2020 Trade & List Management discussion

[rabidcrow]

Because you give away solid role players and get nothing in return it’s not a deliberate rebuild ?

so a rebuild isn’t dependant on replacing experienced players and hitting the draft ?

I did agree it is a rebuild but I disagree it was planned early (certainly not well)
When rebuilding you would identify 2-3 senior players to trade to get up draft orders to pick elite talent. We haven’t done that. We have traded picks well which has compensated but our player trading hasn’t been great
Yes we moved heaps of players on - and I agree you need to keep a core group. Hindsight helps but if we were fully convinced of the rebuild we would have moved Brad last year


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[Crow Envy]

Is their another chance to get players during the year? Ideally there would be another draft half way through the year for players from this years draft year upwards. Gives the clubs a chance to view the players who didn’t play for half a year and the players a chance to push their case.

The only fair way of doing it is based on the last full season so we get pick 1

 

[hey shorty]

Is their another chance to get players during the year? Ideally there would be another draft half way through the year for players from this years draft year upwards. Gives the clubs a chance to view the players who didn’t play for half a year and the players a chance to push their case.

The only fair way of doing it is based on the last full season so we get pick 1

Yep there's 4 chances through the year apparently

 

[rabidcrow]

Yep there's 4 chances through the year apparently

We should push for the first round at least to be based on this year finishing positions. Not only did we not get access to the unianimous pick 1, we also had most players unavailable to play due to COVID. AFL also took any bargaining power we may have had over a Bulldogs by changing bidding rules

Worth a discussion with head office


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[Danger Zone]

Just another example of how **** sure you were... yet so, so wrong.

No one on this board takes you seriously...

It's honestly a waste of time engaging with him. Pretty sure he is the only profile on my ignore list.

 

[deeztreez]

The club is soon good at drafting which is why we are deadset last

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Hurrah! Marty’s back...

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Heard on first ADEL Hub stint, players did not enjoy hub life ......probably didn't help that a proportion of players did not come back in good condition for the R2 match

 

[dylan123]

Richmond were moaning about the hub for quite some time too.

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[Thetrader15]

Richmond were moaning about the hub for quite some time too.

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Richmond probably didn't mind the hub because their players weren't that fussed about staying in it.

 

[DJ75]

Richmond probably didn't mind the hub because their players weren't that fussed about staying in it.

Or their partners...

 

[Sanders]

You’re delusional and all on your own other than 1970 who is living 2 years in the past

it was a planned restructure of the list /rebuild

average age and average games played round 1 next year will show the youngest or second youngest team in comp

even if Dmac plays ( and no , I don’t think Dmac should be on the list )

blah blah I’ll take apart the stupidity of your argument later

now stop shirking, who are these “every decent judges “ you talked about before? Who!?!

 

[LoBu]

The Rebuild:

2018 - best draft hand ever
2019 - highest pick ever
2020 - best draft hand and highest pick ever
2021 - highest pick ever

That's four years folks.

 

[rabidcrow]

The Rebuild:

2018 - best draft hand ever - and so far a fail
2019 - highest pick ever - some promise
2020 - best draft hand and highest pick ever - critical year
2021 - highest pick ever

That's four years folks.

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[WaynesWorld19]

Mackay will be one .....

 

[Scorpus]

Mackay will be one .....

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No he won't

 

[hey shorty]

Mackay will be one .....

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Is that contracted or uncontracted players ??

Seems strange

 

[hey shorty]

No he won't

We don't have anyone to move, I doubt whether we'll be a club that does it.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Is that contracted or uncontracted players ??

Seems strange

Contracted

 

[hey shorty]

No he won't

I'd be happy if he was

 

[Redline]

The end of next year will be interesting.

A LOT of contracts coming up.

I could see six senior list and a rookie spot opening up without too much fuss, and that's before any strategic trading or free agency loss.

DELISTINGS AND RETIREMENTS
Ben Davis

40

Ben Davis

Age

28

Ht

189cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.0

1star

K

3.5

1star

HB

2.5

2star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.5

3star

MG

169.0

3star

D

5.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.0

3star

MG

169.0

3star

D

6.0

2star

K

3.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.5

4star

MG

169.0

3star

2021
David Mackay

14

David Mackay

Age

37

Ht

181cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.7

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

3.2

5star

MG

315.4

4star

D

16.5

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

9.5

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.0

3star

MG

265.5

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.2

3star

2021 UFA
Jake Kelly

29

Jake Kelly

Age

30

Ht

190cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.5

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.6

4star

MG

157.8

2star

D

8.1

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

104.1

2star

D

14.8

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

6.0

5star

T

4.2

5star

MG

107.0

2star

2021 RFA
Kieran Strachan 2021
Lachlan Murphy

4

Lachlan Murphy

Age

27

Ht

178cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

8.8

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

G

1.0

4star

2021
Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

33

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

2021
Taylor Walker

13

Taylor Walker

Age

35

Ht

192cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.7

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

1.6

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.6

5star

2021 UFA

YOUTH - RE-SIGNED
Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

26

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

2021
Darcy Fogarty

32

Darcy Fogarty

Age

26

Ht

192cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.5

2star

K

5.7

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.7

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

2.3

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.0

4star

2021
Fischer McAsey

3

Fischer Mcasey

Age

24

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.8

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

3.5

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.3

3star

MG

102.3

2star

D

6.8

1star

K

3.3

1star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.3

2star

MG

102.3

2star

D

7.2

2star

K

3.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.6

4star

MG

114.8

2star

2021
Harry Schoenberg 2021
Jordon Butts 2021
Josh Worrell 2021
Lachlan Gollant 2021
Reilly O'Brien

43

Reilly O'brien

Age

30

Ht

201cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.4

4star

K

5.9

2star

HB

8.5

5star

CL

1.6

4star

HO

23.8

5star

D

14.4

3star

K

5.9

2star

HB

8.5

4star

CL

1.6

4star

HO

23.8

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

24.8

5star

2021
Ronin O'Connor 2021
Shane McAdam

23

Shane Mcadam

Age

30

Ht

186cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.5

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.3

5star

G

0.8

4star

D

6.5

1star

K

4.8

2star

HB

1.8

1star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.3

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

6.5

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.3

5star

G

0.8

4star

2021
Tom Doedee

12

Tom Doedee

Age

28

Ht

190cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

5.6

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

228.8

4star

D

15.3

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

5.8

3star

M

6.3

5star

T

1.3

2star

MG

228.8

3star

D

19.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

9.4

5star

M

6.6

5star

T

1.4

4star

2021

SENIOR PLAYERS
Brodie Smith

33

Brodie Smith

Age

33

Ht

194cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.5

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

500.1

5star

D

17.1

4star

K

12.6

5star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

MG

438.9

5star

D

17.2

5star

K

10.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.6

5star

2021 UFA
Daniel Talia

12

Daniel Talia

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

169.9

3star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.5

2star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.1

2star

MG

187.6

3star

D

11.4

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

3.4

5star

2021 RFA
Matt Crouch

5

Matt Crouch

Age

30

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

2021 RFA
Rory Laird

29

Rory Laird

Age

31

Ht

178cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.4

5star

K

12.9

5star

HB

12.5

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.3

4star

MG

367.5

5star

D

19.6

5star

K

10.9

4star

HB

8.7

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

MG

255.3

4star

D

14.6

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

4.0

5star

2021 RFA
Tom Lynch 2021 RFA

The end of 2021 is a worry, far too many on that list that we probably should let go. That will be our third off season where we have been cleaning up mistakes of the past. As I have said before I don't think we went anywhere near hard enough in this off season.

 

[rabidcrow]

Mackay will be one .....

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GC must be struggling to work their list around with all the pre list players so AFL create a rule for them to move some contracted players onto there rookie list so they can fit the extra one or two in.

Watch them now fit Lake in - no way this rule hasn’t been bought in to assist one or two clubs




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[Mr MysteryGuest]

The end of 2021 is a worry, far too many on that list that we probably should let go. That will be our third off season where we have been cleaning up mistakes of the past. As I have said before I don't think we went anywhere near hard enough in this off season.

why? We’ve moved on 10 players this year. Why would moving on 8 next year be a big deal?

 

[1970crow]

No he won't

It's a status thing. He's earned a spot on the senior list through tenure, even if it has no bearing on anything other than opening up a spot for a draft slider, we won't do it. It would be a decent step forward if we did. No downside, small potential for upside, meaningless optics ignored. But can we ignore meaningless optics.

 

[Thetrader15]

The end of 2021 is a worry, far too many on that list that we probably should let go. That will be our third off season where we have been cleaning up mistakes of the past. As I have said before I don't think we went anywhere near hard enough in this off season.

From the list there are 7 delistings/retirements which I agree with.

Butts to the senior list at this stage, so 6 picks in the strong draft.

Done!

 

[Mego Red]

The end of 2021 is a worry, far too many on that list that we probably should let go. That will be our third off season where we have been cleaning up mistakes of the past. As I have said before I don't think we went anywhere near hard enough in this off season.

Maybe - though I think rebuilding teams SHOULD be moving on 8+ players each year. It's just an issue if we don't have the draft assets to rebuild with talented youth, or we DON'T do the significant rebuild.