Play Nice 2020 Non AFL Admin, Crowds, Ratings, Participation etc thread

[BringBackTorps]

AFL thinking is if it didnt happen behind the Brisbane Line it didnt happen.[? But Sydney & Brisbane are behind/part of the Brisbane line]

There were (& still are today, of course) many individuals & organisations which considered Australian nationalism to be very important, from the late 19th century eg many sections of the ALP & union movement.

Some of these organisations promoted AF as an embodiment of Australian nationalism (without necessarily advocating for a republic, or downgrading relations with Britain) eg The Young Australia League.

Young Australia League - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[TWLS]

Yesterday was the 100th anniversary of "Bloody Sunday", inside the GAA's Croke Park stadium in Dublin.

The British Army (including an armoured vehicle, that machine-gunned the crowd) & police attacked the crowd watching a Gaelic Football match.
Earlier on the same day, the IRA executed a total of 14 British Army officers & Irish civilians it claimed were spies.

The 90 seconds that turned a football match into a massacre

One hundred years ago, 14 people attending a Gaelic football game in Dublin were killed when British forces opened fire. The events left an indelible impression on Irish sport.

www.abc.net.au

The GAA (Gaelic Athletic Association) places a heavy emphasis on Irish nationalism & pride in promoting GAA sports, particularly Gaelic Football & Hurling (like hockey, but includes spectacular catching the ball also).
It is interesting that the AFL, State AF, & GR AF organisations, whilst they occasionally expound Australian nationalism & pride in promoting AF, place far much less emphasis on these sentiments than the GAA & Irish organisations (where they are a constant feature).

Up until c. 1970 in the sthn. states, some non-Catholic & Catholic schools had a few teachers who sometimes referred to RU, RL, & soccer as "the English Games"; or "the foreign games" (but the latter continued longer).

When the IRA began its armed campaign in Northern Ireland after 1970, it is my understanding the Catholic Church unofficially adopted a much lower profile in its traditional support of a United Ireland. IMO, it did not want to be "tarnished" with the IRA's activities. Similarly, the "Micks vs Proddies" comments, re interschool AF matches etc., ceased to be mentioned after 1970.

Many sport historians in Australia have been puzzled why Catholic schools in NSW & Qld. did not (from the late 19th century) fevently support AF- unlike their counterparts in Vic., WA, SA, & Tas. Virtually all Irish Catholics then also passionately desired a united, independent Ireland.

The last paragraph raises a very good question. As a resident of the outer reaches of the AFL empire i will venture the following reasons.
The NSW Rugby Union was very effective later in the Senior Schools when NZRU came on board and started tours to NSW and QLD. Rugby always realised the importance of International Tours. The Kiwis had a big influence in that era of the Rugby game in those 2 states.
There was a crucial gap of several years in the late 1890`s in Sydney when there was NO Senior AR comp at all - The VFL went back in 1903 and it restarted the game and had immediate success in the schools and had some 60 schools signed up by 1905.
Riverview Catholic College was the only major Catholic one who dabbled in the game prior to 1903.

 

[BringBackTorps]

The NSW Rugby Union was very effective later in the Senior Schools when NZRU came on board and started tours to NSW and QLD. Rugby always realised the importance of International Tours. The Kiwis had a big influence in that era of the Rugby game in those 2 states.
There was a crucial gap of several years in the late 1890`s in Sydney when there was NO Senior AR comp at all - The VFL went back in 1903 and it restarted the game and had immediate success in the schools and had some 60 [?] schools signed up by 1905.
Riverview Catholic College was the only[why?] major Catholic one who dabbled in the game prior to 1903.

1. I am aware of all this- but it still doesn't explain why post 1880 Catholic schools (which were, then, synonomous with Irish Catholics /Irish expats) in NSW & Qld. supported RU (& later RL). Their counterparts in Vic., WA, SA, & Tas. preferred, & strongly supported, "the Australian game"- & opposed "the English games" of RU, RL, & soccer.

Catholics in NSW & Qld., from 1880 (& before) were continuously & overwhelmingly in favour of an independent Ireland! They regularly & overtly displayed Irish nationalism.

Why didn't other Sydney/Brisbane etc. Catholic schools follow St Ignatious Riverview in the 1880's & 90's, & promote AF- & not let it die in 1895?

Can you provide more detail of who/how/what, from 1903, the NSWAFL "had some 60 schools signed up by 1905"? Links?


2. Horatio Wills (born in NSW, the son of a convict) was Tom Wills' father. H. Wills started his own newspaper, "The Currency Lad", promoting the rights of persons born in Australia.

In 1832, in his newspaper, he was also the first Australian, of a non-Catholic background, to publish & agitate for an Australia that was fully independent of Britain, & quasi republic. Laws of sedition then made this a risky activity.

Horatio Wills - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[NoobPie]

& the reason you dont do it yourself?

I have received a similar clip from the good man for much the same reason.

Why don't I capture ratings data all year, including requesting it when it is not publicly released, and curate a database / analysis spreadsheet so that I can report ratings analysis?

Because the Wookie is already doing it.

I think you can be grateful for his efforts without being dismissed with "go and do it yourself" if you disagree with him

 

[Kwality]

Why don't I capture ratings data all year, including requesting it when it is not publicly released, and curate a database / analysis spreadsheet so that I can report ratings analysis?

Because the Wookie is already doing it.

I think you can be grateful for his efforts without being dismissed with "go and do it yourself" if you disagree with him

Your post came across as entitled & was dismissed.

 

[TWLS]

1. I am aware of all this- but it still doesn't explain why post 1880 Catholic schools (which were, then, synonomous with Irish Catholics /Irish expats) in NSW & Qld. supported RU (& later RL). Their counterparts in Vic., WA, SA, & Tas. preferred, & strongly supported, "the Australian game"- & opposed "the English games" of RU, RL, & soccer.

Catholics in NSW & Qld., from 1880 (& before) were continuously & overwhelmingly in favour of an independent Ireland! They regularly & overtly displayed Irish nationalism.

Why didn't other Sydney/Brisbane etc. Catholic schools follow St Ignatious Riverview in the 1880's & 90's, & promote AF- & not let it die in 1895?

Can you provide more detail of who/how/what, from 1903, the NSWAFL "had some 60 schools signed up by 1905"? Links?


2. Horatio Wills (born in NSW, the son of a convict) was Tom Wills' father. H. Wills started his own newspaper, "The Currency Lad", promoting the rights of persons born in Australia.

In 1832, in his newspaper, he was also the first Australian, of a non-Catholic background, to publish & agitate for an Australia that was fully independent of Britain, & quasi republic. Laws of sedition then made this a risky activity.

Horatio Wills - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

REF your Item 1.
I think because Rugby did a better job at promotion and there has always been anti Victorian stuff going on in Sydney - It is very curious that Riverview only took the game up, and very very curious that they never really got other Catholic Schools seriously involved.
I say again that period in the late 1890s was crucial at that time of no senior AR comps. Just imagine no comp at all - So what do you think happened. Some players would have retired or drifted off to other sports such as RUGBY.

Re the no of schools in 1905 - I researched that stuff years ago - Will try and find it.
However having said all that - The potential was there because the 1903 return was successful for a while until the access to enclosed grounds raised its head again. Fast forward to 2020 - Ground shortages still.

 

[Pippen94]

Wanderers, Bulls derby at Bankwest to launch new A-League season

The A-League's newest club will meet their nearest rivals in the first game of the new season on December 27.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Aussie in exile]

Wanderers, Bulls derby at Bankwest to launch new A-League season

The A-League's newest club will meet their nearest rivals in the first game of the new season on December 27.

www.smh.com.au

Destined to fail

 

[Pippen94]

Destined to fail

You live in Western Sydney??

 

[Aussie in exile]

You live in Western Sydney??

No

 

[Kwality]

You live in Western Sydney??

Interesting choice of games given the location.
Got any comment on the Victory for the W-League game?

 

[Pippen94]

No

Thanks for your insights

 

[Aussie in exile]

Any decent young Aussie soccer players are snapped up by the European leagues
The one's playing in the A league are the ones that not even the smaller leagues in Europe would want.
If the best players from the English 4th tier played the best players from the A league it would be a very comfortable victory for the poms.
Reality is a terrible thing for some people

 

[BobbyMorri]

Any decent young Aussie soccer players are snapped up by the European leagues
The one's playing in the A league are the ones that not even the smaller leagues in Europe would want.
If the best players from the English 4th tier played the best players from the A league it would be a very comfortable victory for the poms.
Reality is a terrible thing for some people

as someone who follows an English league 2 team, I think you are overestimating the talent down there in that league. Or maybe it is just my team.

 

[Rob]

162k 5 city for the WBBL semi final last night. 3rd best rating program on the multichannels.

What do we reckon? I think that's pretty good, but I don't know how it compares to past years.

 

[Teen Wolf]

162k 5 city for the WBBL semi final last night. 3rd best rating program on the multichannels.

What do we reckon? I think that's pretty good, but I don't know how it compares to past years.

Hard to compare it to past years as they've never had televised free-to-air mid-week prime time games before. It's the best metro FTA numbers for a SF that they've ever got (easily in most cases), though it didn't rate as high on Fox as 2018/19's Saturday arvo thriller.

They ditched Friday nights this season because everybody was disappointed with how it rated last year. Overall the second season in the standalone spring slot appears to have experienced some growth, however I'm not sure it'll be enough to persuade any scheduling changes for 2021.

 

[Gigantor]

Around expectation, maybe a little bit under.

 

[BringBackTorps]

Gold Coast Titans' Assistant Coach M. Gordon has been arrested & charged by police with major drug trafficking offences.

D. Wielder has claimed that former GC coach G. Brennan warned GC managers against hiring Gordon (& problems with some others in the GC Club), due to Gordon's influence & "cultural problems" (not specified)- but GC still decided to hire Gordon.
Wielder also states that GC management are not being open with the media, & avoiding it, on all the issues surrounding M. Gordon.

‘It’s bad’: ‘Weak’ Titans exposed by report

The Gold Coast Titans have been slammed for their handling of Michael Gordon’s arrest after throwing Justin Holbrook to the wolves, while senior club officials hid from the media.

www.news.com.au

There are current rape etc. trials occuring against current NRL players J. De Belin & T. Sailor- & former star J. Hayne.

Former Sth Sydney star S. Burgess is facing charges of physically assaulting his 7 month pregnant wife, & physically threatening her father- also misuse & deception re drug testing & medical scripts. Also, a South Sydney RL Club doctor illegally assisting conspiring to hide Burgess alleged use of illegal drugs.

None of the above have been found guilty.

Former Parramatta player A. Junior Paulo was sentenced to 17 years in jail in August for major drug dealing.

Whilst all sports (inc. the AFL) have occasional experience with players being investigated, charged or convicted of serious crimes, it appears to be much more common in the NRL.
Previously, sponsors have cancelled their funding, aware that the NRL is facing severe reputational damage.

 

[madmug]

Any decent young Aussie soccer players are snapped up by the European leagues
The one's playing in the A league are the ones that not even the smaller leagues in Europe would want.
If the best players from the English 4th tier played the best players from the A league it would be a very comfortable victory for the poms.
Reality is a terrible thing for some people

Its a tough ask. The best go & try out in Europe. Others go into Asia.

Its a hard sell to a public which sees the best of RU, RL & the AFL, our own professional game.

 

[Kwality]

Its a tough ask. The best go & try out in Europe. Others go into Asia.

Its a hard sell to a public which sees the best of RU, RL & the AFL, our own professional game.

Union? The Giteau Law !


Towering second-rower Rory Arnold is at the top of Dave Rennie's hit list to recall for Wallabies duty this year under significant changes to the Giteau Law.
Also on his radar is centre Samu Kerevi and hooker Tolu Latu, after Rugby Australia on Thursday announced revisions that could open the door for a number of high-profile players plying their trade overseas.

For 2020 only, Rennie will be allowed to select two players who have not met the 60-Test or seven-year service threshold that has been in place since 2015. But the coach's calls must be flagged with Super Rugby franchises and require RA board sign-off to ensure those already in Australia are getting a fair go.

Australia's Rory Arnold, left, leaps above Wales' Justin Tipuric to win a lineout at last year's Rugby World Cup. CREDIT:AP
The players can only be selected during World Rugby international windows, which this year falls during the Rugby Championship pencilled in for November and December.
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It is hoped a SANZAAR meeting overnight will provide greater clarity on the Test schedule for the rest of the year and a venue - either in Australia or New Zealand - for the Rugby Championship.
The only other way a player could become available outside the window - say, for potential Bledisloe Cup matches this October - is through a prior agreement struck between the player, his overseas club and RA.
The two-man rule applies for an entire Wallabies squad, not a matchday 23.

While Rennie is yet to make a call on who he would like, Arnold, Kerevi and Latu have been touted as frontrunners on a wish list also featuring the likes of Will Skelton, Izack Rodda, Sean McMahon, Liam Gill, Scott Fardy, Taqele Naiyaravoro and Adam Coleman, among many others.
Australia's second-row stocks have been depleted and it's a department Rennie is keen to beef up potentially with Arnold, a starting Wallabies second-rower last year who has since moved to France
It will be interesting to see whether Rennie decides to bring back another second-rower in the mould of Skelton or Rodda (both in France) or plug a hole in a key position such as No.12 or hooker.
Kerevi, who flew back to Japan on Thursday after spending the past few months in Australia, had been one of the Wallabies' best in recent years but until now had been ineligible, having played only 33 Tests.
Rennie must determine whether he sees more value in Kerevi's damaging runs, as seen in last year's Bledisloe fixture in Perth, or Latu, one of Australia’s best at the World Cup, given Super Rugby candidates are not banging the door down.
Whichever way Rennie goes, he will have to mount a case and secure approval from higher up as he begins the job of helping the Wallabies improve their underwhelming world No.7 world ranking.

An RA statement said: "The process includes a consultation phase between Wallabies selectors [Rennie and director of rugby Scott Johnson], the Australian Super Rugby sides and Rugby Australia’s governance and policy subcommittee, which consists of Rugby Australia board directors Daniel Herbert, Phil Waugh and Hayden Rorke. Endorsement from the full Rugby Australia board will then be required to proceed with the recommendation."
The same approval process will apply to players returning from overseas who make a two-year commitment to Australian rugby, in the same way Brumbies halfback Nic White did before the World Cup while still at Exeter.
Rennie can still pull players from abroad with more than 60 Tests to their name, such as Kurtley Beale or Bernard Foley, but that appears unlikely as the Kiwi prepares to name his first Wallabies squad on Sunday following the Queensland Reds and Melbourne Rebels qualifying final a day earlier at Suncorp Stadium.

 

[RedV3x]

Union?

Such in depth discussion would be more apt in the RU section don't you think?

 

[Kwality]

Such in depth discussion would be more apt in the RU section don't you think?

Perhaps, just never been there so it didnt even cross my mind.

Aus soccer & Union share these problems unlike League or Aussie Rules.

 

[BringBackTorps]

1. Wow!

Bosnar blasts the state of Australian football: ‘We’re going backwards’

Eddy Bosnar has launched a stunning serve on the A-League, Australian football and youth development down under, stating our system is ‘f*#&ed’ and that we are falling behind.

theworldgame.sbs.com.au

2. More Wow!

Super Netball in major financial crises, NA CEO resigns, & Super Netball CEO also resigns etc.


All the 8 Clubs are each losing between $500k- $1m pa, with GR netball clubs (through player fees) having to fund some of the losses.
The commercial returns have been very disappointing, "...in an increasingly competitive women's sporting landscape".



(Scroll to 28.11- then click again on "The Australian. Super Netball At The Crossroads")

 

[Kwality]

Wow!

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

Footy related:
'Any pitch to private equity could be complicated by Collingwood’s calamitous entry into netball. The financial losses suffered by the Magpies are among the highest in the league, and the team has constantly struggled for success on the court despite a cavalcade of high-profile signings.'

 

[Rob]

Footy related:
'Any pitch to private equity could be complicated by Collingwood’s calamitous entry into netball. The financial losses suffered by the Magpies are among the highest in the league, and the team has constantly struggled for success on the court despite a cavalcade of high-profile signings.'

Surely the Collingwood (and Giants) entry into netball was more about goodwill than making money.

But by gee, there's been some disasters when AFL clubs have attempted to diversify into other sports. Even e-sports with Essendon cutting their losses earlier this year.