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Scorpus showed the wins were against poor opposition, I'm merely stating our loss against Port showed how far we had fallen since the first time.
Staggering that they continued to dribble out the "we're still in the top 8" line for weeks after that.

That was some memorable head-in-the-sand stuff.
 

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I think his injury did affect us and if he stayed fit and had him and Greenwood in there all year we might have been able to sneak into 8 by playing the most turgid football imaginable. Would have gotten us nowhere once there though and losing them (much as loved Greenwood) is better to raise ceiling going forward.
 
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I think his injury did affect us and if he stayed fit and had him and Greenwood in there all year we might have been able to sneak into 8 by playing the most turgid football imaginable. Would have gotten us nowhere once there though and losing them (much as loved Greenwood) is better to raise ceiling going forward.
What needs to happen is Matt needs to go back to playing that role.

He did it in 2017 and was AA. A bloke with an identical skillset then won the Brownlow in 2018.

For some reason though, Matt reverted to playing the Gibbs role in 2019. Still got lots of disposals but his contested possessions, clearances, tackles - all the basic indicators of an inside mid, turned to shit. He shouldn't be playing that way, and his coaches should have called him out on it. We've got Smith, Seed, Milera, Atkins, Laird, etc who can rack up the uncontested ball.

Surprised more wasn't said about Matt's form this year. He's a much better player than what he dished up.
 

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What needs to happen is Matt needs to go back to playing that role.

He did it in 2017 and was AA. A bloke with an identical skillset then won the Brownlow in 2018.

For some reason though, Matt reverted to playing the Gibbs role in 2019. Still got lots of disposals but his contested possessions, clearances, tackles - all the basic indicators of an inside mid, turned to shit. He shouldn't be playing that way, and his coaches should have called him out on it. We've got Smith, Seed, Milera, Atkins, Laird, etc who can rack up the uncontested ball.

Surprised more wasn't said about Matt's form this year. He's a much better player than what he dished up.
Player or coaching?

Guess we will see now without cey and hugh
 

Jack McKraken

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What needs to happen is Matt needs to go back to playing that role.

He did it in 2017 and was AA. A bloke with an identical skillset then won the Brownlow in 2018.

For some reason though, Matt reverted to playing the Gibbs role in 2019. Still got lots of disposals but his contested possessions, clearances, tackles - all the basic indicators of an inside mid, turned to shit. He shouldn't be playing that way, and his coaches should have called him out on it. We've got Smith, Seed, Milera, Atkins, Laird, etc who can rack up the uncontested ball.

Surprised more wasn't said about Matt's form this year. He's a much better player than what he dished up.
One of the most frustrating things last year was seeing Matt continually on the end of our handball chains
 

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I think his injury did affect us and if he stayed fit and had him and Greenwood in there all year we might have been able to sneak into 8 by playing the most turgid football imaginable. Would have gotten us nowhere once there though and losing them (much as loved Greenwood) is better to raise ceiling going forward.
I honestly think CEY did a lot of good things this year. He was also a big-bodied presence that we sort of lacked (Crouch Bros and Sloane are relatively small compared to other main first-3- picked midfielders from other teams).

Hoping Gibbs will regain his form in 2020 and can play some midfield again. Also hoping to see Milera to step it up in the midfield where he belongs - silky skills and decent pace. Jones and Ned looks to have pace, but probably 1-2 years away from a fully matured body to properly compete against the big boys.
 

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Contributed yes, but in no way were we winning many if any games with him. We were killed off HF, he doesn't prevent that.

Speed of ball movement is our Achilles heel.
On this occasion I think your being a bit one dimensional.

In and of himself, I agree that Cam wasn’t necessarily a prime mover. What he did do very well was play the inside Role - with strength and quick hands.

His bullocking did a lot to help our other Mids and once he was gone there was a hole they had to fill.

Put more simply it upset what had been to that point a pretty good balance.
 

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What did he initially do to hurt his back in the first place? Was it an ingame incident or has it just been something that popped up that he hasn't been able to shake off?
 

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Car accident I think
Only reported neck soreness and concussion symptoms from the rear ender he was involved in, was passed fit to play the next week by the medicos but the club didn't play him as a precautionary measure considering he'd suffered a concussion the week before in the SANFL. The back injury came after that when he was involved in a tackling drill at training.
 

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Only reported neck soreness and concussion symptoms from the rear ender he was involved in, was passed fit to play the next week by the medicos but the club didn't play him as a precautionary measure considering he'd suffered a concussion the week before in the SANFL. The back injury came after that when he was involved in a tackling drill at training.
Bit of a concern that it’s still limiting him. Especially seeing as though he played out the last part of the year. Would have preferred he be in the rehab group then, not at the beginning of our 2020 preparation.
 

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Bit of a concern that it’s still limiting him. Especially seeing as though he played out the last part of the year. Would have preferred he be in the rehab group then, not at the beginning of our 2020 preparation.
Start of the pre-season, probably no need to set him out full throttle in the first week or two, given the issues it caused previously.
 

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Bit of a concern that it’s still limiting him. Especially seeing as though he played out the last part of the year. Would have preferred he be in the rehab group then, not at the beginning of our 2020 preparation.
Remember the comment made by Nicks re Needing to Hold some of the players back from overtraining, then go back and remember that McHenry was bored one day and went on a 40km plus run.
I would say McHenry is one of those Kids you hold back.
 

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Start of the pre-season, probably no need to set him out full throttle in the first week or two, given the issues it caused previously.
It suggests to me that he played with it at end of last year. So he was ok to play, but can’t take part in full preseason running. Makes no sense to me at all. Unless he re-tweaked it during his time off.
 

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Remember the comment made by Nicks re Needing to Hold some of the players back from overtraining, then go back and remember that McHenry was bored one day and went on a 40km plus run.
I would say McHenry is one of those Kids you hold back.
So why say he’s on restricted training due to his back? Are you saying that his back isn’t actually a problem?
 

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So why say he’s on restricted training due to his back? Are you saying that his back isn’t actually a problem?
No I am saying he the type of person that would have gone overboard during the offseason and may have re-aggravated his back,
Pounding the concrete is one way of doing this. So they place him on a modified program. His back may feel fine but they may have noticed something in the return to training medicals.
Who knows End of the Day, McHenry could be one of those players who needs to held back.
 

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