2020 Trade & List Management discussion

[Sanders]

Hello all, sort of new around here but what are the chances of us getting Graham from Richmond?

hopefully very, very small

why would we want him.

 

[Mego Red]

hopefully very, very small

why would we want him.

Strong leader, big body, from a good program, very strong pressure on the ball, wouldn't be expensive, adds to a VERY thin midfield.

 

[Thetrader15]

Its a pity you can’t develop if your own and keep them. Have Bass too, and Ladhams. Anything else?

How about Watts, Dixon, Motlop, Rockliff, McKenzie, Lycett, Burton, Sutcliffe, Buzza, Hinkley, Voss, Montgomery or Cornes?

 

[Mismatched]

I don’t want to intrude but it only works that way for 1 in 1 out. 2 out doesn’t equal a higher pick as we found out when we lost chaplain and Pearce in the same year. We got 2 second rounders that we were hoping would combine for a first but they had to be seperate picks.

this certainly appears to be how FA works in practice. Generally FA compo is announced within 24hrs of a player being signed which means often you’ve received compo before the next player might sign. As is classic AFL, they make it up as they go and generally don’t think things through particularly well when they’re initially announced.

 

[PowerBaz]

How about Watts, Dixon, Motlop, Rockliff, McKenzie, Lycett, Burton, Sutcliffe, Buzza, Hinkley, Voss, Montgomery or Cornes?

Definitely Mots.

 

[Mutineer]

Strong leader, big body, from a good program, very strong pressure on the ball, wouldn't be expensive, adds to a VERY thin midfield.

You missed the most important bit....stuffed shoulders, why do you think Neil Balme was so "matter of fact" when asked the other day about several other clubs rumoured to be showing interest (Essendon & Crows). Along the lines "We'd understand if he was looking elsewhere"...Surely there's alarm bells going off there and hardly fills you with confidence. Sounds like he already has one foot outside the door to me.

Balme: Richmond potentially open to Jack Graham trade request

“If he’s got somewhere he wants to go, we’ll certainly talk about it, but we’re very keen for him to stay."

www.sen.com.au

 

[Thetrader15]

You missed the most important bit....stuffed shoulders, why do you think Neil Balme was so "matter of fact" when asked the other day about several other clubs rumoured to be showing interest (Essendon & Crows). Along the lines "We'd understand if he was looking elsewhere"...Surely there's alarm bells going off there and hardly fills you with confidence. Sounds like he already has one foot outside the door to me.

Balme: Richmond potentially open to Jack Graham trade request

“If he’s got somewhere he wants to go, we’ll certainly talk about it, but we’re very keen for him to stay."

www.sen.com.au

DFA option at best. Personally, I'd rather give Polholke a better run at it.

 

[Thetrader15]

Definitely Mots.

You might have missed my point!

 

[BrendanAFCfan]

Its a pity you can’t develop if your own and keep them. Have Bass too, and Ladhams. Anything else?

Piss off Port feral.

 

[lunacy]

DFA option at best. Personally, I'd rather give Polholke a better run at it.

No way. Graham has at least proven himself on the biggest stage which even our best players were incapable of doing in 2017.
Graham in his 5th game destroyed Sloane and on top of that kicked 3 goals himself on the biggest stage.
I’m far from all in on Graham, but if you’re comparing him to Poholke? C’mon.

 

[kulak]

Strong leader, big body, from a good program, very strong pressure on the ball, wouldn't be expensive, adds to a VERY thin midfield.

Makes sense if he’s free and we are ditching both Crouch lads.

Sloane and the kids would be a pretty thin midfield

However if we are keeping at least one Crouch then no thankyou. Sloane plus a Crouch plus the kids is plenty.

 

[Mutineer]

Makes sense if he’s free and we are ditching both Crouch lads.

Sloane and the kids would be a pretty thin midfield

However if we are keeping at least one Crouch then no thankyou. Sloane plus a Crouch plus the kids is plenty.

How exactly is he free?

The only way he's free is if he walks to the pre-season draft and I don't see that happening with this lad.....we'll be ponying up a 2nd round pick if we want him badly enough.....I'm hoping it's just his management starting these rumours.

Jack Graham and Matt Crouch AFL Stats Comparison

Jack Graham and Matt Crouch AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

 

[kulak]

How exactly is he free?

The only way he's free is if he walks to the pre-season draft and I don't see that happening with this lad.....we'll be ponying up a 2nd round pick if we want him badly enough.....I'm hoping it's just his management starting these rumours.

Jack Graham and Matt Crouch AFL Stats Comparison

Jack Graham and Matt Crouch AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Sure, guess I should have said nearly free. Late pick and moderate salary.

Second round pick, no thankyou.

 

[Mego Red]

How exactly is he free?

The only way he's free is if he walks to the pre-season draft and I don't see that happening with this lad.....we'll be ponying up a 2nd round pick if we want him badly enough.....I'm hoping it's just his management starting these rumours.

Jack Graham and Matt Crouch AFL Stats Comparison

Jack Graham and Matt Crouch AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Free - as in a late third that we may not use, and in any event would be only a few points different than a pick at the end of the draft.

 

[Mego Red]

Getting late picks from clubs will be easy this year - stacks of sides won't end up using late picks.

 

[Mutineer]

Free - as in a late third that we may not use, and in any event would be only a few points different than a pick at the end of the draft.

And his history of shoulder issues?

 

[ForeverWinless]

Chayce JONES - Keep
Brad CROUCH - Leave for pick 2
Riley KNIGHT - Trade early third round
Lachlan MURPHY - Keep
Matt CROUCH - Trade second round
Bryce GIBBS - Sack please god - maybe trade for pick 60 if someone else as a hole they want filled
Jordan GALLUCCI - Trade Third
Jake KELLY - Trade Fourth
Rory SLOANE - Keep but if he wants out to chase a flag he deserves it
Myles POHOLKE - Keep; For now
Paul SEEDSMAN - Keep
Daniel TALIA - Keep
Taylor WALKER - Keep
David MACKAY - Retire
Kyle HARTIGAN - Keep
Luke BROWN - Keep
Will HAMILL - Keep
Tyson STENGLE - Keep
Ben CROCKER - Keep
Rory ATKINS - Trade Third
Billy FRAMPTON - Keep
Shane MCADAM - Keep
Josh WORRELL - Keep
Ned MCHENRY - Keep
Harry SCHOENBERG - Keep
Tom LYNCH - Keep
Ben KEAYS - Keep
Rory LAIRD - Keep
Wayne MILERA - Keep
Patrick WILSON - Keep
Darcy FOGARTY - Keep
Brodie SMITH - Keep
Elliott HIMMELBERG - Keep
Fischer MCASEY - Keep
Andrew MCPHERSON - Keep
Ronin O'CONNOR - Keep
Lachlan SHOLL - Keep
Tom DOEDEE - Keep
Ben DAVIS - Delist
Jordon BUTTS - Keep
Ayce TAYLOR - Keep
Reilly O'BRIEN - Keep
Lachlan GOLLANT - Keep
Kieran STRACHAN - Keep

Would ideally leave us pick

1 - 2 - Gws First Round -

2 Second round picks

5 Third

2 Fourth

 

[Mutineer]

Keep Harigan?
Keep Crocker?

Gallucci for a 3rd?
Riley Knight early 3rd round?

 

[1990crow]

Keep Harigan?
Keep Crocker?

Gallucci for a 3rd?
Riley Knight early 3rd round?

Keep Strachan and Wilson?

 

[Mutineer]

Keep Strachan and Wilson?

Strachan has to stay unless we can trade in better.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Chayce JONES - Keep
Brad CROUCH - Leave for pick 2
Riley KNIGHT - Trade early third round
Lachlan MURPHY - Keep
Matt CROUCH - Trade second round
Bryce GIBBS - Sack please god - maybe trade for pick 60 if someone else as a hole they want filled
Jordan GALLUCCI - Trade Third
Jake KELLY - Trade Fourth
Rory SLOANE - Keep but if he wants out to chase a flag he deserves it
Myles POHOLKE - Keep; For now
Paul SEEDSMAN - Keep
Daniel TALIA - Keep
Taylor WALKER - Keep
David MACKAY - Retire
Kyle HARTIGAN - Keep
Luke BROWN - Keep
Will HAMILL - Keep
Tyson STENGLE - Keep
Ben CROCKER - Keep
Rory ATKINS - Trade Third
Billy FRAMPTON - Keep
Shane MCADAM - Keep
Josh WORRELL - Keep
Ned MCHENRY - Keep
Harry SCHOENBERG - Keep
Tom LYNCH - Keep
Ben KEAYS - Keep
Rory LAIRD - Keep
Wayne MILERA - Keep
Patrick WILSON - Keep
Darcy FOGARTY - Keep
Brodie SMITH - Keep
Elliott HIMMELBERG - Keep
Fischer MCASEY - Keep
Andrew MCPHERSON - Keep
Ronin O'CONNOR - Keep
Lachlan SHOLL - Keep
Tom DOEDEE - Keep
Ben DAVIS - Delist
Jordon BUTTS - Keep
Ayce TAYLOR - Keep
Reilly O'BRIEN - Keep
Lachlan GOLLANT - Keep
Kieran STRACHAN - Keep

Would ideally leave us pick

1 - 2 - Gws First Round -

2 Second round picks

5 Third

2 Fourth

ForeverWinless - Ban

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Knight could have been picked up for free last year and had no takers. No ones going to pay anything for him one season later not being able to crack into a 0-17 team

 

[Sanders]

No way. Graham has at least proven himself on the biggest stage which even our best players were incapable of doing in 2017.
Graham in his 5th game destroyed Sloane and on top of that kicked 3 goals himself on the biggest stage.
I’m far from all in on Graham, but if you’re comparing him to Poholke? C’mon.

maybe we should recruit Adrian McAdam whilst we’re at it?

 

[Mego Red]

Chayce JONES - Keep
Brad CROUCH - Leave for pick 2
Riley KNIGHT - Trade early third round
Lachlan MURPHY - Keep
Matt CROUCH - Trade second round
Bryce GIBBS - Sack please god - maybe trade for pick 60 if someone else as a hole they want filled
Jordan GALLUCCI - Trade Third
Jake KELLY - Trade Fourth
Rory SLOANE - Keep but if he wants out to chase a flag he deserves it
Myles POHOLKE - Keep; For now
Paul SEEDSMAN - Keep
Daniel TALIA - Keep
Taylor WALKER - Keep
David MACKAY - Retire
Kyle HARTIGAN - Keep
Luke BROWN - Keep
Will HAMILL - Keep
Tyson STENGLE - Keep
Ben CROCKER - Keep
Rory ATKINS - Trade Third
Billy FRAMPTON - Keep
Shane MCADAM - Keep
Josh WORRELL - Keep
Ned MCHENRY - Keep
Harry SCHOENBERG - Keep
Tom LYNCH - Keep
Ben KEAYS - Keep
Rory LAIRD - Keep
Wayne MILERA - Keep
Patrick WILSON - Keep
Darcy FOGARTY - Keep
Brodie SMITH - Keep
Elliott HIMMELBERG - Keep
Fischer MCASEY - Keep
Andrew MCPHERSON - Keep
Ronin O'CONNOR - Keep
Lachlan SHOLL - Keep
Tom DOEDEE - Keep
Ben DAVIS - Delist
Jordon BUTTS - Keep
Ayce TAYLOR - Keep
Reilly O'BRIEN - Keep
Lachlan GOLLANT - Keep
Kieran STRACHAN - Keep

Would ideally leave us pick

1 - 2 - Gws First Round -

2 Second round picks

5 Third

2 Fourth

I like what you're doing - but those thirds are pretty much worthless.

An easier way to do this exercise is start with the out of contract players, and which ones you will delist and which re-sign.

Then go through contracted players that you may want to trade or "force retire". Maybe think who might want them and what a realistic value might be?

We won't delist too many players who are contracted - clubs just don't do that very often.

 

[Thetrader15]

How exactly is he free?

The only way he's free is if he walks to the pre-season draft and I don't see that happening with this lad.....we'll be ponying up a 2nd round pick if we want him badly enough.....I'm hoping it's just his management starting these rumours.

Jack Graham and Matt Crouch AFL Stats Comparison

Jack Graham and Matt Crouch AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

I think we can get him as a DFA, or worst a 4th. Richmond are pretty decent with giving fringe blokes games elsewhere for not much. Butler, Stengle and Townsend recent examples