List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Thread - Part I

[BrutThough]

if essendon get him they might as well just announce the salary cap as dead, like in a big way

Fantasia and Daniher both leaving would clear a lot from their cap.

 

[bird_man]

if essendon get him they might as well just announce the salary cap as dead, like in a big way

Daniher will free up a lot of space if he goes

 

[StCicatriz]

Daniher will free up a lot of space if he goes

will any club touch him? dr peter larkins spoke about the injury and tbh it sounds like career over. his last option was completely untried for sports people and involved fusing the bone in the groin.

 

[gringo2011]

Essendon should be going hard for him, would suit them perfectly and an easy trade with Fantasia going to Port.

They must be tight for cap space.

 

[bird_man]

will any club touch him? dr peter larkins spoke about the injury and tbh it sounds like career over. his last option was completely untried for sports people and involved fusing the bone in the groin.

Maybe not, but either way he won't be on a lot of money

 

[Enclosed_Animal]

but the problem is the list demographic is also ageing. you have quite a few important pieces at the end of their 20s or above. majority of it in the mids to late 20s. then a bunch of kids, some good prospects but a lot really unknown.

Since George shut the coronavirus / political correctness thread, that would have to the most ridiculous comment I have seen in here.

We have 9 players on our list 27 or above.
Ryan Abbott and Nathan Brown are pure break in case of emergency, and Ryder is a 32yo backup ruck to allow Marshall to develop. Hardly important pieces

Geary, Roberton, Sav and Carlisle are all backman. Moreover, Geary and Roberton have clear young heirs to their position (who as it stands this week are probably already better players) and Savage is now pretty much break in case of emergency (like Brown or Abbott). Regardless, 7 of the 9 players on our list 27+ are not even mids!

Of the exactly 2 mids on our list 27+, one is Ross (who is just 27yo and one month) and one is Hanners (who is 29 but has 4 years left on a contract).

Our mid group is then Marshall (24), Steele (24), Gresh (22), Billings (24), Clark (21), Dunstan (25) and Hill (26). Barring injury (or a dropoff in form), all have 5+ years left in the game.

So outside of Carlisle (who is not a mid which you were discussing) and Hanners (who after just 6 games, and with 4 years left on a contract, you say needs replacing), we have exactly 0 "important pieces at the end of their 20s or above"

Any teenager we draft now, can conceivably play 150 games before players like Billings / Steele / Marshall even hit 30.

If we have an 'ageing list demographic', then the 15 or so teams with older lists must all be absolutely faarked

 

[ScrappyDo]

As much as I like Dustan. If we walked Caldwell and Wines through the Door. Port walked Hately and Dustan and GWS walked two firsts through the door, lookout that’s a huge win.

St Kilda get: Caldwell and Wines

Port get: Dustan and Hately

GWS get: two first rounds, (maybe they’d be interested in future’s as 2021 is a super draft). So St Kilda’s 2021 first and Port’s 2020. ,(Schofield)

Just my opinion, but next year's first stays quarantined for Bing..

 

[ScrappyDo]

Hold your horses. I’m keeping Wilkie. The rest is brilliant though.

I couldn't see getting later picks back with only Dunny in that trade.
I'd also prefer keep Wilkie, but at the end of the day we can cover his loss and tip the value into the midfield where it's needed.

 

[StCicatriz]

Since George shut the coronavirus / political correctness thread, that would have to the most ridiculous comment I have seen in here.

We have 9 players on our list 27 or above.
Ryan Abbott and Nathan Brown are pure break in case of emergency, and Ryder is a 32yo backup ruck to allow Marshall to develop. Hardly important pieces

Geary, Roberton, Sav and Carlisle are all backman. Moreover, Geary and Roberton have clear young heirs to their position (who as it stands this week are probably already better players) and Savage is now pretty much break in case of emergency (like Brown or Abbott). Regardless, 7 of the 9 players on our list 27+ are not even mids!

Of the exactly 2 mids on our list 27+, one is Ross (who is just 27yo and one month) and one is Hanners (who is 29 but has 4 years left on a contract).

Our mid group is then Marshall (24), Steele (24), Gresh (22), Billings (24), Clark (21), Dunstan (25) and Hill (26). Barring injury (or a dropoff in form), all have 5+ years left in the game.

So outside of Carlisle (who is not a mid which you were discussing) and Hanners (who after just 6 games, and with 4 years left on a contract, you say needs replacing), we have exactly 0 "important pieces at the end of their 20s or above"

Any teenager we draft now, can conceivably play 150 games before players like Billings / Steele / Marshall even hit 30.

If we have an 'ageing list demographic', then the 15 or so teams with older lists must all be absolutely faarked

hang on wait... i don't think it's as ridiculous as you think, especially considering you basically ignored the point of my post and started excluding the players i was referring to or skipping over them.

your excluding players i had included that are near the end of their careers:
- carlisle
- geary
- hanners
- roberton
- savage (was on this list but looks to be surpassed by Long, but time will tell)

it's easy to just say well we can find replacements or they're not important, but you need replacements who can match or exceed their level at their peak and take us to finals.

then you say this:

Our mid group is then Marshall (24), Steele (24), Gresh (22), Billings (24), Clark (21), Dunstan (25) and Hill (26). Barring injury (or a dropoff in form), all have 5+ years left in the game.

you've literally completely ignored our best mid Hill here who is 27 in 1 month. Ross our next best mid is 27. that's two of your best 2 mids you will have to replace in 2-3 years, keeping in mind you probably need to exceed the quality we found in Ross, who can be inconsistent. add hanners to it, that's 3.

leaving Steele, Dunstan and Billings. Billings is 25 in a couple of months. both are at an age where what you see is what you're gonna get. if you're banking on any of these 3 significantly changing our fortunes and going it alone without Hill, Ross and Hanners then you're much more optimistic than me. Steele, Dunstan and Billings will be 27-29.

it's easy to just say it's 2 mids. but we haven't been able to draft and develop one elite mid since Stuv, who was drafted in.

also membrey is 26, there's another you're looking at replacing inside 5 years. our best forward!!!

you're putting all your eggs in the basket of Clark, Coffield, Gresham, Marshall or that we will be able to draft and develop a kid in the upcoming drafts. which again you need them to be playing excellent footy inside 3-5 years whilst the others are still there, which can be very hard to do as we have seen. remembering Gresham has been at the club for what is it 4 seasons and still hasn't locked down a full time mid position!!!

 

[mightymalaka]

will any club touch him? dr peter larkins spoke about the injury and tbh it sounds like career over. his last option was completely untried for sports people and involved fusing the bone in the groin.

Thinking about fusing my bone into my groin! Anything to avoid the dreaded soft droop! I'm thinking it may just revive my career! Then I'm sure all the club's will want to touch me! Dr Peter Larkins can keep his busy hands to himself though!

 

[plugger66]

will any club touch him? dr peter larkins spoke about the injury and tbh it sounds like career over. his last option was completely untried for sports people and involved fusing the bone in the groin.

Doesn’t matter whether they will touch him or not. He is out of contract. They would certainly have enough money. Don’t even get your point about the salary cap.

 

[The_Steadier]

So if we can’t develop them or trade for them then how do we get them. We can’t just accept finishing bottom 6 every year.

We keep trying to trade for A graders and improve our drafting/scouting.

Sounds like the impending covid enforced salary cap cuts should help shake some A graders loose.
Hopefully we haven't blown our great salary cap position on guys like hill, howard and jones and we are in a good spot to wave big bucks at any stars who dont want to take a big pay cut next year and beyond

 

[stavro#4]

Just my opinion, but next year's first stays quarantined for Bing..

We won’t be touching Bing until roughly 2023/24.

His current contract is huge. He will take another 2 year deal on similar coin most likely as the suns will be on the up. It’s after this contract where we will push. In my opinion.

 

[stavro#4]

We keep trying to trade for A graders and improve our drafting/scouting.

Sounds like the impending covid enforced salary cap cuts should help shake some A graders loose.
Hopefully we haven't blown our great salary cap position on guys like hill, howard and jones and we are in a good spot to wave big bucks at any stars who dont want to take a big pay cut next year and beyond

The cap is completely fine.

The clubs that have massive caps this year are because 30% of their lists are out of contract. We will potentially lose Carlisle which is significant cap space this year. Hill and Hanners remain.
We will gain McCartin salary space back. Robbo would be in a big deal aswell.

I don’t think we will be a big player overall bar 1 or 2 deals. But would love to reinvest Carlisle into picks.

 

[The_Steadier]

Since George shut the coronavirus / political correctness thread, that would have to the most ridiculous comment I have seen in here.

We have 9 players on our list 27 or above.
Ryan Abbott and Nathan Brown are pure break in case of emergency, and Ryder is a 32yo backup ruck to allow Marshall to develop. Hardly important pieces

Geary, Roberton, Sav and Carlisle are all backman. Moreover, Geary and Roberton have clear young heirs to their position (who as it stands this week are probably already better players) and Savage is now pretty much break in case of emergency (like Brown or Abbott). Regardless, 7 of the 9 players on our list 27+ are not even mids!

Of the exactly 2 mids on our list 27+, one is Ross (who is just 27yo and one month) and one is Hanners (who is 29 but has 4 years left on a contract).

Our mid group is then Marshall (24), Steele (24), Gresh (22), Billings (24), Clark (21), Dunstan (25) and Hill (26). Barring injury (or a dropoff in form), all have 5+ years left in the game.

So outside of Carlisle (who is not a mid which you were discussing) and Hanners (who after just 6 games, and with 4 years left on a contract, you say needs replacing), we have exactly 0 "important pieces at the end of their 20s or above"

Any teenager we draft now, can conceivably play 150 games before players like Billings / Steele / Marshall even hit 30.

If we have an 'ageing list demographic', then the 15 or so teams with older lists must all be absolutely faarked

In short, we have an old/average age list but a young best 22, and very young midfield.

I agree.

After 8 years without finals, this is a very crappy position to be in.

 

[The_Steadier]

The cap is completely fine.

The clubs that have massive caps this year are because 30% of their lists are out of contract. We will potentially lose Carlisle which is significant cap space this year. Hill and Hanners remain.
We will gain McCartin salary space back. Robbo would be in a big deal aswell.

I don’t think we will be a big player overall bar 1 or 2 deals. But would love to reinvest Carlisle into picks.

I'm praying for GWS to win the flag this year.
Jelly then declares mission accomplished and exercises his contractual right to walk out on the giants and into our moneytruck.... i mean arms.

His mate lachie whitfield meanwhile doesn't want to take a covid paycut, and instead exercises his free agent right to join jelly in our moneytruck... i mean arms.

 

[stavro#4]

I'm praying for GWS to win the flag this year.
Jelly then declares mission accomplished and exercises his contractual right to walk out on the giants and into our moneytruck.... i mean arms.

You mean North Melbourne

 

[The_Steadier]

You mean North Melbourne

I'd much rather be squaring off against norf for a guy like jelly rather than one of the big clubs.

 

[gringo2011]

Just my opinion, but next year's first stays quarantined for Bing..

Because what we really need is another tall back. Mids are so overrated.

 

[gringo2011]

The cap is completely fine.

The clubs that have massive caps this year are because 30% of their lists are out of contract. We will potentially lose Carlisle which is significant cap space this year. Hill and Hanners remain.
We will gain McCartin salary space back. Robbo would be in a big deal aswell.

I don’t think we will be a big player overall bar 1 or 2 deals. But would love to reinvest Carlisle into picks.

Carlisle might get us something similar to Bruce, probably around a late 3 round pick at best IMO. He has hardly played any footy in 5 years. He hasn't even hit 50 games for us yet and his back is ****ed. Bruce was a prime aged FF with a very resilient body.

 

[ScrappyDo]

We won’t be touching Bing until roughly 2023/24.

His current contract is huge. He will take another 2 year deal on similar coin most likely as the suns will be on the up. It’s after this contract where we will push. In my opinion.

I just think we'll be maintaining a suitable exchange in the event Ben decieds he's had enough of his time at GC.
And for their part GC know they've got someone who can be traded for 2x firsts any given year, should they need it for other deals.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Because what we really need is another tall back. Mids are so overrated.

I don't disagree, but Bing is a different case. We'll take him at any opportunity, and so we should.

I do however think our mid shortage will be solved faster than you think.
With list numbers being trimmed, Jake nearing the end, Joyce and Brownie hopefully finishing this year, we're only left with Doogs and Austin as KPDs.
You can also draw a line through Gears, Sav and Dmac.

If living in fantasy trade land, I'd hope to secure Caldwell and Williams this off season with room for one more, plus a 1st round pick.

I think the list will balance out this year without much drama.

 

[BrutThough]

We won’t be touching Bing until roughly 2023/24.

His current contract is huge. He will take another 2 year deal on similar coin most likely as the suns will be on the up. It’s after this contract where we will push. In my opinion.

Does anyone know whether the Covid cutbacks have affected the 'stay on the gold coast' ambassador payments from the AFL?

With many people losing their jobs and taking payouts, surely the AFL cant afford to pay these players extra amounts just to not leave.

 

[The_Steadier]

Does anyone know whether the Covid cutbacks have affected the 'stay on the gold coast' ambassador payments from the AFL?

With many people losing their jobs and taking payouts, surely the AFL cant afford to pay these players extra amounts just to not leave.

The AFL have plowed obscene money into expanding into GWS and GC.

Covid 19 cutbacks don't mean that it no longer makes sense to prop them up onfield to help get a return on that massive investment.

If anything, the leagues recovery is even more dependant on new growth (in nsw and qld) as a selling point to sponsors and advertisers that will be cutting their own costs and being more risk adverse.

Support for the expansion teams will be the last thing cut i reckon- the league are too deep in the hole to turn back now.

Women's footy on the other hand... chop chop chop.
Sure that is another area of growth the league would want to sell to potential sponsors and advertisers- but the leagues investment to date is far less and at a far earlier stage than gc and gws.

If/when things get super tight and current sponsors and advertisers start dropping off because the economy is in the toilet (and companies marketing budgets are slashed), womens footy will be in the crosshairs

 

[gringo2011]

Stephenson would be nice.

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