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Enjoyed your post. Interested to get your thoughts on the loss of our two wingers, and the potential to cover them.I am calling it now - we need this club improving on last year.
We have a better list now, and a developed list. So I am not sure what the equation is, it is not like we have had sanctions like Carlton or Essendon. We either have a dud list and we will have another 5 years of pain, or we should be pushing for the 8. I think the odds are juicy. I am predicting we are the climbers this year.
Enjoyed your post. Interested to get your thoughts on the loss of our two wingers, and the potential to cover them.
Thanks for the link, terrific article.Thought I'd share some demographic analysis as it probably helps in setting some expectations. I am pretty certain Fremantle now has the youngest list in the AFL, and the 2nd least experienced after Gold Coast. This morning Earl Chi on The Roar provided this graph below showing our list breakdown (plus all other clubs)...
Apart from it showing a pretty lonely David Mundy there are some great insights and potential reasons for future optimism here. For starters we only have one player over 30yo, meaning we aren't going to lose a heap of experienced players over the coming years, unlike a team like Carlton for instance, who have a bunch of players in their B22 who are over 30. The Hawks, St Kilda, Essendon, North, Port and Adelaide all appear to be under achieving given their list demographic and all of them could easily fall off a cliff as their veterans being to retire (like Freo did). Melbourne has the strangest list demographic of all, looking more like rude hand gesture than a demographic histogram.
Over the next couple of seasons our list demographic is likely to look very similar to the current top teams of Richmond, WC, GWS, Collingwood etc. Collingwood, West Coast and Geelong are starting to look age heavy and should be all in on trying to win a premiership this year or next based on their histograms.
Unsurprisingly both Brisbane and Western Bulldogs have pretty balanced histograms and both are coming into their prime, probably at least a year, maybe two, ahead of us. Sydney's exclusive access to their top end academy talent means they are very likely to bounce back up in the not-to-distant future as well.
I think the positives for us are that we have a bunch of top end talent in the lower age ranges and a lot of them are 2nd string midfielders and flankers - so they are more likely to be able to impact earlier in their careers. Meanwhile our spine is built primarily of players through the middle section of that demographic meaning they are seasoned but still with plenty of growth left. Whilst those at the pointy end are almost all established stars that should have a few good years left to lead and impact games.
In my opinion David Walls and co have done a relatively good job in creating a balanced list profile that should grow well with JLo's game plan over the coming seasons. Like others I'm hopeful we'll be highly competitive in 2020 primarily through a game plan that leverages strengths and opportunities via intuitive football, and is less about players trying to calculate the percentages of a decision every time they have the ball in hand. There is no reason we can't tread a similar path to what Brisbane did given our relatively similar list profiles.
Reference:
Revealed: Your club's age and experience profile ahead of 2020
How young - or old - is your list?www.theroar.com.au
Thanks for the link, terrific article.
I expect we'll have plenty of colour in the under 24 category still next year.
Richmond's list is ******* scary. Their dynasty is going to rival Hawthorns unless they fu** it up in finals
Yeah I know Losing both Brad Hill and Ed Langdon is bad.Enjoyed your post. Interested to get your thoughts on the loss of our two wingers, and the potential to cover them.
I’m going to make some logic leaps and offer some anxious predictions.
Reading the pre-season thread a lot (thank you watchers!) and after the two intraclub matches, this is my assessment.
I’m seeing a lot of indicators that we’re bottom four, which is OK, but I can’t see us improving on last year.
- One of the youngest lists in the comp.
- We have the most inexperienced coach in the comp, no matter how visionary or efficient he is, he’ll make mistakes.
- Key injuries & unavailability
- No player recruited in the last three years or so has seemingly advanced their game enough to add to the quality of Fyfe & Walters.
- Our current forward line would be the close to the worst in the comp, entering round one, our small forward solutions are troublesome.
- Acres being a standout in our intraclub, he was fringe at a bottom four club.
- We’ll be borrowing Lobb from the forward line all season to cover the fragility and inexperience of our rucks.
- The depth of our injuries and loss of Hill & Langdon has made us a worse side, teams around us would be confident they’ve improved.
In saying this, I think we have the foundation to have a very sharp improvement in 2021, I’m actually quite confident in that.
Has West Coast had your babies lately? You've been way over the top positive about them recently.I don't think our forward line is bad at all, it isn't elite or one of the top tier forward lines like a West Coast team has, but it certainly isn't horrible at all.
I'd say over the top is a bit much but nobody can deny they've had a good off season and have got all the pieces to push for a flag. I hope that's not the case but I don't hate them, i'd rather cheer them over shitty teams like Geelong and St Kilda or Essendon.Has West Coast had your babies lately? You've been way over the top positive about them recently.
Fair enough. I just saw your comment about Duffy should be suspended on their AFLW thread and didn't sit well with me given you didn't pipe up at all about Gibson running past the ball to strike Cuthbertson above the neck. Just feels like every second comment you've made lately mentions how great WC are. Personally I'd rather treat them like all other 17 clubs and not continually compare ourselves and hear about them on here. I think we found out how much BS was flowing around about their superior culture in regard to AFLW - ha ha. Banter with their fan base on BF is a different story.I'd say over the top is a bit much but nobody can deny they've had a good off season and have got all the pieces to push for a flag. I hope that's not the case but I don't hate them, i'd rather cheer them over shitty teams like Geelong and St Kilda or Essendon.
Yeah fair enough mate not trying to ruffle any feathers, and yeah agreed on all points. Yeah that Gibson thing was s**t I just mainly made a comment on Duffy because while looking back on it it definitely wasn't suspension worthy it's not something becoming of this club. And it's definitely hard to banter with them at times because they tend to take a lot of what's said seriously hahaha.Fair enough. I just saw your comment about Duffy should be suspended on their AFLW thread and didn't sit well with me given you didn't pipe up at all about Gibson running past the ball to strike Cuthbertson above the neck. Just feels like every second comment you've made lately mentions how great WC are. Personally I'd rather treat them like all other 17 clubs and not continually compare ourselves and hear about them on here. I think we found out how much BS was flowing around about their superior culture in regard to AFLW - ha ha. Banter with their fan base on BF is a different story.
Handy tip... stay away from their boardYeah fair enough mate not trying to ruffle any feathers, and yeah agreed on all points. Yeah that Gibson thing was s**t I just mainly made a comment on Duffy because while looking back on it it definitely wasn't suspension worthy it's not something becoming of this club. And it's definitely hard to banter with them at times because they tend to take a lot of what's said seriously hahaha.
Has West Coast had your babies lately? You've been way over the top positive about them recently.