List Mgmt. 2020 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread

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This Part 2 Continued from Part 1: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2020-list-management-free-agency-trade-thread.1241035/ What type of players does our list need? Pace, Skill, Class and and goal threat. A winger, forward flank and forward pocket are the 3 positions that we need, plus...

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[wayToGo_]

Weller is a good player and still plenty of upside. Brayshaw is good but we should have gone for the trade GC were wanting to do which ended up going to WC. We could have ended up with 2 of Oscar Allen, Tim Kelly & Liam Ryan.

The problem is we then wouldn't have the Brayshaw and Cerra combination. The two of them together is where the huge value is imo. Any other pairing of the top 5 players wouldn't be anywhere near as strong for us. And now we add Serong into that which is perfect.

There is also no way we would pick Liam Ryan in that draft given the whole off field dramas we'd experienced with other players in past years. Kelly + Allen isn't the difference between where we are at and winning a premiership, we are building something that is now and Brayshaw is a key piece.

 

[Tbonefreo]

The problem is we then wouldn't have the Brayshaw and Cerra combination. The two of them together is where the huge value is imo. Any other pairing of the top 5 players wouldn't be anywhere near as strong for us. And now we add Serong into that which is perfect.

There is also no way we would pick Liam Ryan in that draft given the whole off field dramas we'd experienced with other players in past years. Kelly + Allen isn't the difference between where we are at and winning a premiership, we are building something that is now and Brayshaw is a key piece.

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[Carnthedockers]

They overpaid a fair bit but given where the club was its kind of understandable. There's been far worse trades.

Its not often a club gives up a top 2 pick, considered untouchable generally. Id want a lot more than that if I supported the suns.

 

[BettercallSaul]

The Weller trade was influenced by the AFL big time. Scott Clayton the GC list manager was not going to give us pick 2 But was told to by the GC who were in turned leaned on by the AFL. Weller was offered big $$$ to be the “face of the AFL” which is/was outside of the TPP. You only had to look at Clayton’s face when the paperwork was going through, you Would have thought a player had left not just been traded in. Brad Lloyd summed it up during an interview a few minutes later When he said “ the AFL would be very happy”

 

[Kram]

Its not often a club gives up a top 2 pick, considered untouchable generally. Id want a lot more than that if I supported the suns.

At the time I thought he was worth maybe like a pick around 10 but with GC it was about more for the club than worrying about 'losing' on an individual trade. A quality player actually wanted to go there after so many leaving, they just had to get it done and they had already had a heap of high picks in the draft.

 

[Peel67skin]

I think the trade was worth it for them.

Picks have never been a problem for them. Keeping & attracting players has been. And an opportunity to but a flag in the ground and bring a player to the club they had to do.

Weller is a good player and still plenty of upside. Brayshaw is good but we should have gone for the trade GC were wanting to do which ended up going to WC. We could have ended up with 2 of Oscar Allen, Tim Kelly & Liam Ryan.

Nah , pick 2 is more valuable , If not GCS will pick up LDU .

 

[Tbonefreo]

Nah , pick 2 is more valuable , If not GCS will pick up LDU .

Meima how are you?

 

[Carnthedockers]

At the time I thought he was worth maybe like a pick around 10 but with GC it was about more for the club than worrying about 'losing' on an individual trade. A quality player actually wanted to go there after so many leaving, they just had to get it done and they had already had a heap of high picks in the draft.

Yeh I understand the reasons. It just frustrates me when the media constantly refer to it as a win for them, when for me it clearly wasn't. Weller is also halfway through his career. Brayshaw is likely to be remembered as good as a trent cotchin by the time he finishes.

 

[sumavich]

Brayshaw not kicking a goal for the season was a pretty ordinary effort.

Yeh I understand the reasons. It just frustrates me when the media constantly refer to it as a win for them, when for me it clearly wasn't. Weller is also halfway through his career. Brayshaw is likely to be remembered as good as a trent cotchin by the time he finishes.

Hope so, but Cotchin is a very, very good player

 

[vidwhal]

They overpaid a fair bit but given where the club was its kind of understandable. There's been far worse trades.

Gold Coast probably had an inkling the AFL was on standby with the handouts at that point....

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[Bring back Drum]

At the time I thought he was worth maybe like a pick around 10 but with GC it was about more for the club than worrying about 'losing' on an individual trade. A quality player actually wanted to go there after so many leaving, they just had to get it done and they had already had a heap of high picks in the draft.

Exactly my thoughts. They select a young gun at 2 who goes home after 2 or 3 years. Here you’ve got a relatively young player, already broken in & wanting to come to the club.
They needed quality players who wanted to be there to help persuade the young draftees to stay.

 

[ImperialPurple]

Don't think so , something in the early 20's I think


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Nah definitely in the 40s.

 

[Carnthedockers]

 

[CapitalA]

Sweet was not keen on paying a tonne for a banged up Cripps for him to push out one of our young guns.
We probably do need a young 190+cm inside mid at some point though....

 

[arsesmart]

Exactly my thoughts. They select a young gun at 2 who goes home after 2 or 3 years. Here you’ve got a relatively young player, already broken in & wanting to come to the club.
They needed quality players who wanted to be there to help persuade the young draftees to stay.

They also knew exactly what they were getting with Weller. Even without the flight-risk factor, could have also gotten a Paddy Dow, Paddy McCartin or Josh Schache with a top 3 pick.

 

[heypenny]

We don't need Cripps. Our midfield is one of our strengths. We have arguably the best midfielder in the game, two midfielders selected in the best under 22 squad, and the current rising star. We also have depth in Walters, Tucker, Mundy, and the untried Valente (with possibly Young used as a midfielder).

We need some pace and skill on the outside to help with our ball movement and spread; and we need more forward and ruck depth.

 

[Dockeroo]

The problem is we then wouldn't have the Brayshaw and Cerra combination. The two of them together is where the huge value is imo. Any other pairing of the top 5 players wouldn't be anywhere near as strong for us. And now we add Serong into that which is perfect.

There is also no way we would pick Liam Ryan in that draft given the whole off field dramas we'd experienced with other players in past years. Kelly + Allen isn't the difference between where we are at and winning a premiership, we are building something that is now and Brayshaw is a key piece.

Agree with this. We wouldnt have picked Liam Ryan. Also - very good chance west coast would have taken Allen at pick 13 instead of Brander if we had 2 picks in the 20s.

 

[freodog]

Agree with this. We wouldnt have picked Liam Ryan. Also - very good chance west coast would have taken Allen at pick 13 instead of Brander if we had 2 picks in the 20s.

Surely they rated Brander ahead of Allen if they picked him first?

 

[Dockeroo]

Surely they rated Brander ahead of Allen if they picked him first?

I believe they wanted both but were v confident Allen would still be there at 21 but not Brander. If freo had 2 picks in the 20s that would have been less likely to be the case..

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I reckon with Crouch ******* it up, there is absolutely no chance he gets band 1. It should just be Williams and Cameron who can push us back because there is absolutely no way a club could offer Daniher more than 3 years with his history - or 4 years o like no money. Assuming Cameron re-signs, and I think that's most likely, it could just be pushed back to 11 with Williams compo - not too bad

 

[more_of_bito]

I believe they wanted both but were v confident Allen would still be there at 21 but not Brander. If freo had 2 picks in the 20s that would have been less likely to be the case..

Not sure if this is correct. Seem to remember Vozzo saying he wasn’t expecting Allen to be there but took him over a mid because he was.

 

[showemhowtorock]

Not sure if this is correct. Seem to remember Vozzo saying he wasn’t expecting Allen to be there but took him over a mid because he was.

I think you're right but it was Brander they weren't expecting to be there, they were planning on picking up allen, Ryan and Kelly but rated Brander higher so when they got to their pick went with Brander, Allen and Ryan with Kelly going in between their picks

 

[theGav56]

I believe they wanted both but were v confident Allen would still be there at 21 but not Brander. If freo had 2 picks in the 20s that would have been less likely to be the case..

I thought you were a best available kinda guy?

 

[Pussinbootz]

Not sure if this is correct. Seem to remember Vozzo saying he wasn’t expecting Allen to be there but took him over a mid because he was.

Dockeroo telling fibs again !

 

[Dockeroo]

I thought you were a best available kinda guy?

If you have 2 picks in close succession in the draft, and you think your best available will still be there at the second of those picks, best available doesn’t really come into it. Back in 04, hawthorn clearly thought Buddy was best available at pick 2, but knew Richmond would not select him at pick 3. so they took Roughead at pick 2 and buddy at pick 4. That was good strategic drafting. Same principle applies to the Eagles example. I remember eagles fans at the time saying they expected to take Allen at 13.
Either way I don’t really care what you think - you probably still think I’m a Collingwood troll, and seem to be constantly looking for an argument.