List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[Stamos]

Go and look up our draft hands in 2018 and 2019 because we did.

McGovern did cost us a 1st round pick plus some.

McAdam was also a part of that deal. What do you think the value of McAdam was?

There were clubs that had him in the top 20 on their draft boards! He wasn't chump change.

McAdam was worth the 3rd rounder we got, same as Krueger. You really think SOS sold to an underbidder?

 

[HARKER]

It is all about price and competing needs

eg - we have sacrificed Walsh's presence on ball to a wing - and yet when Walsh was moved into on ball last night - THAT move turned the tide.

as for other needs ....

eg Cottrell isn't an answer for a crying need for a wingman - bloke has low skill added to high running power which is in the invitation to disastrous on-field results - as seen in every match he has played - cant kick , doesn't make many tackles and is caught out of position by better players - every time....run run run is all he's got and he needs it and no couldn't care less about one contested mark - although I do congratulate him on actually kicking the goal.

Teams make low picks into great smalls by getting them fit enough to play and tackle - Papley isn't a 2X firsts player. Owies didn't disgrace himself at all last night btw - very pleasing debut from my POV - thought he was unfairly penalised for two of his very good tackles as well.

I feel it's all a little more difficult for our team because we don't really know what we have on our hands yet with the likes of Stocker, Kemp, Philp, Honey and to a lesser extent, even Dow and O'Brien.

I've said this many times over but I can't dismiss it as irrelative, when considering the make-up of our list and as Liddle said (paraphrasing); We may already have what we need in our own backyard.

That's why I feel we have to look for what we don't have first and foremost and if we somehow....by some chance... miss the mark this year, hold enough in reserve to correct it, the next.

 

[FairKouta]

I want toby mclean. Clean hands one touch player that can kick goals. Severely underrated around here. Unpopular opinion rather him than papley in terms of draft picks. Add him and Williams and we on our way. He would be a second rounder willams for free and send 2 first round draft picks for a kelly type

 

[Ollo]

McGovern out of contract according to Sam Edmund.



Also discusses Narkle being up for trade, to a Melbourne team if possible

 

[HARKER]

It doesn't really make sense to me that McGovern came to us on 700K but only for two years.

I somehow don't see how that works, for what was seen to be a player we needed and coming into his prime.

I had him as 4 years

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

It doesn't really make sense to me that McGovern came to us on 700K but only for two years.

I somehow don't see how that works, for what was seen to be a player we needed and coming into his prime.

I had him as 4 years

Really hoping he is out of contract. I was a huge fan of his at the Crows but I would get rid of him, he has given us absolutely nothing on the field. It's been deplorable in fact. His only hope is as a defender but I don't think Teague is willing to try him there.

 

[Blue__Balls]

It doesn't really make sense to me that McGovern came to us on 700K but only for two years.

I somehow don't see how that works, for what was seen to be a player we needed and coming into his prime.

I had him as 4 years

Pretty sure when we recruited Gov he was contracted til 2020 at Adelaide. Seems fair to assume we just carried across the terms of his existing contract at the time.

If he's out of contract this year, then he'll either be trade bait or in line for a significant salary reduction, you'd assume.

 

[ETET]

McGovern out of contract according to Sam Edmund.



Also discusses Narkle being up for trade, to a Melbourne team if possible

Saw that..for me...prefer Jack Graham, as Narkle lacks the killer we need.

 

[Eiffel 65]

That looks like a bloody bad trade for whoever would make it though so would be highly unlikely. We also wouldn’t have taken Duursma we would’ve taken Stocker.

You can't say that for sure.

In 2015, we had Charlie ahead of Harry on our draft board but drafted them the other way around. The reason being the draft order was as follows:

Carlton Pick 10
Adelaide Pick 11
Carlton Pick 12

Adelaide had a very strong interest in Harry at pick 11 and were a strong chance to take him at the pick should he have been available. However, they weren't interested in Charlie.

Knowing this, SOS took the gamble and took Harry ahead of Charlie despite being slightly lower on our draft board because he was more confident Charlie would get through to pick 12 than Harry.

Same situation may have occurred in 2018. Both Port and Adelaide were strongly linked to Duursma around the mark. Should we have still made the trade with Adelaide to secure Stocker, we may well have taken Duursma first pick knowing that Stocker was more likely to slide through to the second selection.

Because we didn't hold the additional selection as it was on-traded for McGovern, this wasn't a consideration.

 

[Eiffel 65]

McAdam was worth the 3rd rounder we got, same as Krueger. You really think SOS sold to an underbidder?

I think the club claimed his trade value was a 3rd rounder at the time to conceal how much they were actually paying for McGovern.

 

[DangerousD]

Regardless of whatever we do, I manifestly do not want us basing our decisions on what the commentary boxes think we should do.

Big difference between Bruce, Basil and Hamish making comments than say Hodge, Brown and Dunstal talking about our list.

Dunstal knows what he is talking about and made regular comments about our transition from mod to forward and our forwards leading in to congestion and each other.

 

[Mentallo]

I thought Gov got a 3 year extension when he arrived at the club and was contracted until the end of 2023.

I still think the guy has something to give as well.

 

[Stamos]

I think the club claimed his trade value was a 3rd rounder at the time to conceal how much they were actually paying for McGovern.

Reckon we traded Krueger to Geelong for unders just to conceal how much we were paying for McGovern too?

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Gov is out of contact this year and he's done himself no favours to justify his pay packet.

Would the Weagles be interested?

 

[Gethelred]

Big difference between Bruce, Basil and Hamish making comments than say Hodge, Brown and Dunstal talking about our list.

Dunstal knows what he is talking about and made regular comments about our transition from mod to forward and our forwards leading in to congestion and each other.

Hodge is very new to this caper, Dunstall knows his shit but is still 'playing the character' of the old curmudgeonly Jason Dunstal, and Dermott is as performative as Gary Lyon.

I see no difference between commentary teams; I see more difference in those producers who decide the look/form of their coverage. Ch.7 looks and sounds the way it does because the powers that be at Ch.7 want it to be an AFL version of Dancing with the Stars (replete with familiar faces, with the guests forming the coverage), and ditto Foxtel.

 

[Eiffel 65]

I thought Gov got a 3 year extension when he arrived at the club and was contracted until the end of 2023.

I still think the guy has something to give as well.

I thought it was more along the lines of 4 years with a trigger for a 5th.

The terms around his contract were a bit unclear at the time.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Gov is out of contact this year and he's done himself no favours to justify his pay packet.

Would the Weagles be interested?

I don't think he is. If that's what it says on Footywire, I think that's a mistake.

His contract at Adelaide would have him out of contract this season, but it was renegotiated once he came to us.

Footywire isn't great like that for players traded to other clubs that were still in contract.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I don't think he is. If that's what it says on Footywire, I think that's a mistake.

His contract at Adelaide would have him out of contract this season, but it was renegotiated once he came to us.

Footywire isn't great like that for players traded to other clubs that were still in contract.

Not just footy wire, Sam Edmund also reckons so. Can't really find anything that tells you what his contract length is.

I thought we were just honoring his Crows contract?

 

[Stamos]

You can't say that for sure.

In 2015, we had Charlie ahead of Harry on our draft board but drafted them the other way around. The reason being the draft order was as follows:

Carlton Pick 10
Adelaide Pick 11
Carlton Pick 12

Adelaide had a very strong interest in Harry at pick 11 and were a strong chance to take him at the pick should he have been available. However, they weren't interested in Charlie.

Knowing this, SOS took the gamble and took Harry ahead of Charlie despite being slightly lower on our draft board because he was more confident Charlie would get through to pick 12 than Harry.

Same situation may have occurred in 2018. Both Port and Adelaide were strongly linked to Duursma around the mark. Should we have still made the trade with Adelaide to secure Stocker, we may well have taken Duursma first pick knowing that Stocker was more likely to slide through to the second selection.

Because we didn't hold the additional selection as it was on-traded for McGovern, this wasn't a consideration.

You seem to be looking for something that simply isn't or wasn't there

 

[DangerousD]

Hodge is very new to this caper, Dunstall knows his sh*t but is still 'playing the character' of the old curmudgeonly Jason Dunstal, and Dermott is as performative as Gary Lyon.

I see no difference between commentary teams; I see more difference in those producers who decide the look/form of their coverage. Ch.7 looks and sounds the way it does because the powers that be at Ch.7 want it to be an AFL version of Dancing with the Stars (replete with familiar faces, with the guests forming the coverage), and ditto Foxtel.

I agree on Chanel 7 and it really annoys me, we can all make our own judgements on the merits of each persons opinion, the fact they are commentating should not automatically make their opinion incorrect.

Brown and Dunstal last night highlighted and echoed the sentiment being expressed here all year, so many agree with other posters here but seem to get upset when a commentator or better yet a great of AFL highlights the same thing.

Dunstal and Brown were successful forwards and I have heard Dunstal enough to know that he is a fan of the Blues, when these two guys talk about our forward leading in to congestion and being critical of our ball movement, I listen, because it’s what I see, it’s what the stats show and it’s an area they are both experts in.

It amazes me watching Chanel 7 that there is blatant u pairing errors or mistakes but it seems to be ignored, like the team aren’t allowed to be critical in anyway.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Reckon we traded Krueger to Geelong for unders just to conceal how much we were paying for McGovern too?

No. McAdam was the standout mature age recruit at the time.

“The Crows will therefore receive pick numbers 13 and 23-year-old McAdam, who starred in the SANFL this year and was on the radar of many clubs, some of which rated him inside the top 20 in the draft.”

This statement has been acknowledged and backed up by strong connections in industry to me personally. As such, I'm confident in standing by this statement.

Source: https://www.fiveaa.com.au/sport/adelaide-s-deal-to-trade-mitch-mcgovern-to-carlton-is-done/

I appreciate you want to debate such matters and you're entitled to make statements and have your opinion, but it's quite clear you don't have knowledge on the background or context of some of these trades.

I'm not going to be replying to such statements as the above anymore.

 

[Gethelred]

I agree on Chanel 7 and it really annoys me, we can all make our own judgements on the merits of each persons opinion, the fact they are commentating should not automatically make their opinion incorrect.

Absolutely correct. My problem was with the appeal to authority and citing the commentators as authorities.

I'd be very interested to have a beer with any of Dunstal, Hodge or Brereton, and get their actual opinions when they're not actively being paid to have an opinion. To a certain extent, they have to be able to believe at least some of what they're saying (you simply cannot talk for as long as they do about something without sharing a part of yourself) but they are paid essentially to overreact, to aggressively like/dislike something they see in the game, and to be a little hypocritical.

Because of this, I find their opinions suspect.

Brown and Dunstal last night highlighted and echoed the sentiment being expressed here all year, so many agree with other posters here but seem to get upset when a commentator or better yet a great of AFL highlights the same thing.

Dunstal and Brown were successful forwards and I have heard Dunstal enough to know that he is a fan of the Blues, when these two guys talk about our forward leading in to congestion and being critical of our ball movement, I listen, because it’s what I see, it’s what the stats show and it’s an area they are both experts in.

It amazes me watching Chanel 7 that there is blatant u pairing errors or mistakes but it seems to be ignored, like the team aren’t allowed to be critical in anyway.

The thing that completely bothers me is when they refuse to show a replay of any given free kick, and the commentary do not mention it. It's going to sound like a conspiracy theory, but I think they have someone in the box who reviews these things, and okays them before they show each piece of footage with an eye towards ensuring a) they don't get the AFL offside by showing something they wouldn't like, and b) ensuring that any given narrative can be sustained all coverage.

They want it to be reality television, because sport is the original reality television.

 

[Arr0w]

Still enjoying this fascination with Papley

Now we are leaning on, if Papley was in a better side, his output would be better. That can be true to some extent, but it is minimal and certainly doesn't change his value, which it seems has gone down to a more realistic value

Couple of weeks ago, Taberner and Dixon were averaging the same number of goals, yet, Dockers were averaging 11 less inside 50's

Does that mean Taberner would kick more goals in a better side and or is worth more than a Dixon? Clearly not

Reality is starting to kick in, Papley is worth +/- a mid first only

Interesting part, he still isn't the best valued and or most versatile small forward

 

[swuzzlebubble]

If you believed the commentary virtually every team that trailing is being restrained from playing their natural game and if they start to get going, it's because the shackles have been let off.

 

[JeSOS]

Not just footy wire, Sam Edmund also reckons so. Can't really find anything that tells you what his contract length is.

I thought we were just honoring his Crows contract?