2020 Trade & List Management discussion

[FAITH]

How can you guarantee that?

Phillips is already a better player than B.Crouch.

 

[Vader]

The way you talk about it, clubs have never told players who wanted to stay that their management should look for opportunities elsewhere. We just let any player who wants to stay have a spot on the list.

They do... but not when it's one of their best players, who is 12 months off winning the B&F.

Adelaide have done it in the past, most notably with Bernie Vince - after Vince made himself persona-non-grata with his constant off-field issues. They're not doing it to Brouch.

 

[Crow till I die]

Phillips is already a better player than B.Crouch.

In your opinion and that is fine but I am not so sure. A fit B Crouch has proven last year and in 2017 how good he is.

 

[FAITH]

Nicks has also said that he wants Brouch to stay. If Brouch wants to stay, then he'll be an Adelaide Crow in 2021 - there is no doubt about this whatsoever.

There are only 2 options here:

1. Brouch decides he wants to leave, exercising his rights as an RFA, and Adelaide receives pick #2.
2. Brouch re-signs at the AFC.

Right now, option #2 is looking like the red-hot favourite.

You really think Nicks would tell any of his players right now that he wants them gone?
Also it's not his decision entirely, its list managements decision too.

 

[Vader]

You really think Nicks would tell any of his players right now that he wants them gone?
Also it's not his decision entirely, its list managements decision too.

There's no chance of List Management letting him go voluntarily.

 

[FAITH]

In your opinion and that is fine but I am not so sure. A fit B Crouch has proven last year and in 2017 how good he is.

he is good, but Phillips and Hollands are already better and they're only 18.

 

[Mego Red]

Nicks has also said that he wants Brouch to stay. If Brouch wants to stay, then he'll be an Adelaide Crow in 2021 - there is no doubt about this whatsoever.

There are only 2 options here:

1. Brouch decides he wants to leave, exercising his rights as an RFA, and Adelaide receives pick #2.
2. Brouch re-signs at the AFC.

Right now, option #2 is looking like the red-hot favourite.

What an absolute simpleton's view on the situation.

Has Nicks told Brad that he's desperate for him to leave? Of course not, because who knows what will happen.

Has the club told Brad's management that he can leave with our blessing, if he gets a significant enough offer? It sounds like it ("I'd leave if it's the best thing for the club").

Have we also said that we have a $600k deal for him for a couple of years, if that becomes best for him due to lack of external interest? There's been rumours about that.

Brad absolutely wants to stay. It's makes much more sense for his family and quality of life.

Acknowledging that - when he leaves and we get pick 2, what will you say then?

 

[Johnny Rutten]

I don't care whether Brad stays or goes. But if he stays, we need to somehow manufacture another top-5 pick (or at least top-10) to get this rebuild moving, at an acceptable pace.

 

[Vader]

Acknowledging that - when he leaves and we get pick 2, what will you say then?

Money talks.

 

[FAITH]

It's purely based on whether the AFL offer us pick 2 compo for Brad. If so, he's gone, if not, he stays.
Pretty simple.

But please don't compare Brad to Phillips or Hollands, because he's no where near that level, never has been.

 

[Mego Red]

I'm happy to discuss potential trades. It's just that you keep coming up with a never-ending stream of Playstation Trades which should have been consigned to the Recycle Bin, before you even think about hitting "Post reply".

Laird's not going anywhere, no matter how many bizarre & loony trades you manage to concoct.

You mean Laird, who had been in bad form for two years and has a partner who would like to live interstate?

You mean Laird, who will be a free agent next year and who would have multiple suitors?

You mean Laird, who had played a position we had multiple players vying for (Milera, Hamill, Sholl, Smith) and who actually had trade currency, unlike most of our list?

What a foolish thing to stay. He is an obvious, obvious trade candidate.

Now he's reinvented himself, I hope he stays. As a midfielder, he can help cover the transition from our previous set of mids up to our future.

Yours is a problem of imagination. You're too narrow minded to consider things outside of your fishbowl view of the world.

 

[Mego Red]

They do... but not when it's one of their best players, who is 12 months off winning the B&F.

Adelaide have done it in the past, most notably with Bernie Vince - after Vince made himself persona-non-grata with his constant off-field issues. They're not doing it to Brouch.

Rubbish.

Vince had trade currency. That's why he was put up. He had suitors.

The off field stuff was irrelevant - so what if he dropped his dacks at a cricket club? The only relevant thing was his value was higher than his form. He'd been in shit form but still was attractive to opposition teams.

EXACTLY the same as Laird. EXACTLY.

 

[Mego Red]

There's no chance of List Management letting him go voluntarily.

What??

What? The? F*ck?

No chance they voluntarily let him go so we get pick 2??

Honestly, this opinion is so far from reality that you should step away from your computer and get some fresh air.

 

[cleanhands]

he is good, but Phillips and Hollands are already better and they're only 18.

 

[FAITH]

What??

What? The? F*ck?

No chance they voluntarily let him go so we get pick 2??

Honestly, this opinion is so far from reality that you should step away from your computer and get some fresh air.

Thought for a sec i was missing something, but it seems like Vader is a little ignorant with the current situation.

 

[Mr Alldayeveryday]

Nicks has also said that he wants Brouch to stay. If Brouch wants to stay, then he'll be an Adelaide Crow in 2021 - there is no doubt about this whatsoever.

There are only 2 options here:

1. Brouch decides he wants to leave, exercising his rights as an RFA, and Adelaide receives pick #2.
2. Brouch re-signs at the AFC.

Right now, option #2 is looking like the red-hot favourite.

It's mid August and his signature is still not on a new contract. There must be some crazy reason why, maybe a few 100k apart on the deal. #1. is more likely the crows could be offering unders on a short term deal to force B.Crouch to explore Free Agency and see what his market value is trying to get the best deal and situation for himself. If the head coach wants him to stay so bad why has he not signed yet? $$$$$

 

[Bearded Clam]

he is good, but Phillips and Hollands are already better and they're only 18.

So. Wait a second.. are you actually saying that phillips and hollands, who havent played a single game of football at the top level are already better than brad crouch.

if you are.. and I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt here... no matter how small that is..

Faark. me. dead..

Im sorry, but that is actually the dumbest thing i’ve ever seen written on this site since I joined in late 2017..

 

[Scorpus]

If we don't say we want to keep Brad Crouch, we have zero leverage during negotiations

 

[cleanhands]

So. Wait a second.. are you actually saying that phillips and hollands, who havent played a single game of football at the top level are already better than brad crouch.

if you are.. and I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt here... no matter how small that is..

Faark. me. dead..

Im sorry, but that is actually the dumbest thing i’ve ever seen written on this site since I joined in late 2017..

I’m hoping I read it wrong

 

[FAITH]

So. Wait a second.. are you actually saying that phillips and hollands, who havent played a single game of football at the top level are already better than brad crouch.

if you are.. and I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt here... no matter how small that is..

Faark. me. dead..

Im sorry, but that is actually the dumbest thing i’ve ever seen written on this site since I joined in late 2017..

I said the same about Rowell last year, and was proven correct.

*I dont think you realise how good these kids already are.

 

[GrommoT]

Yep... the fact that they'd rather keep Brouch.

The whole pick #2 thing is predicated on the assumption that Brouch wants to leave. If that assumption is wrong, then all bets are off.
...

Actually, it's predicated on there being enough interest from other clubs to offer Brad a large enough contract that results in getting a pick2 compo for us.

While it would be pretty good to have Brad as a one clubber, a pick 2 is better for us in the long run (and Brad might have chance at on field success) - Brad's pretty much has said so himself. I think club and Brad saying they happy for him to stay is just letting clubs know they need to pony up if they want him.

 

[Bearded Clam]

If we don't say we want to keep Brad Crouch, we have zero leverage during negotiations

Its pretty obvious whats going on..

both brad/his manager and the club have all got together and basically come to an mutual agreement...

Brad can explore his options and if the offers he gets are enough to get the club band 1 compo then he can take up FA and the club wont bother matching..

but if the offers dont result in band 1 compo type salary then brad isnt gonna bother leaving anyway and the club will be happy to keep him..

and really... if youre brad crouch.. why would you uproot your entire life to go live in a shithole like Melbourne where the cost of living/houses is way higher than Adelaide where he already has a set up... for pretty much the same money he’s already on?.. Makes little sense.

reports are he’s on about 600k at adelaide now... to get band 1 he needs to get 650 - 700k plus...

if he only gets offers of 600k or less.. why the **** would he even bother?.

In my opinion.. (read that twice please)..

his manager has already fielded a couple of 700k or more offers.. he pretty much knows he’s going and as usual.. his move wont be annouced till seasons end as is always the case.

but if it all falls over between now and then... the club and he are just as ready to continue with him on the list on around 600-700k a year contract that will take him to 30...

again, all in my opinion!!.. from just listenning to the things he’s said in recent weeks.

 

[Vader]

It's purely based on whether the AFL offer us pick 2 compo for Brad. If so, he's gone, if not, he stays.
Pretty simple.

But please don't compare Brad to Phillips or Hollands, because he's no where near that level, never has been.

The primary consideration is not the compo pick - it's whether or not Brad wants to stay. The club will definitely be making him an offer, and not pushing him out the door. Whether he accepts that offer, or someone makes him a Godfather offer, is another matter entirely.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

No one is saying you're going to take our reserves instead of pick two.

Clearly if the offer for Crouch is high enough, you will and should take pick two. Where the scenario that's being thrown up works is if you don't get band one and the FA compo is pick 20.

Then, instead of taking pick 20 you say okay let's do a bit better and you take pick 14-19 from Richmond along with a couple of promising young players that can't crack a game for us. In return for giving you the young players for nothing, you pay a portion of Crouch's salary.

But let me repeat, none of this happens if you get band one compo (which is still likely).

Please read my post before you start trying to pick at it and poke fun at it for being clueless.

Makes sense, but if there are a few clubs vying for Brads signature then you're highly unlikely to have Crows contribute some of his salary. You're likely to have fringe players thrown in as steak knives.

 

[Vader]

Rubbish.

Vince had trade currency. That's why he was put up. He had suitors.

The off field stuff was irrelevant - so what if he dropped his dacks at a cricket club? The only relevant thing was his value was higher than his form. He'd been in sh*t form but still was attractive to opposition teams.

EXACTLY the same as Laird. EXACTLY.

The off-field stuff is 100% the reason why he was shown the door. Yes, they wanted trade currency, due to the Pond Scum penalties. Vince made himself the obvious candidate, indeed the only candidate, by his off-field antics. It's nothing like Laird.