List Mgmt. 2020 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread

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List Mgmt. - 2020 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread - Part 2

This Part 2 Continued from Part 1: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2020-list-management-free-agency-trade-thread.1241035/ What type of players does our list need? Pace, Skill, Class and and goal threat. A winger, forward flank and forward pocket are the 3 positions that we need, plus...

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[maccamk]

My concern is that he’s 22 and still built like a rake.

He isn’t best 22. He has proved a very valuable fill in that can hold his own at AFL level. Great depth player.

Carter will go before he does with Walker coming in.


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[blue shark]

My concern is that he’s 22 and still built like a rake.

I think we have 2 picks in this years draft only? If we decide we require more picks ie NGA, then we either
Give up future picks, or someone on the list.
You don't get something for nothing and I don't see the AFL giving us a priority, so Im speculating.
Just like Crozier, Hill, Roberton, etc, for whatever reason nothing stays the same.
How many have to be culled every year 3?

 

[eastfreo75]

We could always keep our picks and unload someone?
Players that will get us back into the draft, Blakely, Valente, Cox, Duman. Not saying this is something we should do
but it maybe out of our hands.
We will need points, position to use the NGA.
A few 3 rounder picks wouldn't go astray, and with how Crozier, Collins, etc have gone at other clubs, our Ex-players
go alright.
Let's be honest all the players mentioned would fix some of the Crows issues, and they have plenty of picks.

Players not best 22 don’t get much.

Blakely is worth only a upgrade on picks.

Valente out of contract is worth a fourth rounder or upgrade.

Cox is worth a second round pick with a fourth coming back.

Duman is worth a fourth rounder.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Players not best 22 don’t get much.

Blakely is worth only a upgrade on picks.

Valente out of contract is worth a fourth rounder or upgrade.

Cox is worth a second round pick with a fourth coming back.

Duman is worth a fourth rounder.

Trading Valente lol. Watch this space.

 

[Puregold]

My concern is that he’s 22 and still built like a rake.

So was Dustin fletcher

 

[Puregold]

Only comparing their figures not their footy abilities. Fwiiw I like duman. I think he is best 22 atm. Gives us a player who can play on the talls and is pretty solid on his disposal. Shades Watson by a little

 

[Purple Jesus]

So was Dustin fletcher

No where near the same height or ability.

 

[Bicco]

I think we have 2 picks in this years draft only? If we decide we require more picks ie NGA, then we either
Give up future picks, or someone on the list.
You don't get something for nothing and I don't see the AFL giving us a priority, so Im speculating.
Just like Crozier, Hill, Roberton, etc, for whatever reason nothing stays the same.
How many have to be culled every year 3?

I'm pretty sure that you're right, 3 players have to go. We have 2 main draw picks, we will get the last pick in the draft to bring that 3rd person in to make up the numbers though.

 

[RonnieRaven]

Please don’t mention valente or Cox give them what they need to stay.
We’ve had such massive list changes over the last 5 years it’s time to get a new S and C Medical team then unite and move forward.
Carlton moved on people like Jacobs betts for cheap picks and moved ratten on their still s**t!
Richmond stuck fat with the same group and just removed the dickheads king vickery.
We have the talent let’s build the trust unity and team effort.

 

[Bring back Drum]

Please don’t mention valente or Cox give them what they need to stay.
We’ve had such massive list changes over the last 5 years it’s time to get a new S and C Medical team then unite and move forward.
Carlton moved on people like Jacobs betts for cheap picks and moved ratten on their still sh*t!
Richmond stuck fat with the same group and just removed the dickheads king vickery.
We have the talent let’s build the trust unity and team effort.

I was thinking about this the other day & how Richmond just developed & improved the no names on their list to become a very good team.
The one advantage of having these injuries this year is we get to see further down the list play at AFL level & they mostly have come in, done a good job & kept us competitive.
I agree, wholesaled changes aren’t required as keeping the group happy is just as important & we seem to be moving in that direction.

 

[WaywardSonSon]

I was thinking about this the other day & how Richmond just developed & improved the no names on their list to become a very good team.
The one advantage of having these injuries this year is we get to see further down the list play at AFL level & they mostly have come in, done a good job & kept us competitive.
I agree, wholesaled changes aren’t required as keeping the group happy is just as important & we seem to be moving in that direction.

Most definitely, as cohesion and a sense of team identity, rather than an ever revolving door, speaks volumes of a team.

 

[Scham]

I was thinking about this the other day & how Richmond just developed & improved the no names on their list to become a very good team.
The one advantage of having these injuries this year is we get to see further down the list play at AFL level & they mostly have come in, done a good job & kept us competitive.
I agree, wholesaled changes aren’t required as keeping the group happy is just as important & we seem to be moving in that direction.

I agree, however just to be accurate, Richmond won the flag in the same year they brought in a few players from other teams and also introduced a few rookies to improve themselves, so consolation and stability is equally as bad as wholesale changes imo. We must always be trying to improve our list and make the hard calls that go along with that.

 

[WaywardSonSon]

I agree, however just to be accurate, Richmond won the flag in the same year they brought in a few players from other teams and also introduced a few rookies to improve themselves, so consolation and stability is equally as bad as wholesale changes imo. We must always be trying to improve our list and make the hard calls that go along with that.

I agree, and believe that the list management team should ignore the shiny lights of what might appear to be attractive trade propositions, eg. Angus Brayshaw, and commit to the draft and bringing in additional elite W.A talent.

 

[arsesmart]

I agree, however just to be accurate, Richmond won the flag in the same year they brought in a few players from other teams and also introduced a few rookies to improve themselves, so consolation and stability is equally as bad as wholesale changes imo. We must always be trying to improve our list and make the hard calls that go along with that.

Yes and they brought those players into a team that was well established and their core played many games together. Also the players they brought in were supplementary or icing on the top, rather than as saviours (ala Hawthorn in their years) and the key drivers had already spent many years there.

Having a clear perspective on where your list is at, pre-existing rock-solid cohesion in a critical mass of players, maximises the chances of players being brought in as catalytic to success.

 

[Taylor]

The players they brought in filled big holes on their list.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Yes and they brought those players into a team that was well established and their core played many games together. Also the players they brought in were supplementary or icing on the top, rather than as saviours (ala Hawthorn in their years) and the key drivers had already spent many years there.

Having a clear perspective on where your list is at, pre-existing rock-solid cohesion in a critical mass of players, maximises the chances of players being brought in as catalytic to success.

Yes. They already had Martin, Cotchin, Rance and Reiwoldt and they added some more class around them.

They added Prestia, Caddy, Nankervis and went bang.



I was reading an article saying to be in premiership contention you need 16 A and B graders. It would be interesting to see how many we have on our list, and which players do you count when some can not get on the park.

 

[arsesmart]

The players they brought in filled big holes on their list.

I'd say Nankervis was the only one that really fit that bill. Even then he wasn't expected to do that.

 

[Taylor]

I'd say Nankervis was the only one that really fit that bill. Even then he wasn't expected to do that.

There is no surprise that Martin was able to be utilised forward more when they added two guys who also can play midfield forward.

 

[Bring back Drum]

I agree, however just to be accurate, Richmond won the flag in the same year they brought in a few players from other teams and also introduced a few rookies to improve themselves, so consolation and stability is equally as bad as wholesale changes imo. We must always be trying to improve our list and make the hard calls that go along with that.

Yes, I was going to mention their additions, but it wasn’t the point I was trying to make.
We have definitely made some good additions from other clubs already & any more positive additions are obviously most welcome.
But we are now in a great position to develop some very good kids in addition to our older crew. We’re sort of doing it the other way around.

 

[arsesmart]

There is no surprise that Martin was able to be utilised forward more when they added two guys who also can play midfield forward.

It's not saying they don't add anything to the team, just that the core was already there.

 

[Dockeroo]

Would Zac fisher be a good addition for us and would Melbournes second rounder get it done if so?

 

[Taylor]

Would Zac fisher be a good addition for us and would Melbournes second rounder get it done if so?

Do you subscribe to the theory that good inside midfielders in their junior years but aren't really big enough to play there in the AFL make for forward stoppage specialists?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Would Zac fisher be a good addition for us and would Melbournes second rounder get it done if so?

Out of contract and has not been best 22.

Unless he plays every week from here out he should be even less than Melbournes 2nd IMO

 

[go_the_dockers]

Would Zac fisher be a good addition for us and would Melbournes second rounder get it done if so?

How much pace does he have?

 

[rgauci]

Fisher is quick, but I wonder if we just take the free hit for a similar sized similar paced player called Joel Western on our NGA. The year after from
NGA we potentially have Kobe Farmer and Motlop’s son. Not sure I’d trade for a small forward.

Liam Henry, Frederick, Western, will slowly phase out Colyer, Matera and even Schultz.

We need more midsized forward ala Sturt. Unique athletic blends. Someone like DeGoey would be ideal. Like him, not him. Don’t want the baggage.