Training 2020 Pre-Season

[BrutThough]

firstly, charlie cameron towels up everyone, but compared to other smalls wilkie could definitely play on them. Liam ryan isn't a classic small forward, wilkie would go alright on him IN the fifty, but ryan runs the wings like brad hill, geary would get burnt on the wings along with wilkie.

So lets look at some reasonable match ups from the two GF teams, GWS and richmond

rich: Rioli, castagna, martin, caddy, bolton

Wilkie is a great matchup for almost all of those players. Rioli aint that explosive despite his namesake. Only bolton would really put him to the sword, but I'm also not particularly worried about bolton taking us to the cleaners.

GWS: Toby greene, daniels, .. umm.. daniels might get a metre or two on him but again, not particularly concerned.

So back to your weak argument, yes wilkie is tall, but that does not mean he can't play small. You should watch his game rather than just relying on the stats in his bio. The game has a history of in between sized defenders playing tall and small, robbo, wilkie, gilbert, do you remember the 'DEMPSTERED' meme? Betts was one of his victims. Oh, but dempster's too tall! spare me

The amount of players that wilkie would get towelled up by are small, and those players towel up everyone. Cameron, Betts (when he was good), Gray maybe. Mercurial small forwards.

Either way as I said before, they're both in my best 22. My point was merely if it was down to geary or wilkie, I'm taking wilkie. Also,the way your posturing it sounds like geary is a lock in your side... ok

Geary, based off his form and best attributes, would be better on all the players you listed than Wilkie.

Sure, Wilkie is capable of playing small if he need to but that isn't his best position or what he is best suited to do.

In this hypothetical scenario where all players are available, do you select the best small defender on the list or do you pick a taller guy who can play on a small if needed?

You pick the specialised small defender, who happens to be Geary which is probably why you dislike the idea of picking him ahead of someone you obviously like better.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

Geary, based off his form and best attributes, would be better on all the players you listed than Wilkie.

Sure, Wilkie is capable of playing small if he need to but that isn't his best position or what he is best suited to do.

In this hypothetical scenario where all players are available, do you select the best small defender on the list or do you pick a taller guy who can play on a small if needed?

You pick the specialised small defender, who happens to be Geary which is probably why you dislike the idea of picking him ahead of someone you obviously like better.

ah, yeah, that was the entire point of the exercise, to identify smalls that wilkie could play on. Not once did I say wilkie is better on smalls, rather that his overall game is better than geary's, and if it got tight I'd have him in the side over geary. But your inability to identify that point is a p.i.t.a

 

[BrutThough]

ah, yeah, that was the entire point of the exercise, to identify smalls that wilkie could play on. Not once did I say wilkie is better on smalls, rather that his overall game is better than geary's, and if it got tight I'd have him in the side over geary. But your inability to identify that point is a p.i.t.a

So if it came down to it, you would rather Wilkie play a position he isn't as good at over someone who is better in that position?

Thats a dumb take.

It doesn't matter if Wilkie's overall game is better if the role he would be playing isn't utilising the parts of his game which are stronger than Geary - the person you specifically want him playing ahead of.

If Wilkie is not selected in the best 22, then it is not because of Geary. It will be because of players like Roberton, Battle, Coffield, Webster - all third tall/half back types.

 

[bergholt]

Membrey, King and Battle is an inexperienced option, but likely our best.

Who's the second ruck then, though? Surely we're not going to risk a 19 year old coming off a knee reco in the ruck.

 

[Nutsngum]

This is all kind of fascinating but how them boys training in this here pre-season training thread?

 

[BrutThough]

Who's the second ruck then, though? Surely we're not going to risk a 19 year old coming off a knee reco in the ruck.

Probably Battle.

I dont really think we need to carry another ruckman for the 3-4 minutes quarter they would actually be used, and I like Marshall being around the ball as much as possible so would rather prioritise a forward set up over including Ryder as a second ruckman.

 

[plugger66]

Carlisle at CHB, Howard at FB and Battle as the third tall/intercepter works and would be a good combination.

And provides so many options to swing forward ineffectively in the last quarter to win the game

Plus robbo. Really? Seems way to tall

 

[BrutThough]

Plus robbo. Really? Seems way to tall

I agree once we add in Robbo - essentially what we had near the end of the season with Brown, Carlisle, Battle and Wilkie which did not work at all. That's why I prefer Battle forward.

But Battle, Carlisle and Howard would be a good trio if we ignored having to then find a spot for Robbo.

 

[plugger66]

Well ryan Abbott will help sandy

 

[Keg on legs]

Well ryan Abbott will help sandy

Pure injury cover.

 

[Keg on legs]

 

[saintsmania]

Not sure if we needed another 28y old..would have preferred a younger option

 

[BrutThough]

Not sure if we needed another 28y old..would have preferred a younger option

Since this took so long to happen, I'm guessing he was the only option out there.

 

[Mstr Strokesman]

Billy Longer look alike .
Heres hoping he can do more than just jump.

 

[Mstr Strokesman]

Anyone heard how the boy Mayo has gone in the time trial and in general ?

 

[The_Snake26]

Not sure if we needed another 28y old..would have preferred a younger option

Biggy? I reckon we have a good spread now. Ryder 32
Abbott 28
Marshall 24
Alabakis 22
Biggy 18

 

[saints man]

Maybe they have their eye on a ruck man in the draft/pre season draft

 

[FQFjt]

Who's the second ruck then, though? Surely we're not going to risk a 19 year old coming off a knee reco in the ruck.

This is a crazy idea, and I may cop some flack, but I think that Marshall would make a fantastic midfielder/second ruck. What made Marshall such a fantastic prospect (yes) in 2019 was not so much his tap work but his follow up clearance work and general play. None of that would be lost if he rotated through the midfield. It's not dissimilar to the role that Roughhead occasionally played as a midfielder.

This would allow Ryder to play first ruck/rest forward, and would generally avoid the need to play Marshall as a forward (where he typically is not great).

Thoughts? Have I lost my mind?

 

[Pardon me]

Surely Roma is our first choice ruck?

 

[hayes]

Surely Roma is our first choice ruck?

Don’t panic my friend it’s a depth signing. In case of emergency type deal.

 

[Joffaboy]

So all the whispers on the street and bookmarkers missed Abbott.

Yup

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Biggy? I reckon we have a good spread now. Ryder 32
Abbott 28
Marshall 24
Alabakis 22
Biggy 18

Agree. He looks to have started late and so may be able to go on longer. But I think we did need someone that was as close to AFL ready as we could get. We have a younger ruck, plus Ryder quite easily could miss some time.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Billy Longer look alike .
Heres hoping he can do more than just jump.

I guess it means they are not confident in getting a ruckman old enough to play if needed, but young enough that he might still develop into something good.

This is a crazy idea, and I may cop some flack, but I think that Marshall would make a fantastic midfielder/second ruck. What made Marshall such a fantastic prospect (yes) in 2019 was not so much his tap work but his follow up clearance work and general play. None of that would be lost if he rotated through the midfield. It's not dissimilar to the role that Roughhead occasionally played as a midfielder.

This would allow Ryder to play first ruck/rest forward, and would generally avoid the need to play Marshall as a forward (where he typically is not great).

Thoughts? Have I lost my mind?

No thats OK.
Either Ryder or Marshall does the centre ruck work.
Marshall plays on ball.
Ballups and throw ins in the forward half are Ryder's.
Ballups and throw in's in the back half are Howard's.
Means Marshall can use his energy to play footy rather than chasing the ballups around.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Can we change Alabakis' name to Costello.

Who's FullForward?
No Watt's full forward.
Full forward is the guy near the goal post.
I know, Who.
Who is the Ruck, but What is Doultan Langlands?

 

[bergholt]

Not sure if we needed another 28y old..would have preferred a younger option

I think he's perfect. If we picked up a raw 22 year old then it would be unlikely he'd be good enough or strong enough to hold his own in the AFL for an extended period if necessary. If all goes well he'll play 20 at Sandy and a couple in the ones, will hang around for a couple of years while other things evolve. And he can play forward in the twos to take some heat off King and Mayo and others when they're down there.