Knightmare's contradictory take on JU-H ...... just for Barrels

Rationale: You can't give him a run and jump at the football or he's taking the mark

Weaknesses: Prone to dropping marks

I mean is he good at taking marks? ........ or is he not good at taking marks?

You could say that about Max King

Multiple players found. Use birthday to differentiate. eg [PLAYERCARD="23/11/1962"]Joe Smith[/PLAYERCARD]

I guess.

 

[Mowman]

Stolen from Knightmare.

My personal opinion is , if you want a key defender in 2021 or 2022 , you need to look at trades or DFA.

Denver Grainger-Barras
Best position: Key defence/general defence
Height, weight: 195cm, 78kg
Recruited from: Swan Districts
Projected draft range: 3-15
Preseason ranking: 17
Rationale: This year's premier key defender, Grainger-Barras is an effective shutdown key defender and has the scope to become one of the better interceptors in this pool over time given how well he reads the ball in flight. Grainger-Barras has risen up these rankings due to solid WAFL League performances and because he has grown 3cm since last year. While he is still lightly built, he is now looking more likely to be able to develop into a genuine key defender.
Strengths: Intercept marking, reading of the ball in flight, one-on-one defence, shuts down opposition forwards, clean ball user, athleticism.
Weaknesses: Endurance, production, size and strength.

Heath Chapman
Best position: Key defence/general defence
Height, weight: 193cm, 81kg
Recruited from: West Perth
Projected draft range: 5-25
Preseason ranking: N/A
Rationale: Rises on the back of strong WAFL Colts form. Averaging 25 disposals and eight marks per game over his past five matches, Chapman is suited to the modern game as the premier tall intercepting defender in the junior ranks who combines that well with his precise kick.
Strengths: Intercept marking, reading of the ball in flight, production, precise kick to target, mobility, leap, endurance.
Weaknesses: Unclear whether he will be tall enough to play key defence at AFL level, unclear capacity to limit output of direct opponent as he is mostly used allowed to play loose, yet to experience opportunity to play against strong opposition having been stuck play WAFL Colts to date.
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Then there was...

Oscar Clavarino
Clavarino as a key defender plays an accountable style of game, shutting down his direct opponent and demonstrating impressive strength in the one-on-one contests. At 194cm, 80kg, Clavarino was arguably one of the best shutdown key defenders in the TAC Cup in 2016 for and also played all four games for Vic Country during this year's AFL Under-18 Championships.

Thank you

 

[Mowman]

Ch 7 sport last night had something about Cox his old man played for Melbourne I think

 

[bird_man]

Ch 7 sport last night had something about Cox his old man played for Melbourne I think

Yeah his old man played for Melbourne as well as Fitzroy and Brisbane.

Also his sister is a super model...

 

[SaintsSeptember]

We should try get best possible KPP preferably a back to replace Carlisle with our first pick

I read what is written about Heath Chapman, who may be best KPP at our pick, but he strikes me as a high risk of busting compared to other draft choices there.

 

[Significant]

Yeah his old man played for Melbourne as well as Fitzroy and Brisbane.

Also his sister is a super model...

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Move over Brooke Crossley!!!! No need for Goobers....

 

[Armoooo]

I would only want a KPD if Granger slides.

It is easy enough to trade for a good stopper.

Howard can play our main interception KPD if required.

I would only like to see our first pick go to a KPD if he's likely to be a gun.

Another midfielder will do me fine. Caroll seems versatile which is a big plus in our current system.

Bytel and Byrnes are all we have coming through and Crouch and Hannebery aren't that durable. Adding another 3 gun midfielders wouldn't even hurt our team balance, as you could just have Clark, Gresh, Billings play as full time flankers.

Midfielders, midfielders and more midfielders from the underagers please.

If we want a ruck, trade or hit the state leagues IMO. Developing young rucks is a mugs game.

 

[Significant]

I would only want a KPD if Granger slides.

It is easy enough to trade for a good stopper.

Howard can play our main interception KPD if required.

I would only like to see our first pick go to a KPD if he's likely to be a gun.

Another midfielder will do me fine. Caroll seems versatile which is a big plus in our current system.

Bytel and Byrnes are all we have coming through and Crouch and Hannebery aren't that durable. Adding another 3 gun midfielders wouldn't even hurt our team balance, as you could just have Clark, Gresh, Billings play as full time flankers.

Midfielders, midfielders and more midfielders from the underagers please.

If we want a ruck, trade or hit the state leagues IMO. Developing young rucks is a mugs game.

I like Carroll too, or wouldn't mind either Cook or Poulter from the Croweaters as real POD but with flexibility to play in more than one role.

Agree that we need to move on from the idea of a KPD, or Max Heath for that matter, as the good ones will be gone and we would be reaching otherwise.

Max Heath presents as the trade up player that we should try and be aiming for, however I feel like there will be limited opportunities to trade up during draft night with our picks as late as they are. Think we are better off doing a deal before the night with a Dogs or (more probably) Sydney to give away some points.

 

[hayes]

I get what you are saying but not everything needs to be about next year. We should be aiming for sustained success.

Bringing in an average key defender from the state league and ignoring the kids in the draft might not he a great long term decision.

As I said in the above post though, there's a good chance most of the quality key defenders will be gone by our first pic.

It might be our poor record at drafting them which makes me nervous but also our two best key defenders we’ve traded in, and our third tall was a state leaguer. Anyone we’ve drafted has failed and I expect Clav to be added to that list pretty soon as well. I’m all for key defenders and sustained success but the easiest way to achieve the latter is a star studded midfield.

 

[Barrels]

ST KILDA

Draft picks: 21, 64, 67, 74, 93

Father-Son/Academy prospects: N/A

St Kilda’s first pick falls at a good point which should allow the club to snare a handy footballer after a year like no other. Midfielders Tom Powell, Finlay Macrae and Jack Carroll might well be the trio in the mix for the vacant spot on the club’s list, with the latter having extra height that might give him some advantage. With St Kilda’s onballer brigade being a similar style, 17-year-old Carroll is a prime target given he stands at 187cm. He is a great player in traffic and showed his inside work this year after playing more of a role across half back in the past. He broke his wrist late in the season but showed enough to have clubs in the first round mix to consider drafting him next month. He also possesses good agility and looms as an inside midfielder in the future.

Has a tiny bit of the Jack Macraes about him.

 

[Ekomaira]

ST KILDA

Draft picks: 21, 64, 67, 74, 93

Father-Son/Academy prospects: N/A

St Kilda’s first pick falls at a good point which should allow the club to snare a handy footballer after a year like no other. Midfielders Tom Powell, Finlay Macrae and Jack Carroll might well be the trio in the mix for the vacant spot on the club’s list, with the latter having extra height that might give him some advantage. With St Kilda’s onballer brigade being a similar style, 17-year-old Carroll is a prime target given he stands at 187cm. He is a great player in traffic and showed his inside work this year after playing more of a role across half back in the past. He broke his wrist late in the season but showed enough to have clubs in the first round mix to consider drafting him next month. He also possesses good agility and looms as an inside midfielder in the future.

Jack Carroll? I'm sold