List Mgmt. 2020 Trade and List Management Thread III

Snake_Baker · Nov 10, 2020

giantroo said:
Ralphy on Trading Day Show reckons it will be pick 31 and 33 for Brown.

Have another 5 stabs at it Ralphy, and you might get it right.

Tas · Nov 10, 2020

GS WARRIORS said:
Cam was already on the senior list.

Nope, was a rookie for 2020, his contract would extent him to the senior list in 2021. We have 40 senior listed players excluding Zurhaar this year.

The Nostradamus · Nov 10, 2020

giantroo said:
Ralphy on Trading Day Show reckons it will be pick 31 and 33 for Brown.

We will probably ask for 26 and 31

and the compromise will be 26 and 33 for brown

Marstermind · Nov 10, 2020

Usayed Givashe said:
Damo will be happy we traded for a FA.

Yeah. But he's already got his "If North got picks X, Y, Z for Brown and Higgins, then they lost trade week / in a shambles/ Glenn Archer is Satan" bullshit already written for this week.

muttley45 · Nov 10, 2020

Snake_Baker said:
Have another 5 stabs at it Ralphy, and you might get it right.

He also said we traded in Lewis Young on that trade day show, cutting edge stuff

giantroo · Nov 10, 2020

chubbspeterson · Nov 10, 2020

Let's be honest the media have no idea what the picks will be, they're just guessing like we are.

Snake_Baker · Nov 10, 2020

giantroo said:

"sounds like"

NONE of these clowns got NEAR this trade.

" Wonder if the Roos would then look to package up their draft points for the Dogs’ pick 14?"

Bigfooty.com posters trumped you AGAIN!

giantroo · Nov 10, 2020

Snake_Baker said:
"sounds like"

NONE of these clowns got NEAR this trade.

" Wonder if the Roos would then look to package up their draft points for the Dogs’ pick 14?"

Bigfooty.com posters trumped you AGAIN!

That's ok, at least the narrative is now changing from a single pick to multiple picks.

TennisPlayerAndy · Nov 10, 2020

Merlin007 said:
1292 points, equivalent to pick 12; take it and be happy

Arbitrarily assigned points values are irrelevant because they’re numbers, not players.

GS WARRIORS · Nov 10, 2020

Tas said:
Nope, was a rookie for 2020, his contract would extent him to the senior list in 2021. We have 40 senior listed players excluding Zurhaar this year.

Our 2020 rookies were Campbell, Hayden, Murphy, Hosie and Mcguinness.

Snake_Baker · Nov 10, 2020

giantroo said:
That's ok, at least the narrative is now changing from a single pick to multiple picks.

It has **** all effect on the schnozz mate, but it might back off the continual hand wringing around here.

Tas · Nov 10, 2020

giantroo said:

At least the conversation is heading in the right direction now.

Tas · Nov 10, 2020

GS WARRIORS said:
Our 2020 rookies were Campbell, Hayden, Murphy, Hosie and Mcguinness.

Maguinness was category B and Campbell was not a rookie.

This is accurate: https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/tp-kangaroos

GS WARRIORS · Nov 10, 2020

Tas said:
Maguinness was category B and Campbell was not a rookie.

This is accurate: https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/tp-kangaroos

Cam has been on our list for 4 years, can't have been a rookie in his 4th year. Cambell was a rookie in 19 and 20.

Champion Data's 2020 Prospectus has it us above.

Footywire is incorrect.

Nutjob · Nov 10, 2020

Mahoney mentioned last week that players had been discussed with a deal for Brown. It could still be a possibility a player is packaged with one of their 2nd rounders. We have a lot of list spots to fill.

Also if we accumulate a few 2nd round picks (Higgins deal to come), I wouldn’t be surprised if we take them all to the draft rather than package them for a higher pick. Again we have a lot spots to fill and Brady does his finest work in that range. Currently after pick 25 it’s pick 70 odd. It might be a case of quantity over quality.

On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

DrZaius · Nov 10, 2020

giantroo said:
That's ok, at least the narrative is now changing from a single pick to multiple picks.

His value has doubled

giantroo · Nov 10, 2020

Geelong backs down in push for return draft pick from GWS Giants in Jeremy Cameron

5

Jeremy Cameron

Age
32

Ht

196cm

Wt
94kg

Pos.
Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D
12.5

3

K
9.0

3

HB
3.4

3

M
5.4

5

T
1.6

4

G
2.6

5

D
10.0

3

K
7.1

3

HB
2.9

2

M
4.6

4

T
2.0

3

G
1.9

5

D
8.2

2

K
5.0

2

HB
3.2

3

M
4.6

5

T
2.4

4

G
2.0

5

deal
Jeremy Cameron’s move to Geelong is edging closer after the Cats made a key concession in their dealings with the Giants. This is how the mega deal could get done.
Jay Clark, News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom

Geelong has improved its offer to secure superstar forward Jeremy Cameron in a fresh effort to break the trade impasse with GWS Giants.

The Herald Sun has revealed the Cats contacted the Giants on Tuesday and dropped their request for a second-round pick back from GWS.

It means Geelong is prepared to trade pick No. 15 and No. 20 to GWS for Cameron without receiving anything extra back in the exchange.

It was a significant move from the Cats as pick No. 15 (1112 points) and No. 20 (912 points) are worth a combined 2024 draft value index points.

Those combined points are equivalent to pick four (2034 points) on the draft value index which Geelong believes is more than a reasonable offer for the 27-year-old.
But GWS could continue its hard line stance and ask the Cats to include their pick No. 13 instead of No. 20 or their future first-round selection as part of the trade.

If the Giants reject the latest offer, there is the chance the Cats keep the three first-round choices (No. 13, No. 15 and N. 20) and plan to welcome Cameron in the preseason draft.

Geelong has made clear to Cameron’s manager Alex McDonald its preference is to not go down the draft path but will consider it as a viable option over the next two days.

That way, the Cats could keep their strong hand in this year’s draft and potentially move up the order in a swap with Essendon and potentially take Cameron for nothing in the preseason draft.

The Cats are confident Essendon will not pick Cameron ahead of it in the preseason draft.

GWS has maintained a strong position on Cameron believing that the Cats should part with as many as three first-round choices for one of the best key forwards in the competition despite his poor form this year.

The Giants are adamant Cameron’s salary at Geelong, which is worth a reported $900,000 a season over as many as six years, shows that he is worth multiple early selections.

The Cats rang the managers of Charlie Constable, Nakia Cockatoo and Lachie Fogarty to assure them Geelong did not offer the players up to the Giants as part of the deal on wednesday.

Geelong, in its communication to GWS, told the Giants three players had notified the club they were exploring opportunities.

Cockatoo wants to move to Brisbane Lions, Fogarty is intent on heading to Carlton and Constable is open to any move for more AFL game time.

The Cats will nab North Melbourne veteran Shaun Higgins and have already jagged Hawthorn premiership hero Isaac Smith as a free agent.

giantroo · Nov 10, 2020

DrZaius said:
His value has doubled

Maybe tripled after the Preuss trade today.

Passmore · Nov 10, 2020

chubbspeterson said:
Let's be honest the media have no idea what the picks will be, they're just guessing like we are.

LIES!!!!!!

hurricane · Nov 10, 2020

TennisPlayerAndy said:
Arbitrarily assigned points values are irrelevant because they’re numbers, not players.

They’re not arbitrary though. They are correlated with the average earnings of players taken at that pick. I take your point but at least they have some empirical indication of value.

DrZaius · Nov 10, 2020

giantroo said:
Geelong has made clear to Cameron’s manager Alex McDonald its preference is to not go down the draft path

Ain't that the truth.

GS WARRIORS · Nov 10, 2020

giantroo said:
Geelong backs down in push for return draft pick from GWS Giants in Jeremy Cameron

5

Jeremy Cameron

Age
32

Ht

196cm

Wt
94kg

Pos.
Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D
12.5

3

K
9.0

3

HB
3.4

3

M
5.4

5

T
1.6

4

G
2.6

5

D
10.0

3

K
7.1

3

HB
2.9

2

M
4.6

4

T
2.0

3

G
1.9

5

D
8.2

2

K
5.0

2

HB
3.2

3

M
4.6

5

T
2.4

4

G
2.0

5

deal
Jeremy Cameron

5

Jeremy Cameron

Age
32

Ht

196cm

Wt
94kg

Pos.
Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D
12.5

3

K
9.0

3

HB
3.4

3

M
5.4

5

T
1.6

4

G
2.6

5

D
10.0

3

K
7.1

3

HB
2.9

2

M
4.6

4

T
2.0

3

G
1.9

5

D
8.2

2

K
5.0

2

HB
3.2

3

M
4.6

5

T
2.4

4

G
2.0

5

’s move to Geelong is edging closer after the Cats made a key concession in their dealings with the Giants. This is how the mega deal could get done.
Jay Clark, News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom

Geelong has improved its offer to secure superstar forward Jeremy Cameron

5

Jeremy Cameron

Age
32

Ht

196cm

Wt
94kg

Pos.
Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D
12.5

3

K
9.0

3

HB
3.4

3

M
5.4

5

T
1.6

4

G
2.6

5

D
10.0

3

K
7.1

3

HB
2.9

2

M
4.6

4

T
2.0

3

G
1.9

5

D
8.2

2

K
5.0

2

HB
3.2

3

M
4.6

5

T
2.4

4

G
2.0

5

in a fresh effort to break the trade impasse with GWS Giants.

The Herald Sun has revealed the Cats contacted the Giants on Tuesday and dropped their request for a second-round pick back from GWS.

It means Geelong is prepared to trade pick No. 15 and No. 20 to GWS for Cameron without receiving anything extra back in the exchange.

It was a significant move from the Cats as pick No. 15 (1112 points) and No. 20 (912 points) are worth a combined 2024 draft value index points.

Those combined points are equivalent to pick four (2034 points) on the draft value index which Geelong believes is more than a reasonable offer for the 27-year-old.
But GWS could continue its hard line stance and ask the Cats to include their pick No. 13 instead of No. 20 or their future first-round selection as part of the trade.

If the Giants reject the latest offer, there is the chance the Cats keep the three first-round choices (No. 13, No. 15 and N. 20) and plan to welcome Cameron in the preseason draft.

Geelong has made clear to Cameron’s manager Alex McDonald its preference is to not go down the draft path but will consider it as a viable option over the next two days.

That way, the Cats could keep their strong hand in this year’s draft and potentially move up the order in a swap with Essendon and potentially take Cameron for nothing in the preseason draft.

The Cats are confident Essendon will not pick Cameron ahead of it in the preseason draft.

GWS has maintained a strong position on Cameron believing that the Cats should part with as many as three first-round choices for one of the best key forwards in the competition despite his poor form this year.

The Giants are adamant Cameron’s salary at Geelong, which is worth a reported $900,000 a season over as many as six years, shows that he is worth multiple early selections.

The Cats rang the managers of Charlie Constable

33

Charlie Constable

Age
26

Ht

192cm

Wt
86kg

Pos.
D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D
21.4

5

K
9.0

3

HB
12.4

5

M
4.6

4

T
3.7

5

No current season stats available

D
22.4

5

K
10.0

4

HB
12.4

5

M
4.4

4

T
3.4

5

, Nakia Cockatoo

12

Nakia Cockatoo

Age
29

Ht

185cm

Wt
90kg

Pos.
Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D
9.6

2

K
6.1

2

HB
3.5

3

M
2.6

3

T
3.1

5

G
0.7

4

No current season stats available

D
6.6

2

K
3.4

2

HB
3.2

3

M
2.2

3

T
2.4

4

G
0.2

3

and Lachie Fogarty to assure them Geelong did not offer the players up to the Giants as part of the deal on wednesday.

Geelong, in its communication to GWS, told the Giants three players had notified the club they were exploring opportunities.

Cockatoo wants to move to Brisbane Lions, Fogarty is intent on heading to Carlton and Constable is open to any move for more AFL game time.

The Cats will nab North Melbourne veteran Shaun Higgins

4

Shaun Higgins

Age
37

Ht

184cm

Wt
89kg

Pos.
Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D
20.4

5

K
10.6

4

HB
9.8

5

M
3.9

4

T
3.2

5

G
1.0

4

D
21.8

5

K
10.3

4

HB
11.5

5

M
2.3

2

T
3.6

4

G
0.1

3

D
12.0

3

K
7.2

3

HB
4.8

4

M
2.8

3

T
1.8

4

G
0.6

3

and have already jagged Hawthorn premiership hero Isaac Smith

7

Isaac Smith

Age
36

Ht

188cm

Wt
83kg

Pos.
M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D
21.3

5

K
13.0

5

HB
8.4

5

M
5.5

5

T
2.9

4

CL
1.7

4

D
19.4

4

K
11.1

4

HB
8.3

4

M
3.8

4

T
2.5

3

CL
1.3

4

D
19.2

5

K
10.6

4

HB
8.6

5

M
7.6

5

T
2.0

4

CL
0.6

3

as a free agent.

not good for the higgins trade

Shinboner1 · Nov 10, 2020

Happy to get Young in but expected a brown trade after all the speculation and Melbourne Deals.
Kinda disappointed.

King Corey · Nov 10, 2020

TennisPlayerAndy said:
Arbitrarily assigned points values are irrelevant because they’re numbers, not players.

Are they drugging people in the water supply or something?

For the 1000th time- UNLESS YOU ARE MATCHING BIDS OR TRADING TO A CLUB TRYING TO DODGE BIDS NO PICK IS EQUIVALENT TO ANYTHING BUT ITSELF.

Pick 1 is pick 1. Picks 4 and 5 are picks 4 and 5. They don't magically fuse into pick 1 when boiled into a plasma jelly.

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