Play Nice 2020 Non AFL Admin, Crowds, Ratings, Participation etc thread

Rob

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Meanwhile at Perth Glory.....


You couldn't make this shit up.

One thing is pretty clear - Sage is desperate to sell. Probably because he's running out of money and can't afford the annual losses.

One thing about no private ownership in the AFL is that it makes it a lot less interesting (off-field). But by gee, it brings with it a range of headaches that completely justify the AFL's stance on it. Between the Glory and Western United, it makes the A-League look like a complete joke.
 

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Meanwhile at Perth Glory.....


You couldn't make this shit up.

One thing is pretty clear - Sage is desperate to sell. Probably because he's running out of money and can't afford the annual losses.

One thing about no private ownership in the AFL is that it makes it a lot less interesting (off-field). But by gee, it brings with it a range of headaches that completely justify the AFL's stance on it. Between the Glory and Western United, it makes the A-League look like a complete joke.
I really enjoy this thread and, without posting much, take a keen interest. One of my mates works in sports business/operations and I was trying to explain the WU ownership mystery but couldn't get back far enough in the thread. Would one of you learned gentleman care to summarise it for a novice.
 

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I really enjoy this thread and, without posting much, take a keen interest. One of my mates works in sports business/operations and I was trying to explain the WU ownership mystery but couldn't get back far enough in the thread. Would one of you learned gentleman care to summarise it for a novice.
There is a good in-depth discussion in the 2019 thread from around page 76-77

link below for you

 

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Kwality

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I really enjoy this thread and, without posting much, take a keen interest. One of my mates works in sports business/operations and I was trying to explain the WU ownership mystery but couldn't get back far enough in the thread. Would one of you learned gentleman care to summarise it for a novice.
Google it then select news, bit easier.
 

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I really enjoy this thread and, without posting much, take a keen interest. One of my mates works in sports business/operations and I was trying to explain the WU ownership mystery but couldn't get back far enough in the thread. Would one of you learned gentleman care to summarise it for a novice.
Given it remains a mystery to this day, I'm not sure there's anything to explain.
 

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Perth Glory's London Football Exchange sale plan collapses

By Daile Cross and Gary Adshead

February 25, 2020 — 12.52pmSend via Email

Perth Glory owner Tony Sage has confirmed the potential sale of a majority stake in the club to the London Football Exchange will not be pursued.
On Thursday February 13, Mr Sage told Football Federation Australia he had received unsolicited interest from a potential buyer and would travel to London to work with his lawyers to organise a due diligence process.
"At no time did Tony Sage request FFA to review any application for sale," a statement from FFA read.
 

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D. Richards, from Technology website ChannelNews, claims unnamed sources from Optus have told him Optus will not be bidding for the RA Rights.

If true, RA faces a financial disaster- as Foxtel has formerly given a low offer, & since claimed it is vacating the broadcasting of Aust. RU .

How reliable is Richards' unnamed "Optus source"? Is Optus trying to white-ant RA's expectations for the Rights $?

The Optus source allegedly told Richards

"Rugby Union in Australia is on a death roll, attendance is down, few people are watching games, yet RA wants broadcasters to splash money...".




Viacom CBS, owners of Channel 10, reported a net loss of US $273m in the December quarter, with its shares dropping a massive 17%. Analysts state it can't compete with Netflix.

Can CBS afford to be generous in funding Channel 10?
 
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Our Game

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D. Richards, from Technology website ChannelNews, claims unnamed sources from Optus have told him Optus will not be bidding for the RA Rights.

If true, RA faces a financial disaster- since Foxtel has formerly given a low offer, & since claimed it is vacating the Aust. RU sphere.

How reliable is Richards' unnamed "Optus source"? Is Optus trying to white-ant RA's expectations for the Rights $?

The source allegedly told Richards

"Rugby Union in Australia is on a death roll, attendance is down, few people are watching games, yet RA wants broadcasters to splash money...".




Viacom CBS, owners of Channel 10, reported a net loss of US $273m in the December quarter, with its shares dropping a massive 17%. Analysts state it can't compete with Netflix.

Can CBS afford to be generous in funding Channel 10?
Interesting that CBS in the US is bleeding so much money. Not a good omen for Ch 10 here.
 
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Kwality

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Interesting the CBS is bleeding so much money Not a good omen for Ch 10.
Its FTA in Aus across the board & its weakening advertising revenue at the heart.

Nine to cut costs as profit slumps

Nine plans to cut costs by $100 million and has reported an improvement in its video streaming businesses.
Chief executive Hugh Marks announced on Wednesday Nine would target the removal of up to $100 million in annualised free-to-air costs over the next three years.
These cuts would focus on international content including one-off sporting events such as the Ashes and Cricket World Cup.
He said these were "costs that will not inhibit our ability to continue to invest in the


Nine Entertainment has flagged cost cuts to its free-to-air businesses after a sharp drop in half year profit amid amid a weaker advertising market.

Seven
Seven West Media reports a loss after income tax of $444.4 million on total revenue of $1,557.6 million. Underlying net profit after tax was $129.3 million, down 7.9 per cent on the previous year
 
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Kwality

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If anyone wants any evidence as to why the commercial FTAs spend big money to tie up the major sports, this is it.
Chief executive Hugh Marks announced on Wednesday Nine would target the removal of up to $100 million in annualised free-to-air costs over the next three years.
These cuts would focus on international content including one-off sporting events such as the Ashes and Cricket World Cup.
He said these were "costs that will not inhibit our ability to continue to invest in the growth opportunities around premium revenue and digital video."
 

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Chief executive Hugh Marks announced on Wednesday Nine would target the removal of up to $100 million in annualised free-to-air costs over the next three years.
These cuts would focus on international content including one-off sporting events such as the Ashes and Cricket World Cup.
He said these were "costs that will not inhibit our ability to continue to invest in the growth opportunities around premium revenue and digital video."
of course you would cut it from one-off events, makes sense, the point is that NRL and AFL aren't one-off events
 

Kwality

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So this year will be getting more information and detail when it comes to TV viewership. VOZ will now be detailing regional ratings along with new reporting data when it comes to different platforms and devices. This new reporting will look to give a true national view of how content is consumed and its reach.

IF the data is public.
Interesting (to me) comments on VOZ by Nine el supremo in the context of their 2019 results:

Marks spent time championing the launch of VOZ, the new measurement system which was planned to launch early 2020 and will now arrive in April. The VOZ system will consider both linear broadcast views but also BVOD, which Marks claims will return viewer figures to the TV audience figures of 10 years ago.
 

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Kwality

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More on VOZ:
“VOZ is here to reveal the Total TV picture, providing an objective, transparent and standard metric to evaluate TV performance across all screens and platforms, and reinforcing that television remains the most effective way to connect audiences at scale.”
Today, OzTAM, Regional TAM and Nielsen released “top-line findings” from the new VOZ database, noting that 85% of Australians watch broadcast TV weekly and nearly a quarter watch BVOD. The BVOD audience, it said, has a median age 15 years below that of linear TV – 40 for BVOD and 55 for linear television. And only 4.2% of people watch BVOD exclusively on a weekly basis – that is, no linear TV at all.
Regional Australia accounts for 30% of Total TV connected viewing.

tv-industry-begins-push-for-new-ratings-system-voz-618921

Cant help myself, no apology, when regional Aus accounts for 30% of Total TV connected viewing why do the code warriors continue with the 5 capital city numbers - thats a rhetorical dorothy dixer ...
 

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The VOZ system will consider both linear broadcast views but also BVOD, which Marks claims will return viewer figures to the TV audience figures of 10 years ago.
This is claiming that the current TV reporting systems are underestimating the nos. The AFL & NRL (& advertisers) would be happy if future official ratings show the more correct, higher figures (re future value of Rights $).
 

jatz14

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More on VOZ:
“VOZ is here to reveal the Total TV picture, providing an objective, transparent and standard metric to evaluate TV performance across all screens and platforms, and reinforcing that television remains the most effective way to connect audiences at scale.”
Today, OzTAM, Regional TAM and Nielsen released “top-line findings” from the new VOZ database, noting that 85% of Australians watch broadcast TV weekly and nearly a quarter watch BVOD. The BVOD audience, it said, has a median age 15 years below that of linear TV – 40 for BVOD and 55 for linear television. And only 4.2% of people watch BVOD exclusively on a weekly basis – that is, no linear TV at all.
Regional Australia accounts for 30% of Total TV connected viewing.

tv-industry-begins-push-for-new-ratings-system-voz-618921

Cant help myself, no apology, when regional Aus accounts for 30% of Total TV connected viewing why do the code warriors continue with the 5 capital city numbers - thats a rhetorical dorothy dixer ...
1. Capital city numbers are the most readily available and reliable. Some regionals aren't counted or double counted.
2. Value is in the city markets. If you drop viewers in the city and pick them up in the regions, your product becomes less valuable.
3. It's what the industry itself concentrates on the most.

On moto g(6) plus using BigFooty.com mobile app
 

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1. Capital city numbers are the most readily available and reliable. Some regionals aren't counted or double counted.
2. Value is in the city markets. If you drop viewers in the city and pick them up in the regions, your product becomes less valuable.
3. It's what the industry itself concentrates on the most.

On moto g(6) plus using BigFooty.com mobile app
4. these points must have been made to Kwality many many times to no avail.....
 

Kwality

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1. Capital city numbers are the most readily available and reliable. Some regionals aren't counted or double counted.
2. Value is in the city markets. If you drop viewers in the city and pick them up in the regions, your product becomes less valuable.
3. It's what the industry itself concentrates on the most.

On moto g(6) plus using BigFooty.com mobile app
That its true in WA doesnt make it true nationally, just like advertising rates.
 

NoobPie

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As it represents 70% of the market ... & understates the NRL numbers as much needed by the AFL cheerleader set.
1. Capital city numbers are the most readily available and reliable. Some regionals aren't counted or double counted.
2. Value is in the city markets. If you drop viewers in the city and pick them up in the regions, your product becomes less valuable.
3. It's what the industry itself concentrates on the most
 

Kwality

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1. Capital city numbers are the most readily available and reliable. Some regionals aren't counted or double counted.
2. Value is in the city markets. If you drop viewers in the city and pick them up in the regions, your product becomes less valuable.
3. It's what the industry itself concentrates on the most
VOZ will address your concerns ....
 

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