List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[katmanblue]

Pittard = Kerridge, pass thank you.

Kedge looked pretty sharp in a suit.

 

[Arr0w]

Never said they were a priority, only that they might be worth a once over.

Far more keen on Atley, Patmore, Butters, Watson, Frederick and Murphy.

Don't mind having a look at one of those apart from Patmore

 

[Arr0w]

Port have axed Jack Patmore. If there's any way whatsoever to pick him up, I'd like to try.

Outside mid who finds the ball at will. Did his ACL early this season, and has been pushed out due to the list size reduction.

He was a poor kick prior to his ACL, no interest from me whatsoever

 

[Gethelred]

He was a poor kick prior to his ACL, no interest from me whatsoever

Think of it this way; put him opposite LOB. Tell them the wing position is between one of the two. To Patmore, you say that you can find plenty of it but your kicking isn't good enough. To LOB you say you need to get more of it. You both - between the two of you - have deficiencies in your game. Train together. Work together. Share each other's thoughts, and work with the coaches. Learn what you can from each other's approaches.

And then throw them out there on opposite wings in the twos, if not the ones.

What he provides is different from each other option on our list. We don't have what he can do.

 

[Blue and Blue]

Never said they were a priority, only that they might be worth a once over.

Far more keen on Atley, Patmore, Butters, Watson, Frederick and Murphy.

No more discarded hacks Jimmae. It never works and its time to talk up what we have rather than what we haven't
Plenty young fellas on our list that offer much more than those sorts of names if we can just let them develop.

 

[HARKER]

No more discarded hacks Jimmae. It never works and its time to talk up what we have rather than what we haven't
Plenty young fellas on our list that offer much more than those sorts of names if we can just let them develop.

The club knows this and has demonstrated so already, therefore no need for concern.
We won't be looking over there and imagining what we may make that player - We have enough imagination to deal with within our own back yard, for now.

We're no going to be shuffling deckchairs from here on in - Just needs....and players within reason, that make us immediately better

 

[Jimmae]

Don't mind having a look at one of those apart from Patmore

He was a poor kick prior to his ACL, no interest from me whatsoever

That's definitely his weak point, but his athleticism, work rate and footy IQ are elite. I've seen him slowly iron out his kicking issues, and feel with specialist coaching work (which might be available on a fee basis going forward if everyone's dumping coaching staff) that would get ironed out.

He's not some dropkick kid, he's a hard worker who knocked it out of the park in his draft year when people questioned his desire. I would put him in defence in the reserve and just coach him up until you can release him to the wing. 1 year to start, because why not?

Tom Murphy is another I'm a big believer in, but I wish we could sign a few more.

No more discarded hacks Jimmae. It never works and its time to talk up what we have rather than what we haven't
Plenty young fellas on our list that offer much more than those sorts of names if we can just let them develop.

Every option I have offered has higher AFL potential than Polson and Kennedy for their given positions on the field. A lot of them are small and running defensive options.

Go have a look at their tape to get an idea on them.

 

[Arr0w]

Think of it this way; put him opposite LOB. Tell them the wing position is between one of the two. To Patmore, you say that you can find plenty of it but your kicking isn't good enough. To LOB you say you need to get more of it. You both - between the two of you - have deficiencies in your game. Train together. Work together. Share each other's thoughts, and work with the coaches. Learn what you can from each other's approaches.

And then throw them out there on opposite wings in the twos, if not the ones.

What he provides is different from each other option on our list. We don't have what he can do.

Patmore can find the ball at will, but his disposal is really poor. That can be hidden somewhat if he is an inside player, but he is not that type. You just can't improve that to become competent at the next level

 

[Wickzki]

Interesting. Can you elaborate here. What do we think will actually happen?

Strictly my opinion.

If the AFL announce a one pick draft (where instead of the normal three clubs only have to make the one active pick on draft night) then I can see:

1. Undrafted players getting another year at underage level to make up for this year.
2. Teams making the most certain of calls when it comes to draft eligible players without many low percentage flyer picks being taken
3. The 2021 draft becoming absolutely stacked and future picks being worth a mint.

I think the club trying to get a future second from Essendon was trying to plan for this scenario.

 

[Arr0w]

That's definitely his weak point, but his athleticism, work rate and footy IQ are elite. I've seen him slowly iron out his kicking issues, and feel with specialist coaching work (which might be available on a fee basis going forward if everyone's dumping coaching staff) that would get ironed out.

He's not some dropkick kid, he's a hard worker who knocked it out of the park in his draft year when people questioned his desire. I would put him in defence in the reserve and just coach him up until you can release him to the wing. 1 year to start, because why not?

Tom Murphy is another I'm a big believer in, but I wish we could sign a few more.


Every option I have offered has higher AFL potential than Polson and Kennedy for their given positions on the field. A lot of them are small and running defensive options.

Go have a look at their tape to get an idea on them.

I know you were keen in his draft year Jim, even suggesting he would be taken in the 1st round, but he won't make it at the next level

And his footy IQ is nowhere elite

 

[Blue and Blue]

Every option I have offered has higher AFL potential than Polson and Kennedy for their given positions on the field. A lot of them are small and running defensive options.

Go have a look at their tape to get an idea on them.

I doubt Polson will survive. Kennedy is better than any on that list in my eyes but we may see different things. But I arent talking about names so much as the principle of rejects and moving on from that.

 

[katmanblue]

Like the look of Spicer. Take him as a rookie.

 

[BoundbyKreuze]

Strictly my opinion.

If the AFL announce a one pick draft (where instead of the normal three clubs only have to make the one active pick on draft night) then I can see:

1. Undrafted players getting another year at underage level to make up for this year.
2. Teams making the most certain of calls when it comes to draft eligible players without many low percentage flyer picks being taken
3. The 2021 draft becoming absolutely stacked and future picks being worth a mint.

I think the club trying to get a future second from Essendon was trying to plan for this scenario.

This would piss the bombers off which is awesome.

 

[BoundbyKreuze]

Off the list imo - Polson, Phillips, Owies and maybe Moore. We pick 1 player in the draft and promote honey and gibbons. Done.

 

[Wickzki]

I doubt Polson will survive. Kennedy is better than any on that list in my eyes but we may see different things. But I arent talking about names so much as the principle of rejects and moving on from that.

Have watched a lot of replays of our games over the past month or two. It really opened my eyes as to why Kennedy isn't as highly rated internally as what I thought he would be.

He has the tools to be a good two-way player but for whatever reason, the number of times he fails to actually run both ways is quite extraordinary. Not sure if it's the mental aspect of the game but combine that with his propensity to deliver a few coach killers and it's changed the way that I view him and I can now better understand why he's in and out of the side more often than he should be.

This would piss the bombers off which is awesome.

Do note that clubs will be able to take as many players as they have picks and list spots for and that their draft hand is still strong so it wouldn't really bother them too much. They'll just get in and out of the draft quite quickly. Clubs won't be forced to utilize three picks in the draft.

 

[Jimmae]

Patmore can find the ball at will, but his disposal is really poor. That can be hidden somewhat if he is an inside player, but he is not that type. You just can't improve that to become competent at the next level

I know you were keen in his draft year Jim, even suggesting he would be taken in the 1st round, but he won't make it at the next level

And his footy IQ is nowhere elite

Can find the ball at will, but doesn't know much about footy. Got it.

I could have sworn I said 'if he can clean up his kicking, he would be a first round prospect', and that remains true.

Some kids respond to different types of learning environments, and different coaching strategies. Patmore may be a kid that just needs to have everything shifted around working on his kicking, working on any action or stability issues that hamper that, and just let him spend pre-season training that up.

Historically I thought Port were good at this, and I did see signs of progress when going back to take a look at him. I think there's more progress that can be made, and I find the idea of this being unfixable to be utterly laughable. The AFL coaching fraternity needs a refresh if they can't actually ****ing coach.

 

[Blue and Blue]

Have watched a lot of replays of our games over the past month or two. It really opened my eyes as to why Kennedy isn't as highly rated internally as what I thought he would be.

He has the tools to be a good two-way player but for whatever reason, the number of times he fails to actually run both ways is quite extraordinary. Not sure if it's the mental aspect of the game but combine that with his propensity to deliver a few coach killers and it's changed the way that I view him and I can now better understand why he's in and out of the side more often than he should be.

He is in and out because he is a young heavy bodied fellow that cops leg injuries and can't get a decent tank because of that and is also still finding his way. Two years from his best in my opinon. Will he be a regular long term player? I don't know, but yes he has more upside than many and is a deadeye dick. Thats how I see it.

 

[The Bighouse]

Off the list imo - Polson, Phillips, Owies and maybe Moore. We pick 1 player in the draft and promote honey and gibbons. Done.

Don’t see the need for Owies to be ousted. Showing enough & Cat B’s are counted as their own category on list numbers (2 max).
Gibbons already to be promoted
Honey’s on the rookie list along with Cottrell.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Fogarty with a full pre season and clean bill of health. Definitely starts rd 1 off the bench. Kid can play just needs his body to co operate.

Takes Eddie's spot in the 22 for mine.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

He is in and out because he is a young heavy bodied fellow that cops leg injuries and can't get a decent tank because of that and is also still finding his way. Two years from his best in my opinon. Will he be a regular long term player? I don't know, but yes he has more upside than many and is a deadeye dick. Thats how I see it.

Agreed. Kennedy would be the last player we should be delisting.

 

[katmanblue]

Off the list imo - Polson, Phillips, Owies and maybe Moore. We pick 1 player in the draft and promote honey and gibbons. Done.

Why promote Honey? No need.

 

[Arr0w]

Can find the ball at will, but doesn't know much about footy. Got it.

I could have sworn I said 'if he can clean up his kicking, he would be a first round prospect', and that remains true.

Some kids respond to different types of learning environments, and different coaching strategies. Patmore may be a kid that just needs to have everything shifted around working on his kicking, working on any action or stability issues that hamper that, and just let him spend pre-season training that up.

Historically I thought Port were good at this, and I did see signs of progress when going back to take a look at him. I think there's more progress that can be made, and I find the idea of this being unfixable to be utterly laughable. The AFL coaching fraternity needs a refresh if they can't actually ******* coach.

It's not what you said...

Opinion - 2017 Draft Discussion - Pick 3 - Poll added

Same. If both available, I have Rayner ahead due to scope of improvement and being a match winner type of player. Rayners ceiling is a lot higher than cerra's their no way we will let him slide at our pick if available

www.bigfooty.com

He will be passed over by 18 clubs, 18 sets of coaches, development coaches

They can't all be wrong

 

[thylacine60]

Off the list imo - Polson, Phillips, Owies and maybe Moore. We pick 1 player in the draft and promote honey and gibbons. Done.

as we shed the fringe-dwellers the quality is getting better and better, distilled into a concentrated team of excellence.........it's coming my very good friends

 

[JustaBattler]

Kennedy is young enough to do some time in reserves and also differentiated enough to be decent depth at worst - strengths are more obvious ( to me anyway) when played third tall - both he and SOJ are depth options for mid/HFF rotation duties - I suspect we will need the option since Charlie is looking doubtful for a round one start and McGovern needs to improve his form and ability to stay on the park.

and yes the whole list looks to be on the improve year in year out from here - starting to look like the CLub is developing some degree of sustainability in lots of positions - ground zero for true competitiveness.

More wins than losses coming our way.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

If this time next year we are still not sure if Dow, O Brien, SPS, Cuningham and Fisher are going to make it as consistent AFL players, I say we pull the pin on at least one, maybe two of them. We've invested heavily in them via draft picks and we need to see more in terms of consistent output. We won't move up the ladder if those guys continue to be conditional, inconsistent performers. The key to our success is the organic growth of the youth we have drafted, complemented by the likes of Martin, Saad and Williams.

Stocker, Kemp, Setterfield, Philip also absolutely essential but have scope for another development year or two.

Fisher is a 250 gamer SPS and Cunners are midfielders played out of position, need more midfield rotation time Dow will be a offensive midfield weapon and O’Brien has the makings of a terrific skilled two way running wingman, last two have things to work on need more development time...