Analysis 2020 List, Game Plan and Best 22?

[caesar88]

Not the boot lase of Hanners

Hammers kicking was shitful yes but he was imo so underrated

guy was a absolute star

Interesting that Hanners was an absolute star despite his shitful kicking, but you say Florent won't be because of it.

 

[Arwib]

It has puzzled me why, with Hanners going, JPK, Jack, Parker all ageing, the Swans haven't tried to trade or draft a big bodied inside mid over the last few years. The makeup of our midfield is evolving, moving away from the Swans being the best contested ball team, to, a pacey, skilful midfield.

All those posters who have been demanding a change in the game plan, maybe the Recruiters have been onto that for a few years now??
patience is a virtue

Imagine a quick and skilful midfield, being fed off half back by guys like Dawson, Gould, Mills, Alliirr, Ling, Lloyd. Could be a good time to be a forward.

I think that's exactly where we're going and have already started shifting (Florent, Hayward, Papley and Jones have attended a lot of contests and won a decent share of our clearances over the last two years and you'd assume they want Stephens and Clarke to get amongst it too. Maybe even Taylor or Gray).

Pure contested ball has probably become less important as the turnover/intercept game has developed across the league. I'm not convinced teams specifically need a pure inside bull and certainly I don't think they need more than one. Look at the way the Dees got found out in 2019 with a surplus of them, and the way Port win heaps of ball via Wines and SPP then do precisely nothing useful with it.

 

[TheMase]

Hannebery in third season averaged 20.7, Florent 19.2. Reasonable comparison.

I have no doubt Florent will average over 25 touches a game at some point in the near future.

Doubtful he will ever be quite elite but that’s ok, few are.

 

[Tedeski]

Can’t see florent becoming a pure a grader
Just doesn’t have that level in him imo

250 game player for the club will do me fine.
Sort of like a Jude Bolton who played 300games for our club & grabbing 2 p'ships along the way.
He was never an A Grader. Just a good old fashioned Blood!

 

[Tedeski]

id be willing to bet he wont ever average 25 touches per game in a season

Oh well! Tough watching games then.

 

[Tedeski]

His composure imo is not , he is a butcher of ball by foot most weeks , shocking on list.

Here we go.

 

[The King!]

Oh well! Tough watching games then.

Why? Just don’t think he will rack up possession numbers

Rather florent getting 19 than Lloyd 35 useless touches

 

[The King!]

250 game player for the club will do me fine.
Sort of like a Jude Bolton who played 300games for our club & grabbing 2 p'ships along the way.
He was never an A Grader. Just a good old fashioned Blood!

Jude Bolton was a great clubman who also played with some of the greatest swans players ever

Florent will need some stars with him to have The same success

 

[Punts]

Interesting that Hanners was an absolute star despite his shitful kicking, but you say Florent won't be because of it.

You have raised one similar thing

Hanners all so put florent to shame inside the contest , gut running and doesn’t shirt a contest like florent has done multiple times

 

[Punts]

Florent at the start of 19 should have been in the 2s

shitful first half

 

[The King!]

Think we can agree Florent is a good player regardless

Doesn’t need to be Hannebery or Bolton etc

I think a lot would agree he is not the future of the clubs success more a nice complementary piece which every club needs

Many would think he is a star I guess fair enough if you do

 

[The King!]

Florent at the start of 19 should have been in the 2s

shitful first half

He’s a bit like cunningham and he got past the shirking the issue to become a handy clubman

 

[Punts]

Think we can agree Florent is a good player regardless

Doesn’t need to be Hannebery or Bolton etc

I think a lot would agree he is not the future of the clubs success more a nice complementary piece which every club needs

Many would think he is a star I guess fair enough if you do

What has he or look like a star?

 

[The King!]

What has he or look like a star?

Florent? Star? I think he’s no where near looking a future star

Just know that many might disagree that’s fine

He’s just a player (which I don’t mean as a negative) handy club player or nice trade piece to improve the list

To me he has no elite attributes

He doesn’t get much of it
Doesn’t use it at Elite levels
No elite speed or evasive skills

But a good AFL player which not many are

Could see him being like schnieder and being shipped off mid career

 

[Tedeski]

Why? Just don’t think he will rack up possession numbers

Rather florent getting 19 than Lloyd 35 useless touches

Fair enough. But they are different players having different roles for the benefit of the team & they will both make plenty of mistakes.
The important thing is that they combine well for the team & do more good with their roles than bad.

 

[The King!]

Fair enough. But they are different players having different roles for the benefit of the team & they will both make plenty of mistakes.
The important thing is that they combine well for the team & do more good with their roles than bad.

Agree it’s all part of piecing the whole thing together

22 players can’t rack up 40 touches a week

 

[caesar88]

Florent will be a star

 

[Punts]

Giggles

 

[The King!]

Florent will be a star

53 games in and not close better hurry

 

[caesar88]

53 games in and not close better hurry

No hurry at all. Just finished his third year and second full season in the league.

 

[The King!]

No hurry at all. Just finished his third year and second full season in the league.

If he plays 150 games he is a third through his career

 

[The King!]

I’ll make a poll and see what everyone thinks generally

 

[caesar88]

If he plays 150 games he is a third through his career

Well that's a redundant point to make

 

[The King!]

Well that's a redundant point to make

No different to pointing out years in the system

People 53 games in don’t suddenly become stars from no where

 

[caesar88]

No different to pointing out years in the system

People 53 games in don’t suddenly become stars from no where

When those 53 games have been spent almost entirely developing and not anywhere close to a player's prime, then they absolutely do. He has had some starring games, and some not so. Why is it so difficult for you to grasp that someone might just think those starring games will become more and more regular?