List Mgmt. 2020 List Changes

[shintemaster]

Agree with all the delisting.

Unsure why Garner not delisted.

Yes he has all the talent in the world but is likely to pull a hammy getting out of bed during pre season.


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You're assuming that we're done - which may very well and likely isn't the case.

 

[RightWingRoo]

Brutal, but necessary. This is start proper, of the Rhyce/Brady era and what it may bring.
Sad to see Maj go, but the reasoning behind all these cuts is solid. Either aging (Macmillan, Pittard), unfulfilled (Wood, Ahern), cruelled by injury (Maj, Jacobs) or just not up to the level (Crocker, Hosie).
Appreciate their efforts, and wish them all well for the future.
We're not going to die wondering under this regime, the Scott/Joyce era is now truly dead.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Bonar came second in the 20m sprint at draft câmp didn't he?

The fact he doesn't appear super quick on field is why I don't really obsess over raw athletic speed.

(Not knocking Aiden, I think he'll be a player).

We need to get gears in to him.

 

[shintemaster]

The blokes that get cast aside after 2-3 years aren't in an envious position.

The others have an enormous head start on blokes of an equal age.

They're not, but they're not really at that much of a disadvantage in the real world (outside of their capabilities obviously). I hadn't even heard of my career at their age and I didn't start - at the bottom - until my late 20's.

 

[Tas]

Crocker...just not up to it?

Never seen him play outside of a practice match, I doubt it was an easy decision for Rawlings to cut Crock's son, I am sure it wasn't a surprise decision.

 

[The Anvil]

Never seen him play outside of a practice match, I doubt it was an easy decision for Rawlings to cut Crock's son, I am sure it wasn't a surprise decision.

Assuming Crocker would be the one who might pop up as a rookie.


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[WD Roo]

Just a jack of all trades, eh

Great lock down mid

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

FWIW Jon Ralph said Hall and Tyson might get paid out.

 

[DaveyBoy123]

I’d put Josh Mahoney there too . Only 18 years of age . Youngest player in last years draft & a very very smart footballer

Think Josh may be past it these days.

Jack, on the other hand.....

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Ralph talking out his rectum, which is also coincidentally his mouth, about North shopping Brown.

 

[WD Roo]

Brutal, but necessary. This is start proper, of the Rhyce/Brady era and what it may bring.
Sad to see Maj go, but the reasoning behind all these cuts is solid. Either aging (Macmillan, Pittard), unfulfilled (Wood, Ahern), cruelled by injury (Maj, Jacobs) or just not up to the level (Crocker, Hosie).
Appreciate their efforts, and wish them all well for the future.
We're not going to die wondering under this regime, the Scott/Joyce era is now truly dead.

Hall, Tyson and turner to go. Then the era is over.

 

[Forever North]

Impressive as it gets this player purge. Sad to see some of them go however we had far too many C and D graders on the list getting us nowhere. This year the shit has really it the fan and the team has been exposed. Hopefully Shaw gets a bit of luck over the next few years with drafting, trading and injuries. Looking forward to a new era.

 

[Horace]

I imagine that I will be very much in the minority here, but, I have to say that I think that the club has been far too heavy handed.

No doubt there needed to be changes but 11 players less than 24 hours after our season has finished. Breathtakingly ruthless. Having said that I suspect that a few of the players had already been told. Sammy Durdin's reaction at the end of the game last night told me he knew that was his last game.

In my opinion, this cull has been done without making sufficient allowance for some matters that have impacted on our clubs performance this year, being our horrendous injury list (the worst in the league as I understand it), this most bizarre of years as a result of the pandemic, shorter quarters, teams living in interstate hubs, no ability to field a reserves/VFL side to provide match practice/a form guide for fringe players, our club's decision to go early and announce that we will not field a VFL team next year and of course the AFL's desire to reduce the size of lists.

Yes nearly every club has had to contend with all of those factors, except for the injury list, which sets us a little apart and the decision to axe the VFL team

Early in the season some commentators were saying that this will be a year, where some clubs will capitalise on the these unique circumstances, while others will struggle badly and it seems that it is our club that has drawn the shortest straw here.

My view is that in light of all these quite extraordinary circumstances, we should have gone down a more conservative path and acted only after all other 9 clubs outside the top 8 have finished their year. That is just a few days away, being next Tuesday. It didn't have to happen in one explosive punch, it could have waited a little while and maybe even been done over two years rather than one. Some of these boys might have had a chance of redemption had they been given the opportunity. I think Jasper, Jamie and Tom, have been very hard done by. Just my opinion so no need for anyone to jump on board and tell me how wrong I am. Its my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

I wonder if any other club has ever axed a quarter of the list in one brutal cut?

But what does this mean for our club in the weeks ahead? I think these are some of the possibilities that might arise.

How will the morale and respect for the club be affected, by those players still out of contract, or have other clubs looking to see if they can entice a player to seek a trade while contracted? This is, when it is all said and done a workplace; and when similarly savage cuts are made in some workplaces, some workers say "Hey I've got an offer to go elsewhere with greater security. If they can do that to so and so, maybe they will do that to me some day soon, I'm off".

Similarly with free agents looking to change their clubs, their managers, may say, "Well North looked like a good option and their offer is a little better, but, I no longer feel as comfortable as I did when I first suggested you should have a look at North as your next club". If I was a player manager I would certainly be reconsidering recommending North as a desirable next generation place to be. Again just my opinion.

And of course this may not be the end of the cull. There could still be more. We could see up to a third of the list replaced next year, in which case it will be name tags on everyone when the pre-season commences.

Clearly the coach, the list manager and coaching staff to a lesser extent have the right to make these calls. However, they also need to step up and do better. Barring an even worse set of circumstances next year, they all must take responsibility and if next year is not at least half a dozen spots higher on the ladder, then they should probably also consider the direction of their careers. And again just my opinion

 

[Horace]

I’d put Josh Mahoney there too . Only 18 years of age . Youngest player in last years draft & a very very smart footballer

I think Joshes less than illustrious career ended many years ago. But Jack, yes you are right.

 

[the flying ham]

Those still out of contract aren't safe yet.

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[benbanjo]

I imagine that I will be very much in the minority here, but, I have to say that I think that the club has been far too heavy handed.

No doubt there needed to be changes but 11 players less than 24 hours after our season has finished. Breathtakingly ruthless. Having said that I suspect that a few of the players had already been told. Sammy Durdin's reaction at the end of the game last night told me he knew that was his last game.

In my opinion, this cull has been done without making sufficient allowance for some matters that have impacted on our clubs performance this year, being our horrendous injury list (the worst in the league as I understand it), this most bizarre of years as a result of the pandemic, shorter quarters, teams living in interstate hubs, no ability to field a reserves/VFL side to provide match practice/a form guide for fringe players, our club's decision to go early and announce that we will not field a VFL team next year and of course the AFL's desire to reduce the size of lists.

Yes nearly every club has had to contend with all of those factors, except for the injury list, which sets us a little apart and the decision to axe the VFL team

Early in the season some commentators were saying that this will be a year, where some clubs will capitalise on the these unique circumstances, while others will struggle badly and it seems that it is our club that has drawn the shortest straw here.

My view is that in light of all these quite extraordinary circumstances, we should have gone down a more conservative path and acted only after all other 9 clubs outside the top 8 have finished their year. That is just a few days away, being next Tuesday. It didn't have to happen in one explosive punch, it could have waited a little while and maybe even been done over two years rather than one. Some of these boys might have had a chance of redemption had they been given the opportunity. I think Jasper, Jamie and Tom, have been very hard done by. Just my opinion so no need for anyone to jump on board and tell me how wrong I am. Its my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

I wonder if any other club has ever axed a quarter of the list in one brutal cut?

But what does this mean for our club in the weeks ahead? I think these are some of the possibilities that might arise.

How will the morale and respect for the club be affected, by those players still out of contract, or have other clubs looking to see if they can entice a player to seek a trade while contracted? This is, when it is all said and done a workplace; and when similarly savage cuts are made in some workplaces, some workers say "Hey I've got an offer to go elsewhere with greater security. If they can do that to so and so, maybe they will do that to me some day soon, I'm off".

Similarly with free agents looking to change their clubs, their managers, may say, "Well North looked like a good option and their offer is a little better, but, I no longer feel as comfortable as I did when I first suggested you should have a look at North as your next club". If I was a player manager I would certainly be reconsidering recommending North as a desirable next generation place to be. Again just my opinion.

And of course this may not be the end of the cull. There could still be more. We could see up to a third of the list replaced next year, in which case it will be name tags on everyone when the pre-season commences.

Clearly the coach, the list manager and coaching staff to a lesser extent have the right to make these calls. However, they also need to step up and do better. Barring an even worse set of circumstances next year, they all must take responsibility and if next year is not at least half a dozen spots higher on the ladder, then they should probably also consider the direction of their careers. And again just my opinion

We had a lot of dead wood that needed to be let go, a few maybe a bit stiff, but from what i saw most on here had us moving on 10+ players, so not surprising. I know you weren't one of them.

 

[RossHenshaw]

I think Joshes less than illustrious career ended many years ago. But Jack, yes you are right.

Sorry typo

 

[djboonie]

From an external... Sad to see Majak get delisted (body impacted by his accident?) but surprised about Wood.

What happened to Wood in the last year or so?

 

[Del191229]

Ruthless.

Exactly what we needed.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

I do like what North is doing on social media with the goodbyes. Hopefully no dickheads post dumb shit.

 

[Comebackmick]

Brutal, but necessary. This is start proper, of the Rhyce/Brady era and what it may bring.
Sad to see Maj go, but the reasoning behind all these cuts is solid. Either aging (Macmillan, Pittard), unfulfilled (Wood, Ahern), cruelled by injury (Maj, Jacobs) or just not up to the level (Crocker, Hosie).
Appreciate their efforts, and wish them all well for the future.
We're not going to die wondering under this regime, the Scott/Joyce era is now truly dead.

For a right winger you are remarkably perspicaceous.

 

[krakouers]

For a right winger you are remarkably perspicaceous.

Are you sure you are on the right forum using words like perspicacious?

 

[Harvs29]

Kayne has always been around the mark. I feel we've been just warming up on Froggy this year.

FWIW, I believe Shaun Atley will firm in markets as the season draws closer.

Aaron Hall is elbowing his way to the front too

 

[Star]

Yes he is... what has he ever shown to you in a game that says different.

He’s obviously done very little thus far (in a game) but we’ll agree to disagree about him being slow. Hope he gets the opportunity to show his ability.

 

[Horace]

On the matter of list sizes and VFL clubs. After our game last night, the mother of the senior coach of another AFL Club, rang me to say she thought our boys went well last night and had we kicked straighter early, we may well have got the chocolates. She also said that her son is very unhappy with the decision to reduce list sizes and by so doing destabilise the VFL competition.