- Jul 27, 2014
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Gary Buckenara analyses St Kilda’s list after the 2020 season
Adam Treloarcould be on the way out of Collingwood but while he’d be a handy pick-up for the Saints, he shouldn’t be a priority. Gary Buckenara reveals why as he analyses St Kilda’s list.PLAYERCARDSTART1Adam Treloar
- Age
- 32
- Ht
- 185cm
- Wt
- 84kg
- Pos.
- Mid
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 28.2
- 5star
- K
- 12.9
- 5star
- HB
- 15.3
- 5star
- M
- 3.6
- 4star
- T
- 4.9
- 5star
- CL
- 4.6
- 5star
- D
- 30.3
- 5star
- K
- 16.3
- 5star
- HB
- 14.0
- 5star
- M
- 2.0
- 2star
- T
- 3.3
- 4star
- CL
- 5.8
- 5star
- D
- 18.0
- 5star
- K
- 11.2
- 4star
- HB
- 6.8
- 5star
- M
- 4.2
- 4star
- T
- 2.6
- 4star
- CL
- 1.6
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
Playing finals this year is the first step towards St Kilda winning the second premiership in the club’s history but the hardest part is yet to come.
If we’re being realistic, making the finals is actually the easy target to reach as you build a list you hope can eventually challenge for a flag but taking the next steps is very difficult. It gets harder and harder to progress and stay in the window to challenge because teams improve every year, so clubs must keep improving their list to get it in a position to make top four, then hopefully a preliminary final and then a Grand Final.
The Saints will be a finals contender again next year and if everything goes right, they can challenge for the premiership in 2022 or 2023 but it’s easier said than done.
St Kilda’s list is showing signs of becoming a serious premiership threat and improved consistency this season is a reflection on the growth within the playing group combined with a fresh coaching outlook from Brett Ratten. With 14 B-grade players and five players aged 21 or under with A-B grade potential coming through, including Max KingPLAYERCARDSTARTBrett Ratten
- Age
- 54
- Ht
- 184cm
- Wt
- 88kg
- Pos.
- Mid
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 22.4
- 5star
- K
- 12.1
- 4star
- HB
- 10.3
- 5star
- M
- 2.9
- 3star
- T
- 3.0
- 5star
No current season stats available
- D
- 26.4
- 5star
- K
- 13.8
- 5star
- HB
- 12.6
- 5star
- M
- 3.4
- 4star
- T
- 1.6
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND, Josh BattlePLAYERCARDSTARTMultiple players found. Use birthday to differentiate. eg [PLAYERCARD="23/11/1962"]Joe Smith[/PLAYERCARD]PLAYERCARDEND, Hunter ClarkPLAYERCARDSTART24Josh Battle
- Age
- 27
- Ht
- 193cm
- Wt
- 93kg
- Pos.
- Def
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 12.9
- 3star
- K
- 9.0
- 3star
- HB
- 3.9
- 3star
- M
- 5.0
- 5star
- T
- 2.4
- 4star
- MG
- 196.8
- 3star
- D
- 11.0
- 3star
- K
- 7.3
- 3star
- HB
- 3.8
- 3star
- M
- 4.0
- 4star
- T
- 1.8
- 3star
- MG
- 142.8
- 3star
- D
- 10.8
- 3star
- K
- 6.2
- 3star
- HB
- 4.6
- 4star
- M
- 3.4
- 4star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
- MG
- 175.6
- 3star
PLAYERCARDENDand Nick Coffield who had breakout seasons, there is a good base there. But the biggest issue that continues to hold the Saints back is the lack of top-end talent. St Kilda still doesn’t have any A-graders.PLAYERCARDSTART11Hunter Clark
- Age
- 26
- Ht
- 186cm
- Wt
- 83kg
- Pos.
- Mid
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 17.5
- 4star
- K
- 9.5
- 4star
- HB
- 8.0
- 5star
- M
- 3.6
- 4star
- T
- 2.9
- 4star
- CL
- 1.3
- 3star
- D
- 16.0
- 4star
- K
- 9.6
- 4star
- HB
- 6.4
- 4star
- M
- 3.1
- 3star
- T
- 2.9
- 4star
- CL
- 1.9
- 4star
- D
- 13.2
- 4star
- K
- 6.6
- 3star
- HB
- 6.6
- 4star
- M
- 2.2
- 3star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
- CL
- 0.0
- 1star
PLAYERCARDEND
The inclusion of Bradley Hill, Zak Jones, Paddy Ryder, Dougal HowardPLAYERCARDSTART3Zak Jones
- Age
- 30
- Ht
- 182cm
- Wt
- 84kg
- Pos.
- Mid
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 17.8
- 4star
- K
- 10.0
- 4star
- HB
- 7.8
- 5star
- M
- 3.4
- 3star
- T
- 3.0
- 5star
- CL
- 1.7
- 4star
- D
- 19.1
- 4star
- K
- 10.6
- 4star
- HB
- 8.6
- 4star
- M
- 3.4
- 3star
- T
- 3.1
- 4star
- CL
- 4.9
- 5star
- D
- 7.0
- 2star
- K
- 2.8
- 1star
- HB
- 4.2
- 4star
- M
- 1.0
- 1star
- T
- 1.6
- 4star
- CL
- 1.0
- 3star
PLAYERCARDENDand Dan Butler has helped to inject more leg speed and ball-winning ability into a team that was bland and one-paced but that’s only the beginning. The Saints still have holes in their list that need filling, including more outside runners and creative halfbacks with elite kicking skills, before they can take that difficult next step in becoming a top-four team.PLAYERCARDSTART20Dougal Howard
- Age
- 29
- Ht
- 199cm
- Wt
- 94kg
- Pos.
- Def
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 10.9
- 3star
- K
- 7.8
- 3star
- HB
- 3.1
- 3star
- M
- 4.4
- 4star
- T
- 1.4
- 3star
- MG
- 176.2
- 3star
- D
- 9.9
- 3star
- K
- 8.4
- 3star
- HB
- 1.4
- 1star
- M
- 4.7
- 4star
- T
- 0.6
- 1star
- MG
- 171.9
- 3star
- D
- 9.0
- 3star
- K
- 5.4
- 2star
- HB
- 3.6
- 3star
- M
- 2.8
- 3star
- T
- 2.8
- 5star
- MG
- 133.8
- 3star
PLAYERCARDEND
It’s over to the list management and recruiting staff to identify players from rival clubs who can come in and add star power to help take this team to the next level. Be aggressive, make calls to players like Ben Brownand Adam Treloar because you never know what answer you’ll get unless you ask the question.PLAYERCARDSTART50Ben Brown
- Age
- 33
- Ht
- 200cm
- Wt
- 100kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 10.7
- 3star
- K
- 7.7
- 3star
- HB
- 3.0
- 3star
- M
- 4.8
- 5star
- T
- 1.2
- 3star
- G
- 2.2
- 5star
- D
- 7.9
- 2star
- K
- 6.3
- 3star
- HB
- 1.6
- 1star
- M
- 3.7
- 4star
- T
- 0.9
- 2star
- G
- 1.0
- 4star
- D
- 8.0
- 2star
- K
- 4.6
- 2star
- HB
- 3.4
- 3star
- M
- 4.4
- 4star
- T
- 1.4
- 4star
- G
- 1.2
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
LIST NEEDS
St Kilda has a reasonably balanced list but they need another key defender. Jake Carlisle is out of contract – is he the man to play on the big key forwards like Tom Lynch and Tom Hawkins? They’re the types of players St Kilda will need to stop if they’re to go deep in the finals and be a serious premiership contender.PLAYERCARDSTART26Tom Hawkins
- Age
- 37
- Ht
- 197cm
- Wt
- 105kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 12.2
- 3star
- K
- 7.9
- 3star
- HB
- 4.4
- 3star
- M
- 5.5
- 5star
- T
- 1.9
- 4star
- G
- 2.1
- 5star
- D
- 12.7
- 3star
- K
- 8.6
- 3star
- HB
- 4.1
- 3star
- M
- 5.1
- 5star
- T
- 2.1
- 3star
- G
- 1.6
- 5star
- D
- 7.8
- 2star
- K
- 5.6
- 3star
- HB
- 2.2
- 2star
- M
- 4.2
- 4star
- T
- 1.0
- 3star
- G
- 2.2
- 5star
PLAYERCARDEND
Jack Steele’s emergence this year was impressive but the Saints can’t rely on him to do all the work, they need another big-bodied midfielder in the middle to provide more toughness around stoppages, while they need outside runners and rebounding defenders with pace and elite kicking skills. The return of Jade GreshamPLAYERCARDSTART9Jack Steele
- Age
- 29
- Ht
- 187cm
- Wt
- 90kg
- Pos.
- Mid
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 20.9
- 5star
- K
- 8.7
- 3star
- HB
- 12.2
- 5star
- M
- 3.7
- 4star
- T
- 6.8
- 5star
- CL
- 3.6
- 5star
- D
- 21.3
- 5star
- K
- 10.0
- 4star
- HB
- 11.3
- 5star
- M
- 4.0
- 4star
- T
- 5.8
- 5star
- CL
- 4.6
- 5star
- D
- 16.8
- 4star
- K
- 5.0
- 2star
- HB
- 11.8
- 5star
- M
- 2.6
- 3star
- T
- 6.4
- 5star
- CL
- 3.6
- 5star
PLAYERCARDENDnext year will be handy.PLAYERCARDSTART11Jade Gresham
- Age
- 28
- Ht
- 177cm
- Wt
- 81kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 17.4
- 4star
- K
- 10.2
- 4star
- HB
- 7.2
- 4star
- M
- 3.2
- 3star
- T
- 2.7
- 4star
- G
- 1.1
- 4star
- D
- 17.5
- 4star
- K
- 10.8
- 4star
- HB
- 6.8
- 4star
- M
- 2.1
- 2star
- T
- 2.0
- 3star
- G
- 0.5
- 4star
- D
- 11.8
- 3star
- K
- 6.0
- 3star
- HB
- 5.8
- 4star
- M
- 2.6
- 3star
- T
- 3.4
- 5star
- G
- 0.4
- 3star
PLAYERCARDEND
TRADE TARGETS
St Kilda will land Brad Crouchfrom Adelaide who will be a fantastic addition and add that extra bit of toughness in the midfield.PLAYERCARDSTART5Brad Crouch
- Age
- 31
- Ht
- 186cm
- Wt
- 86kg
- Pos.
- Mid
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 26.1
- 5star
- K
- 12.1
- 4star
- HB
- 14.0
- 5star
- M
- 2.7
- 3star
- T
- 5.5
- 5star
- CL
- 5.0
- 5star
- D
- 20.3
- 5star
- K
- 11.1
- 4star
- HB
- 9.1
- 5star
- M
- 1.5
- 2star
- T
- 3.9
- 5star
- CL
- 4.6
- 5star
- D
- 21.6
- 5star
- K
- 10.0
- 4star
- HB
- 11.6
- 5star
- M
- 3.4
- 4star
- T
- 4.2
- 5star
- CL
- 2.6
- 5star
PLAYERCARDEND
The Saints should look at Treloar but only if Collingwood is willing to pay some of his mega contract over the next few years. Treloar can play as an outside runner and has that pace they need but I wouldn’t make him a priority given the Saints only have pick No.15 at their disposal and the Magpies will want more than that. A trade looks very difficult.
Melbourne’s Tom McDonaldwould be a smart target and while he’s been played as a key forward for the last 3-4 years, he’s best suited down back. That’s not to say he can’t be moved forward at times – players who can play at both ends are very valuable.PLAYERCARDSTART25Tom Mcdonald
- Age
- 33
- Ht
- 195cm
- Wt
- 101kg
- Pos.
- Def
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 16.4
- 4star
- K
- 9.7
- 4star
- HB
- 6.7
- 4star
- M
- 5.6
- 5star
- T
- 1.9
- 4star
- MG
- 261.8
- 4star
- D
- 8.0
- 2star
- K
- 5.0
- 2star
- HB
- 3.0
- 2star
- M
- 3.4
- 3star
- T
- 0.6
- 1star
- MG
- 135.6
- 2star
- D
- 13.8
- 4star
- K
- 6.8
- 3star
- HB
- 7.0
- 5star
- M
- 4.4
- 4star
- T
- 1.4
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
Daniel Taliawas linked to a trade to Essendon, so if he’s interested in a move out of Adelaide he’s exactly the type of player that can help propel the Saints from a 6-8 side to a potential top-four team. He’s been one of the game’s most reliable defenders but given he’s 29, I think a pick in the 30-40 range would be a fair trade. It would be a very good deal for the Saints.PLAYERCARDSTART12Daniel Talia
- Age
- 34
- Ht
- 197cm
- Wt
- 98kg
- Pos.
- Def
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 12.0
- 3star
- K
- 7.0
- 3star
- HB
- 5.0
- 4star
- M
- 4.4
- 4star
- T
- 1.8
- 4star
- MG
- 169.9
- 3star
- D
- 10.4
- 3star
- K
- 7.9
- 3star
- HB
- 2.5
- 2star
- M
- 4.5
- 4star
- T
- 1.1
- 2star
- MG
- 187.6
- 3star
- D
- 11.4
- 3star
- K
- 7.0
- 3star
- HB
- 4.4
- 4star
- M
- 2.2
- 3star
- T
- 3.4
- 5star
PLAYERCARDEND
St Kilda should also ask the question of Michael Hurleygiven Essendon is in a rebuild/refresh phase.PLAYERCARDSTART18Michael Hurley
- Age
- 35
- Ht
- 193cm
- Wt
- 94kg
- Pos.
- Def
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 18.3
- 5star
- K
- 12.1
- 4star
- HB
- 6.2
- 4star
- M
- 6.4
- 5star
- T
- 0.9
- 3star
- MG
- 389.3
- 5star
- D
- 16.5
- 4star
- K
- 11.8
- 5star
- HB
- 4.7
- 3star
- M
- 6.3
- 5star
- T
- 0.3
- 1star
- MG
- 301.2
- 4star
- D
- 15.0
- 4star
- K
- 7.6
- 3star
- HB
- 7.4
- 5star
- M
- 5.0
- 5star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
UNTOUCHABLES
Battle, Butler, Clark, Coffield, Gresham, Hill, Jones, M. King, Steele, Jack Billings, Jarryn GearyPLAYERCARDSTART14Jack Billings
- Age
- 30
- Ht
- 185cm
- Wt
- 81kg
- Pos.
- M/F
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 21.3
- 5star
- K
- 11.5
- 4star
- HB
- 9.8
- 5star
- M
- 5.1
- 5star
- T
- 2.9
- 4star
- CL
- 1.3
- 3star
- D
- 19.7
- 5star
- K
- 11.7
- 5star
- HB
- 8.0
- 4star
- M
- 4.7
- 4star
- T
- 2.9
- 4star
- CL
- 2.3
- 4star
- D
- 13.8
- 4star
- K
- 9.2
- 4star
- HB
- 4.6
- 4star
- M
- 5.2
- 5star
- T
- 1.6
- 4star
- CL
- 0.0
- 1star
PLAYERCARDEND, Dougal HowardPLAYERCARDSTART14Jarryn Geary
- Age
- 37
- Ht
- 183cm
- Wt
- 82kg
- Pos.
- Mid
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 16.6
- 4star
- K
- 8.8
- 3star
- HB
- 7.8
- 5star
- M
- 3.9
- 4star
- T
- 2.6
- 4star
- CL
- 0.7
- 3star
- D
- 8.8
- 2star
- K
- 3.6
- 1star
- HB
- 5.2
- 3star
- M
- 1.2
- 1star
- T
- 1.8
- 3star
- CL
- 0.8
- 3star
- D
- 15.4
- 4star
- K
- 7.4
- 3star
- HB
- 8.0
- 5star
- M
- 5.0
- 5star
- T
- 1.6
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND, Rowan MarshallPLAYERCARDSTART20Dougal Howard
- Age
- 29
- Ht
- 199cm
- Wt
- 94kg
- Pos.
- Def
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 10.9
- 3star
- K
- 7.8
- 3star
- HB
- 3.1
- 3star
- M
- 4.4
- 4star
- T
- 1.4
- 3star
- MG
- 176.2
- 3star
- D
- 9.9
- 3star
- K
- 8.4
- 3star
- HB
- 1.4
- 1star
- M
- 4.7
- 4star
- T
- 0.6
- 1star
- MG
- 171.9
- 3star
- D
- 9.0
- 3star
- K
- 5.4
- 2star
- HB
- 3.6
- 3star
- M
- 2.8
- 3star
- T
- 2.8
- 5star
- MG
- 133.8
- 3star
PLAYERCARDEND, Tim MembreyPLAYERCARDSTART19Rowan Marshall
- Age
- 30
- Ht
- 201cm
- Wt
- 105kg
- Pos.
- Ruck
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 15.4
- 4star
- K
- 8.8
- 3star
- HB
- 6.6
- 4star
- CL
- 3.4
- 5star
- HO
- 20.2
- 5star
- D
- 12.9
- 3star
- K
- 9.3
- 4star
- HB
- 3.6
- 2star
- CL
- 2.8
- 4star
- HO
- 17.8
- 5star
- D
- 10.6
- 3star
- K
- 5.8
- 3star
- HB
- 4.8
- 4star
- CL
- 1.0
- 3star
- HO
- 7.8
- 5star
PLAYERCARDEND, Ben Paton, Seb Ross, Jack SinclairPLAYERCARDSTART28Tim Membrey
- Age
- 31
- Ht
- 188cm
- Wt
- 92kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 12.2
- 3star
- K
- 8.1
- 3star
- HB
- 4.1
- 3star
- M
- 5.8
- 5star
- T
- 1.5
- 3star
- G
- 1.8
- 5star
- D
- 9.4
- 2star
- K
- 6.5
- 3star
- HB
- 2.9
- 2star
- M
- 4.5
- 4star
- T
- 1.3
- 2star
- G
- 1.5
- 5star
- D
- 9.6
- 3star
- K
- 4.8
- 2star
- HB
- 4.8
- 4star
- M
- 3.2
- 4star
- T
- 1.4
- 4star
- G
- 0.6
- 3star
PLAYERCARDENDand Callum WilkiePLAYERCARDSTART35Jack Sinclair
- Age
- 30
- Ht
- 181cm
- Wt
- 82kg
- Pos.
- D/M
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 16.5
- 4star
- K
- 8.1
- 3star
- HB
- 8.4
- 5star
- M
- 3.1
- 3star
- T
- 3.2
- 5star
- MG
- 235.0
- 4star
- D
- 15.0
- 4star
- K
- 10.0
- 4star
- HB
- 5.0
- 3star
- M
- 4.0
- 4star
- T
- 2.0
- 3star
- MG
- 376.0
- 5star
- D
- 12.0
- 3star
- K
- 4.2
- 2star
- HB
- 7.8
- 5star
- M
- 1.6
- 2star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
- MG
- 138.2
- 3star
PLAYERCARDEND.PLAYERCARDSTART44Callum Wilkie
- Age
- 29
- Ht
- 191cm
- Wt
- 88kg
- Pos.
- Def
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 14.2
- 4star
- K
- 9.8
- 4star
- HB
- 4.4
- 3star
- M
- 4.5
- 4star
- T
- 1.8
- 4star
- MG
- 221.3
- 3star
- D
- 12.6
- 3star
- K
- 9.0
- 4star
- HB
- 3.6
- 2star
- M
- 2.6
- 3star
- T
- 1.4
- 2star
- MG
- 223.1
- 3star
- D
- 14.0
- 4star
- K
- 8.4
- 4star
- HB
- 5.6
- 4star
- M
- 4.6
- 5star
- T
- 2.2
- 4star
- MG
- 170.0
- 3star
PLAYERCARDEND
TRADE BAIT
Carlisle is a player who could be put on the trade table to see if there’s any interest and get a deal done to as a more reliable key defender to play on the big forwards.
Jack Lonieis a handy player but he doesn’t do enough and could benefit from a new environment. I think he’s a player that would be of interest to clubs looking for a clever small forward, such as Carlton.PLAYERCARDSTART13Jack Lonie
- Age
- 29
- Ht
- 175cm
- Wt
- 70kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 12.5
- 3star
- K
- 7.8
- 3star
- HB
- 4.7
- 3star
- M
- 3.1
- 3star
- T
- 2.8
- 4star
- G
- 0.9
- 4star
- D
- 10.7
- 3star
- K
- 7.9
- 3star
- HB
- 2.9
- 2star
- M
- 3.7
- 4star
- T
- 2.6
- 4star
- G
- 0.7
- 4star
- D
- 13.4
- 4star
- K
- 9.0
- 4star
- HB
- 4.4
- 4star
- M
- 2.8
- 3star
- T
- 3.2
- 5star
- G
- 1.0
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
Luke Dunstanis a high draft pick that barely featured this year and could be used in a trade with Adelaide along with a late draft pick to secure Talia. Dunstan is a South Australian who might appreciate a return home. At 25 years of age, he’s in the right age bracket for the Crows.PLAYERCARDSTART27Luke Dunstan
- Age
- 30
- Ht
- 185cm
- Wt
- 86kg
- Pos.
- Mid
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 20.7
- 5star
- K
- 10.1
- 4star
- HB
- 10.6
- 5star
- M
- 3.3
- 3star
- T
- 4.8
- 5star
- CL
- 4.4
- 5star
- D
- 21.0
- 5star
- K
- 13.0
- 5star
- HB
- 8.0
- 4star
- M
- 3.0
- 3star
- T
- 9.0
- 5star
- CL
- 2.0
- 4star
- D
- 18.2
- 5star
- K
- 6.0
- 3star
- HB
- 12.2
- 5star
- M
- 2.4
- 3star
- T
- 6.2
- 5star
- CL
- 4.2
- 5star
PLAYERCARDEND
RATING THE LIST
A-grade: Nil
B: Billings, Butler, Carlisle, Geary, Gresham, Hill, Howard, Jones, Marshall, Membrey, Ross, Sinclair, Steele, Wilkie
C: Alabakis, Dunstan, Hannebery, Hind, Joyce, Kent, Long, Lonie, Marsh, McKenzie, Parker, Phillips, Roberton, Ryder, Savage, Webster
Developing (with A-B grade potential): Battle, Clark, Coffield, King, Paton
Developing: Byrnes, Bytel, Clavarino, Connolly
What the ratings mean:
A-grade: Elite player on any AFL list
B: Top 10-18 player on most lists
C: An 18-30 player on a list
Developing: Aged 21 or under
CRYSTAL BALL
It was terrific to see St Kilda play finals in 2020 and there are signs that this might be the start of a premiership challenge over the next couple of years, but whether that ultimate goal is achievable will depend on how well the playing group comes together under Ratten and how well the list management and recruiting teams can add to the list over the next two years. There are holes that need to be filled before the Saints can seriously announce themselves and getting an A-grade star is a must. With more maturity and growth from the playing list over the pre-season, I can see the Saints being a finals contender again next year and challenging for a flag in 2022 or 2023.
Absolute respect .......Hubris





