2020 Trade & List Management discussion

[Mego Red]

Dont forget big 'Brackets' Mc Govern also

We certainly have lost some real quality at market rates - Danger (loyal to his local area plus other family benefits) AND CC stand out (CC was Nobles brilliance at again getting quality players for unders, see also like Neale, Mc Carthy etc) - but also MOST player losses were for OFFERS WAY OVER market value at the time like Davis, Bock, Tippett, Mc Govern, Lever.

Not sure this point is acknowledged

Cameron was offered more than double his Crows wage by Brisbane. I don't know if that agrees with your point or not

 

[crow2crow]

Cameron was offered more than double his Crows wage by Brisbane. I don't know if that agrees with your point or not

cameron not worth the money he getting either.

this is why brad crouch actually ironically is worth more than many other players. when he does front up and is not injured he plays well. when was the last time he actually had a stinker. i can’t remember

 

[Mego Red]

Hypothetical

Should port be the club Crouch ends up agreeing to and if Rucci's mooted $2.6 Million / 4 year offer be on the mark and it is less than we need for Band 1, do we look to strike a deal with port where we won't match to force a trade (they have very little in the way of draft capital and would have to burn next years 1st at least in any deal if they have not traded other players out) accept band 2 compo and they let us take Jones at pick 8. I know that is losing brad for lower compo but Jones is quite highly rated and I am thinking he might be a better option than any other kid on the board at 8. Maybe we also use the band 2 compo and maybe atkins compo to trade back into the first round..just a left field thought to try and mitigate less compo than what we are thinking is possible

Jones walks around wearing his Port Power beanie already. He's 100% theirs.

 

[Mego Red]

Dangerfield was absolutely not market rate.

Market rate was band 1 compo.

 

[119others]

Cameron was offered more than double his Crows wage by Brisbane. I don't know if that agrees with your point or not

yes it does. we were paying unders and the apparent 550k ish for him by Lions was clearly more befitting of a top 2 small forward in the league. Interesting that he was again shopping himself around earlier this year hoping for another 200k ish next contract

 

[Mego Red]

ok what was his market rate then in 2015 (before the last large round of wage increases came in)? Purported salary of 800-850k paid by Geelong when leaving crows (which crows could have matched)?

Except Geelong could have afforded a lot more than that, and a lot more than we could have matched.

 

[119others]

cameron not worth the money he getting either.

this is why brad crouch actually ironically is worth more than many other players. when he does front up and is not injured he plays well. when was the last time he actually had a stinker. i can’t remember

you wouldnt pay him 550k for his last couple of years of output? ok, thats surprising

 

[Crow till I die]

Jones walks around wearing his Port Power beanie already. He's 100% theirs.

isnt that child abuse

 

[Mego Red]

I said ‘almost’. Not on par. Almost on par. And I’m backing that call in. They are top of the ladder. And a lot of that has to do with their younger players — which include Houston and BBJ. And trust me, Burgoyne and Jones will be as good as most GC kids coming through.

Let's not break our arm patting Port ******* Power on the back. They've been massively disappointing for a decade. I'm unconvinced of how they will still be without Boak, Ebert, Gray, Dixon, Westhoff, Hartlett, Rockliff, Motlop Jonas etc.

Time will tell. They've drafted a lot of mid-forwards recently. We'll see how they all go together.

 

[119others]

Except Geelong could have afforded a lot more than that, and a lot more than we could have matched.

ok this is a fairly peripheral point to what i was trying to make, which is that most of our players that have left for BIG money over-the-odd contracts havent actually worked out that well for new clubs like Brackets, Lever, Bock and Tiprat. Clearly Davis is the exception but was offered something like 800k on a contract we couldn't get near.

If Danger was offered 800-850k I dont think thats MATERIALLY (10-15%) away from his true market worth - anyway not a big point from my perspective.

 

[Mego Red]

yes it does. we were paying unders and the apparent 550k ish for him by Lions was clearly more befitting of a top 2 small forward in the league. Interesting that he was again shopping himself around earlier this year hoping for another 200k ish next contract

Yeah, they threw another $100k or so on is my understanding.

 

[crow2crow]

you wouldnt pay him 550k for his last couple of years of output? ok, thats surprising

what is he being paid now on his new deal?

 

[119others]

what is he being paid now on his new deal?

Its totally irrelevant to the issue at hand which is the deal done 5 years ago under the previous salary regime. But I estimate 1-1.1m now

 

[Mego Red]

what is he being paid now on his new deal?

Cameron? I think it's around $700k.

 

[crow2crow]

Cameron? I think it's around $700k.

yeh to me that’s a lot. still up and down like a

 

[119others]

what is he being paid now on his new deal?

sorry, i thought you were querying dangers salary - perhaps overlapping issues. i think Camerons new salary is in the vicinity of 650k (similar to what MegoMan) confirmed he has recently pushed for a pay rise earlier in the year. 650k for a top 2-3 small forward in the game seems right to me.

He was AA last year and is on his day potentially the hardest match up in the game.

 

[MRB37]

Jack Graham staying at the Tigers.

 

[crow2crow]

sorry, i thought you were querying dangers salary - perhaps overlapping issues. i think Camerons new salary is in the vicinity of 650k (similar to what MegoMan) confirmed he has recently pushed for a pay rise earlier in the year. 650k for a top 2-3 small forward in the game seems right to me.

He was AA last year and is on his day potentially the hardest match up in the game.

yeh look i loved cameron when we had him but he’s still inconsistent

 

[crow2crow]

Jack Graham staying at the Tigers.

not a big loss

 

[119others]

yeh look i loved cameron when we had him but he’s still inconsistent

its the nature of the position

 

[Mutineer]

Jack Graham staying at the Tigers.

 

[BACCS]

Jack Graham staying at the Tigers.

Good, not a need with our draft hand

 

[Chase13]

not a big loss

That’s good so Carlton miss out. Still need big bodied midfielder. Enter brad crouch with carltons paper bags full of cash as per McNugget. Bring it to the table. New suitor for b crouch 750 minimum. Deal done band 1 pick two thank you baggers

 

[ABAB]

I said ‘almost’. Not on par. Almost on par. And I’m backing that call in. They are top of the ladder. And a lot of that has to do with their younger players — which include Houston and BBJ. And trust me, Burgoyne and Jones will be as good as most GC kids coming through.

Almost is near the same....you would be laughed at even by the most bias Port Power supporter.

 

[THE_GUN]

Because he has missed a fair bit of footy over the years IF he is over his injury he may have quite a bit of footy left as his body should be less worn and torn than others of his age. But that is just me

II think this is the biggest question mark on Brad as nobody really doubts his ability or game but his body and its ability to hold up to play another 100 games is the issue. If he was durable he would easily attract alot higher offers but clubs would be cautious to carry such a contract in rehab if he has more extended injuries