Play Nice 2020 Non AFL Admin, Crowds, Ratings, Participation etc thread

[Teen Wolf]

So by your own statement, a standalone Irish AFLW team would have been possible IF DESIRED.
Plenty of people with an interest in Australian Football overseas have contemplated this suggestion.
You and especially you cannot deny this simple fact. Maybe I should refer to you as Trump.

A men's Irish team would also be possible if desired ffs. Neither would be competitive right now, that's the key point, so knock it off.

I'm sorry too that you keep posting irrelevant cryptic stuff.
Women played Australian Football a very long time ago but the AFLW started in 2017

It shouldn't be hard to figure out AFLW players played junior football (before 2017 in a lot of cases). Therefore they come from football backgrounds.

So what AFL players would have won gold, starred in cricket, starred in rugby, become tennis professionals or golf professionals?

The issue is far more sophisticated than that, and it's clearly too difficult for you to understand.

I know I play soccer and was good at it except when it came to the skill of dribbling.
You keep overlooking one fundamental elite sportsmen need exceptional athleticism AND exceptional skill (in that sport)
AFL players are good at other sports but don't have the refined skill to move across into another elite sport.

Skills are learnt and developed. AFL players didn't suddenly wake up one day and find out they could kick checksides from the boundary, either.

 

[Kwality]

No they aren't (aside from the Irish contingent which also happens in the men's competition), they come from a multi-sport background, with football being one of the sports. We are just hearing about them choosing AFLW now because that option previously didn't exist.

You think somebody like an Erin Phillips is able to cross over from basketball and succeed in football because of some lazy misguided view about the skill level of AFLW... when in reality it's because she's a talented athlete who would have never stopped playing football if there was a professional women's league for the sport 20 years ago.

It's exactly the same on the men's side. If the AFL became an amateur league, would-be professional footballers are just going to focus more on other sports and the performance of our national cricket, soccer, basketball etc teams will improve dramatically as a result.

Was Phillips last contract in basketball $US375k - be a while 'til the AFLW is up there financially.
How many Olympics has she represented her country in?

 

[Kwality]

An alternative to what eaxctly?

The old one, cricket or footy? Imagine Brad Shepherd & Mitch Marsh comparing notes at the end of their careers.

Marsh with his IPL money or Shep with his AFL earnings, then crowds, international exposure.

 

[Kwality]

this ought to be an entertaining phase of australian soccer.

The A-League club owners did not have to wait long to have to put their money where their mouth is:

Former NRL boss Shane Mattiske has been appointed executive chairman of the Newcastle Jets, after Martin Lee was stripped of the A-League club’s licence.
Mattiske was given the job by a consortium of A-League club investors, who have taken control of the embattled club following Lee’s departure.

Football Australia and Australian Professional Leagues on Monday announced the immediate termination of the A-League and W-League licences held by Lee in the name of Newcastle Jets Club Pty Ltd, for breaching the club’s participation agreement.

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

 

[Teen Wolf]

Was Phillips last contract in basketball $US375k

No, though it's besides the point (and I'm only answering that question so others don't get the wrong idea).

$US375k - be a while 'til the AFLW is up there financially.

We've already gone through the "more money to be made if you actually crack it as a top international soccer/tennis/basketball/cricket player" checkpoint, mate. And the "more money to be made as the 200th best footballer than the 200th best cricketer in the country" point has been covered too.

How many Olympics has she represented her country in?

An old chestnut, as seen in the recent Hockeyroos shitfight. That's the great thing about domestic sport: if you hate your teammates/coach/club, you can just go across the street and play with another mob.

 

[NoobPie]

The argument was about women coming from other sports. Many of those women had a background in Footy, because female footy predates the AFLW by decades.

For some reason, the AFL and media like to talk up cross code converts, and talk up that player X crossed from basketball, or netball, or soccer etc.

What is lacking is that many of these players also had a background in Footy, so can you be a cross code convert to a sport you already played?

Examples,

Phillips was very good at footy before she ever started playing basketball.
Brazil the netball convert had already won a rising star award in WA prior to the AFLW. Conway from Brisbane, the state junior hockey "convert" was also playing state junior footy for Qld.

Molloy didn't play organised footy, but played a lot of "unorganised" footy. When she switched, she was one of the most skilled female juniors immediately. Not just because of natural talent, but because of her history with the sport.

There are actually not many successfull genuine cross code converts. And tellingly, most of them are tall. There just are not that many tall athletic women.



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Brazill played junior footy until she was 14 apparently

 

[NoobPie]

No, though it's besides the point (and I'm only answering that question so others don't get the wrong idea).

We've already gone through the "more money to be made if you actually crack it as a top international soccer/tennis/basketball/cricket player" checkpoint, mate. And the "more money to be made as the 200th best footballer than the 200th best cricketer in the country" point has been covered too.

An old chestnut, as seen in the recent Hockeyroos shitfight. That's the great thing about domestic sport: if you hate your teammates/coach/club, you can just go across the street and play with another mob.

You are playing chess with a pigeon whilst argueing with an idiot!

 

[Kwality]

No, though it's besides the point (and I'm only answering that question so others don't get the wrong idea).

We've already gone through the "more money to be made if you actually crack it as a top international soccer/tennis/basketball/cricket player" checkpoint, mate. And the "more money to be made as the 200th best footballer than the 200th best cricketer in the country" point has been covered too.

An old chestnut, as seen in the recent Hockeyroos shitfight. That's the great thing about domestic sport: if you hate your teammates/coach/club, you can just go across the street and play with another mob.

Issues faced by Phillips.
As for the domestic comp, there is no reason to leave the bush.

 

[RedV3x]

For some reason, the AFL and media like to talk up cross code converts, and talk up that player X crossed from basketball, or netball, or soccer etc.

I don't know about any player "x" (strange that the name is not capitalised) but yes, the AFL and media like to talk up cross code converts
and haven't there been many. A cross-code convert is someone coming from another code - simple.

 

[RedV3x]

A men's Irish team would also be possible if desired

Thankyou for agreeing.

It shouldn't be hard to figure out AFLW players played junior football

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Well skip to it then.

The issue is far more sophisticated than that,

Well come on. Tell us what AFL players would be what.

Skills are learnt and developed.

Thankyou for agreeing that AFL couldn't simply jump camp.

 

[Kwality]

Interesting article explaining the position of player transfers in Australian soccer/ A-League:

“In 2019, FIFA reported that Australia received just US$1.9 million (A$2.4 million) in transfer receipts from a market currently valued at US$7.35 billion (A$9.43 billion) for men alone.
“This low figure received by Australian clubs is in stark contrast to many nations of a similar or lower international ranking than our national teams, and to many countries with significantly smaller populations than Australia.
“It also highlights that Australian clubs, from the professional right down to the grassroots, are missing out on vital funds that could be used to underpin and enhance the sport.
“We believe that the implementation of a fit-for-purpose system will have transformational benefits for football in Australia and particularly our professional and grassroots clubs by reconnecting the game and stimulating growth.”


Then the players point of view:

“The PFA’s research illustrates that the contracting practices in Australia, which result in more than two thirds of A-League and nearly all W-League players coming off contract each season, will continue to undermine even the most sophisticated transfer system policy, causing its stated objectives to serve merely as a mirage,” Busch said.

“This extreme churn is the direct result of the salary cap which continues to undermine the ability of the game to build value in players and clubs.

“As such, the domestic transfer system and salary cap are incompatible, and their combination would see a tax placed on players’ employment, whilst the cap would continue to restrict player earnings, undermining our ability to attract, retain and develop the players we need to be internationally competitive.”

Transfer system a step closer

Professional Footballers Australia claim a domestic transfer system won’t work while the A-League remains a salary-cap restricted competition.

www.news.com.au

However PFA co-chief executive Beau Busch warned against imposing “any restriction on the freedom of players to move or contract with the club of their choice|” without players agreeing to it.
“The PFA’s research illustrates that the contracting practices in Australia, which result in more than two thirds of A-League and nearly all W-League players coming off contract each season, will continue to undermine even the most sophisticated transfer system policy, causing its stated objectives to serve merely as a mirage,” Busch said.
“This extreme churn is the direct result of the salary cap which continues to undermine the ability of the game to build value in players and clubs.
“As such, the domestic transfer system and salary cap are incompatible, and their combination would see a tax placed on players’ employment, whilst the cap would continue to restrict player earnings, undermining our ability to attract, retain and develop the players we need to be internationally competitive.”
Elements identified by the white paper to ensure a “properly functioning transfer system” include administration of transfers, loans, player eligibility rules, registration windows, transfer fees and dispute resolution.

 

[Kwality]

BASEBALL:
Liam Hendriks is set for a whopping payday with the Australian pitcher reportedly agreeing terms with the Chicago White Sox worth a guaranteed $54 million ($A70m).

According to multiple US outlets, the closer will join the White Sox on a three-year contract with a fourth-year option.

 

[Rob]

BASEBALL:
Liam Hendriks is set for a whopping payday with the Australian pitcher reportedly agreeing terms with the Chicago White Sox worth a guaranteed $54 million ($A70m).

According to multiple US outlets, the closer will join the White Sox on a three-year contract with a fourth-year option.

The richest Australian sportsperson nobody has heard of.

 

[Kwality]

The richest Australian sportsperson nobody has heard of.

Doesnt seem to be the sort of person who might want to be recognised.
Sure cant make that sort of coin in Aus - Ricciardo in motor sport at the top level.

His father Geoff was a prodigy, playing in a flag at 16 for West Perth.
Played over 150 games of senior football for the West Perth Football Club in the West Australian Football League (WAFL). Under the father–son rule used by the Australian Football League (AFL) at the time, Liam was eligible to be drafted by the West Coast Eagles had he decided to pursue a career in football. However, he decided to pursue baseball and was signed by the Minnesota Twins on his eighteenth birthday.

Liam Hendriks - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Kwality]

Union the first of the local sports to a deal with charter flights:

The Queensland Reds have become Australia’s first sporting team with their own jet at their disposal after signing a lucrative sponsorship with Alliance Aviation.
The cash and support deal will include charter flights for the Reds to rugby games and festivals within Australia and New Zealand, giving them a huge advantage over their rivals relying on commercial flights.

The deal comes as most airlines tear up sponsorships, due to the financial strain of the COVID crisis, with Qantas last year ending its 20-year tie-up with the Wallabies.

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

 

[Gigantor]

Looks like a pretty good deal for the Reds in present circumstances.

 

[Kwality]

Looks like a pretty good deal for the Reds in present circumstances.

More about share price?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

NRL players accept 2021 cut to salary cap

NRL players have agreed to take a pay cut with the salary cap reduced by 6 per cent as the game deals with the financial implications of the COVID-19 pandemic.

7news.com.au

The NRL's salary cap will be reduced to $9.02 million in 2021 after players agreed to a 6 per cent pay cut for the next two seasons.

The Rugby League Players Association and NRL finally ended six months of negotiations on Tuesday, as part of the game's long-term response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

The key part of the deal will see the cap drop from $9.6 million to $9.024 million for 2021, and then from $9.7 million to $9.11 million for next year.

That is seen as a win for the players, with a 10 per cent drop at one point mooted early in the negotiations.

 

[Gigantor]

It seems like a very, very long time since an A-League game managed to crack the Fox top 20.
In fact, has it happened this season?
Traditionally, the opening rounds of the A-League are their strongest ratings games.
If they can't crack the top 20 now, they ain't ever going to crack the top 20.
They are mid-week games too.
Monday night the cut-off was Escape to the Chateau with 24k.
Last night the cut-off was Border Security: America's Front line with 26k.
When shows like that are keeping you out of the top 20 on a week night, well, seriously, you may as well pack it in.
These sorts of shows are probably costing Foxtel ten cents to show.
Why spend $30 mill per annum on the A-League?

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Redirect Notice

www.google.com.au

Huge numbers but I don’t understand how they get the 371,000 average over 100 hours on subscription TV. Is that including Kayo?

I wonder if cricket is the most watched TV sport in the country in terms of hours watched?

 

[Kwality]

It seems like a very, very long time since an A-League game managed to crack the Fox top 20.
In fact, has it happened this season?
Traditionally, the opening rounds of the A-League are their strongest ratings games.
If they can't crack the top 20 now, they ain't ever going to crack the top 20.
They are mid-week games too.
Monday night the cut-off was Escape to the Chateau with 24k.
Last night the cut-off was Border Security: America's Front line with 26k.
When shows like that are keeping you out of the top 20 on a week night, well, seriously, you may as well pack it in.
These sorts of shows are probably costing Foxtel ten cents to show.
Why spend $30 mill per annum on the A-League?

Maybe the subscription numbers, the advertising, the viewing patterns .... Fox have the data unlike FTA.

 

[jatz14]

It seems like a very, very long time since an A-League game managed to crack the Fox top 20.
In fact, has it happened this season?
Traditionally, the opening rounds of the A-League are their strongest ratings games.
If they can't crack the top 20 now, they ain't ever going to crack the top 20.
They are mid-week games too.
Monday night the cut-off was Escape to the Chateau with 24k.
Last night the cut-off was Border Security: America's Front line with 26k.
When shows like that are keeping you out of the top 20 on a week night, well, seriously, you may as well pack it in.
These sorts of shows are probably costing Foxtel ten cents to show.
Why spend $30 mill per annum on the A-League?

There is a key difference between sport, and those other programs.

Some people's subscriptions to Fox will be driven by a single sport. Lose the sport, you lose the subscription. This isn't true of Border Force.

So, they are willing to pay more for sport than a reality tv program or drama pulling similar numbers.

There are limits though, and A league must be close to them.

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[Rob]

There is a key difference between sport, and those other programs.

Some people's subscriptions to Fox will be driven by a single sport. Lose the sport, you lose the subscription. This isn't true of Border Force.

So, they are willing to pay more for sport than a reality tv program or drama pulling similar numbers.

There are limits though, and A league must be close to them.

Yeah, no one is subscribing to Foxtel for Border Security, whereas there would be people that would do so for the A-League. Pay TV isn't about raw viewer numbers like FTA TV is.

 

[Kwality]

Couple of A-League clubs in the esports space:

The partnership struck between A-League clubs and Epic Games virtual gaming platform, Fortnite, will put Australia’s football league on fresh footing against international clubs while opening the door to new opportunities to engage consumers, its orchestrators say.

This week, three A-League teams – Melbourne City FC, Sydney FC and Western Sydney Wanderers – joined more than 20 other top global clubs within the Fortnite game offering in-game club outfits to players. There are 10 variants of the new ‘Kickoff Set’ outfits available to Fortnite players, with each outfit able to be swapped to any of the 23 football clubs participating.

A-League clubs tap into growing esports trend with fresh consumer engagement play

The partnership struck between A-League clubs and Epic Games virtual gaming platform, Fortnite, will put Australia’s football league on fresh footing against international clubs while opening the door to new opportunities to engage consumers, its orchestrators say.

www.cmo.com.au

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Couple of A-League clubs in the esports space:

The partnership struck between A-League clubs and Epic Games virtual gaming platform, Fortnite, will put Australia’s football league on fresh footing against international clubs while opening the door to new opportunities to engage consumers, its orchestrators say.

This week, three A-League teams – Melbourne City FC, Sydney FC and Western Sydney Wanderers – joined more than 20 other top global clubs within the Fortnite game offering in-game club outfits to players. There are 10 variants of the new ‘Kickoff Set’ outfits available to Fortnite players, with each outfit able to be swapped to any of the 23 football clubs participating.

A-League clubs tap into growing esports trend with fresh consumer engagement play

The partnership struck between A-League clubs and Epic Games virtual gaming platform, Fortnite, will put Australia’s football league on fresh footing against international clubs while opening the door to new opportunities to engage consumers, its orchestrators say.

www.cmo.com.au

Chinese investment into the A-League, finally.