List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Thread - Part I

[ScrappyDo]

100% agree with you’re statement about DGB. I just think that in my own mind he is a talent kid. Drafts for picking up talent and the trade table is for needs, but I think if we have one pick in the top 10 it has to be Trew.

Battle being played in defence at all proves that we have a need for a DGB, look at what happened in R1, the midfield stopped and the defence were manhandled by North. If Battle going out gives us the ability for a kid like Barrass, he goes.

Personally, I’m not a huge fan of Stone, I think someone like Sam Berry better suits our needs and will be about the same range 15-20.

Mids do need attention hence Trew over DGB, but I think it forward line is our best group, maybe minor tweaks at the trade table, but no forward in the first round.

For this trade period to be a success Caldwell must get to the Saints, (if he leaves GWS). JDG is one of those players like Hilly, just bleeds class, Williams would also be good, nice endurance, disposal, etc, but if I’m picking between JDG or Williams it has to be De Goey.

However I think there are enough talents this year at the draft to verify a first round pick. At the trade table Caldwell and two of (Crouch, Wines) or (De Goey, Williams), would make me very happy. Brackets indicate players that I’d be happy to recieve one off. E.g Crouch or Wines. At the draft I’d love to walk away with both DGB and Trew, but would also be satisfied just Trew, as he is a good inside player and gets his own ball, e.g our biggest need.

I guess we'll just have to see how the season pans out and what pick we end up with.
I tend to think a pick that will get Trew would also mean a disappointing result.

I agree we need to make a point of Caldwell if available.
He's young enough in my mind to be considered a draftee, same as Bytel.

I'm not too sure how many young guys mids we should have given Clark, Bytel, "Caldwell" and Byrnes with one or two more senior players pushed in there too.
I'd happily look at Archie Perkins as a slightly different type should we end up around 9th, still with an eye to one more late value pick.
Wouldn't trade Battle for quids though. We may not have a choice in the end, but there's about 15 guys I'd trade first..

 

[ScrappyDo]

For the overall draft, it went really smoothly. The draft talent at the top is not as good as it has been for the last years, bar JUH. But I think as you have picked up the draft talent runs deeper.

I think that a successful offseason includes ethier Caldwell/ Trew and DGB, the other that I rate highly are Sam Berry and Breaden Campbell, (tied to Sydney). Outside of the first round I rate Bailey Laurie, Errol Gulden, (tied to Sydney), Josh Clarke, and Saxon Crozier.

On the trade front, even though you didn’t ask, (but it does impact the draft front), I think we should throw 1.5M at the Pies and grab De Goey for free, I then think we should give North Melbourne Josh Battle, our second round 2021 and Shane Savage to North for pick 2 and their 2nd round pick 2021. We then give North’s 2021 second round to GWS for Jye Caldwell.

Pick 2: Deven Grainger Barrass
Pick 5: Bid on Breaden Campbell, (props matched)
Pick 6: Zane Trew.

The trades:
One
De Goey, (outbuy Collingwood, 1.5M over 4 years)
Two
North get: Josh Battle, Shane Savage and a 2021 second round
St Kilda get: Pick 2 and a 2021 second round
Three
St Kilda get: Jye Caldwell
GWS get: North 2021 second round

Not to be a stinker, but the main board says JDG is OOC, not RFA.
I don't think we're a chance unfortunately. But he is the type we need very badly...

I've spent far too much time already looking at the trades/draft for this time of year.

Over all l wouldn't be fussed if we skip this years draft all together, and outside of Williams or Wines, neither of whom are really elite, there's not many senior players to look at since we took care of those needs last year.

I'm pretty sure Ben King remains the open priority for the club, hence the rigid desire to keep our first pick.
If we don't get him over this off-season l can only see our 1st pick being traded for another player or a future 1st most likely.

With the list reductions coming it seems the value points this year are later picks and DFA's, and the scramble for high picks and FS/NGA points will place demand on our 1st and two 4ths.

With next year's draft class already being talked up, and the unlucky ones this year going in as over-agers, it's shaping up like a bumper crop.
I'd be putting my draft eggs in that basket

Some may disagree, but since our major need is an elite mid or two, I'd facilitate it by trading Ross, Carlisle, Sav, and delisting Gears, Brownie, Philips, Joyce and Dmac. Along with Stuv's salary, that will free up a bunch of cash and just enough spots for Williams, Caldwell, Paddy and another DFA.
Hit next year with two 1st picks, two 2nd picks and two 3rds

 

[plugger66]

Not to be a stinker, but the main board says JDG is OOC, not RFA.
I don't think we're a chance unfortunately. But he is the type we need very badly...

I've spent far too much time already looking at the trades/draft for this time of year.

Over all l wouldn't be fussed if we skip this years draft all together, and outside of Williams or Wines, neither of whom are really elite, there's not many senior players to look at since we took care of those needs last year.

I'm pretty sure Ben King remains the open priority for the club, hence the rigid desire to keep our first pick.
If we don't get him over this off-season l can only see our 1st pick being traded for another player or a future 1st most likely.

With the list reductions coming it seems the value points this year are later picks and DFA's, and the scramble for high picks and FS/NGA points will place demand on our 1st and two 4ths.

With next year's draft class already being talked up, and the unlucky ones this year going in as over-agers, it's shaping up like a bumper crop.
I'd be putting my draft eggs in that basket

Some may disagree, but since our major need is an elite mid or two, I'd facilitate it by trading Ross, Carlisle, Sav, and delisting Gears, Brownie, Philips, Joyce and Dmac. Along with Stuv's salary, that will free up a bunch of cash and just enough spots for Williams, Caldwell, Paddy and another DFA.
Hit next year with two 1st picks, two 2nd picks and two 3rds

How do we get a first. Carlisle no savage not worth anything and if Seb is as ordinary as you think again no.

 

[gringo2011]

Not to be a stinker, but the main board says JDG is OOC, not RFA.
I don't think we're a chance unfortunately. But he is the type we need very badly...

I've spent far too much time already looking at the trades/draft for this time of year.

Over all l wouldn't be fussed if we skip this years draft all together, and outside of Williams or Wines, neither of whom are really elite, there's not many senior players to look at since we took care of those needs last year.

I'm pretty sure Ben King remains the open priority for the club, hence the rigid desire to keep our first pick.
If we don't get him over this off-season l can only see our 1st pick being traded for another player or a future 1st most likely.

With the list reductions coming it seems the value points this year are later picks and DFA's, and the scramble for high picks and FS/NGA points will place demand on our 1st and two 4ths.

With next year's draft class already being talked up, and the unlucky ones this year going in as over-agers, it's shaping up like a bumper crop.
I'd be putting my draft eggs in that basket

Some may disagree, but since our major need is an elite mid or two, I'd facilitate it by trading Ross, Carlisle, Sav, and delisting Gears, Brownie, Philips, Joyce and Dmac. Along with Stuv's salary, that will free up a bunch of cash and just enough spots for Williams, Caldwell, Paddy and another DFA.
Hit next year with two 1st picks, two 2nd picks and two 3rds

Why would we want King now? We have Dougal, Carlisle, King, Marshall, Brown, Austin, Battle, Membrey, Clavarino, Bell, Wilke, Joyce and Marsh that can play as KPs. I'd take Williams over him in a heart beat.

 

[Mowman]

Why would we want King now? We have Dougal, Carlisle, King, Marshall, Brown, Austin, Battle, Membrey, Clavarino, Bell, Wilke, Joyce and Marsh that can play as KPs. I'd take Williams over him in a heart beat.

Because King looks like a really good player already and Carlisle will move on at the end of this year Brown is done Austin good chance of being moved on, Joyce won’t be on our list next year , Clavarino 50/50 for next year and I think Battle is good chance to look elsewhere

 

[ScrappyDo]

How do we get a first. Carlisle no savage not worth anything and if Seb is as ordinary as you think again no.

Swap this year's into next year.
Dogs, Swans, Filth and Freo are all tied up with first round NGAs this year. It'll still depend on where we finish

 

[Impatient Saint]

Swap this year's into next year.
Dogs, Swans, Filth and Freo are all tied up with first round NGAs this year. It'll still depend on where we finish

Ive said it before but we were absolutley asleep at the wheel when they divied up the NGA zones, it will hurt us for years. So much for the AFL equalisation policy, however the fact all the clubs have NGA commitments might work in our favour - there might be a player we rate slip through. We still have our first round selection so hopefully we can pick up a Lenny Hayes esq midfielder from the group.

I dont know how strong this years draft is but if Carlisle doesnt fire this year perhaps we let him go for late 1st/2nd pick.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Why would we want King now? We have Dougal, Carlisle, King, Marshall, Brown, Austin, Battle, Membrey, Clavarino, Bell, Wilke, Joyce and Marsh that can play as KPs. I'd take Williams over him in a heart beat.

We would want him because we want him. Aside from Max, none of those you mention have anywhere close to the upside that Bing possesses.
He plays CHF, CHB, Ruck chop out, he won the GF sprint, he's a saints supporter, his twin is our new FF and he's looks like a bloody good player in his own right.
We tried to get him in his draft year, and again last year, and we saved our first round this year.
Saints want Bing, end of story..
Only Max and Marshall would be off limits in that scenario. .

 

[plugger66]

Ive said it before but we were absolutley asleep at the wheel when they divied up the NGA zones, it will hurt us for years. So much for the AFL equalisation policy, however the fact all the clubs have NGA commitments might work in our favour - there might be a player we rate slip through. We still have our first round selection so hopefully we can pick up a Lenny Hayes esq midfielder from the group.

I dont know how strong this years draft is but if Carlisle doesnt fire this year perhaps we let him go for late 1st/2nd pick.

We have a fantastic area so I’m not sure we were asleep at the wheel.

 

[plugger66]

We would want him because we want him. Aside from Max, none of those you mention have anywhere close to the upside that Bing possesses.
He plays CHF, CHB, Ruck chop out, he won the GF sprint, he's a saints supporter, his twin is our new FF and he's looks like a bloody good player in his own right.
We tried to get him in his draft year, and again last year, and we saved our first round this year.
Saints want Bing, end of story..
Only Max and Marshall would be off limits in that scenario. .

I’d rather commit to a mid if it becomes a choice. If that midfield isn’t fixed you could have plugger and he would struggle.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Ive said it before but we were absolutley asleep at the wheel when they divied up the NGA zones, it will hurt us for years. So much for the AFL equalisation policy, however the fact all the clubs have NGA commitments might work in our favour - there might be a player we rate slip through. We still have our first round selection so hopefully we can pick up a Lenny Hayes esq midfielder from the group.

I dont know how strong this years draft is but if Carlisle doesnt fire this year perhaps we let him go for late 1st/2nd pick.

From all observers this draft is fairly poor. Opinions vary as to how poor, and in what way, but poor is the vibe..

If Carlisle doesn't fire this year we'd be lucky to get a 3rd rounder. Late 2nd if he does..

 

[gringo2011]

Because King looks like a really good player already and Carlisle will move on at the end of this year Brown is done Austin good chance of being moved on, Joyce won’t be on our list next year , Clavarino 50/50 for next year and I think Battle is good chance to look elsewhere

I'd rather keep Battle to be honest. He's more adaptable, two Kings are a bit one dimensional. It's like have 2 prime Kosi's. Handy but not a priority for what he'd cost when we need mids of a high standard more. King is a top 10 pick minimum and a huge pay packet.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I’d rather commit to a mid if it becomes a choice. If that midfield isn’t fixed you could have plugger and he would struggle.

That's true, but there's not much out there. Williams I'd love to get. Wines yes, but likely over priced.
Crouch seems to have over priced/rated himself.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I'd rather keep Battle to be honest. He's more adaptable, two Kings are a bit one dimensional. It's like have 2 prime Kosi's. Handy but not a priority for what he'd cost when we need mids of a high standard more. King is a top 10 pick minimum and a huge pay packet.

As you've noted we only need elite mids. Williams and Crouch are RFAs so that doesn't effect considerations for Bing. Neither would Caldwell.

 

[Premium]

I'd rather keep Battle to be honest. He's more adaptable, two Kings are a bit one dimensional. It's like have 2 prime Kosi's. Handy but not a priority for what he'd cost when we need mids of a high standard more. King is a top 10 pick minimum and a huge pay packet.

Battle is a future star for our side and the sooner they have him playing forward the better , if we need anything it's a top line midfielder as you say.

 

[gringo2011]

From all observers this draft is fairly poor. Opinions vary as to how poor, and in what way, but poor is the vibe..

If Carlisle doesn't fire this year we'd be lucky to get a 3rd rounder. Late 2nd if he does..

I think it's because so many good ones are academy linked.

 

[Mowman]

We would want him because we want him. Aside from Max, none of those you mention have anywhere close to the upside that Bing possesses.
He plays CHF, CHB, Ruck chop out, he won the GF sprint, he's a saints supporter, his twin is our new FF and he's looks like a bloody good player in his own right.
We tried to get him in his draft year, and again last year, and we saved our first round this year.
Saints want Bing, end of story..
Only Max and Marshall would be off limits in that scenario. .

I also think an A grade mid should be our priority, But we want BKing CHF - CHB and helping Marshall in Ruck
His year this year was very good and has plenty of upside

 

[Gosaints12]

I guess we'll just have to see how the season pans out and what pick we end up with.
I tend to think a pick that will get Trew would also mean a disappointing result.

I agree we need to make a point of Caldwell if available.
He's young enough in my mind to be considered a draftee, same as Bytel.

I'm not too sure how many young guys mids we should have given Clark, Bytel, "Caldwell" and Byrnes with one or two more senior players pushed in there too.
I'd happily look at Archie Perkins as a slightly different type should we end up around 9th, still with an eye to one more late value pick.
Wouldn't trade Battle for quids though. We may not have a choice in the end, but there's about 15 guys I'd trade first..

Me too mate. I just feel he’s gonna leave.

 

[Gosaints12]

Not to be a stinker, but the main board says JDG is OOC, not RFA.
I don't think we're a chance unfortunately. But he is the type we need very badly...

I've spent far too much time already looking at the trades/draft for this time of year.

Over all l wouldn't be fussed if we skip this years draft all together, and outside of Williams or Wines, neither of whom are really elite, there's not many senior players to look at since we took care of those needs last year.

I'm pretty sure Ben King remains the open priority for the club, hence the rigid desire to keep our first pick.
If we don't get him over this off-season l can only see our 1st pick being traded for another player or a future 1st most likely.

With the list reductions coming it seems the value points this year are later picks and DFA's, and the scramble for high picks and FS/NGA points will place demand on our 1st and two 4ths.

With next year's draft class already being talked up, and the unlucky ones this year going in as over-agers, it's shaping up like a bumper crop.
I'd be putting my draft eggs in that basket

Some may disagree, but since our major need is an elite mid or two, I'd facilitate it by trading Ross, Carlisle, Sav, and delisting Gears, Brownie, Philips, Joyce and Dmac. Along with Stuv's salary, that will free up a bunch of cash and just enough spots for Williams, Caldwell, Paddy and another DFA.
Hit next year with two 1st picks, two 2nd picks and two 3rds

That sounds mint. I’ll happily trade Ross, Sav and Cars, and keep Battle.

 

[Gosaints12]

Is Ross worth two firsts?

Essendon’s pick 10 and a future 1st?
For St Kilda’s Ross and Savage?

Ross as Essendon need another Midfielder and Savage to replace McKenna.

St Kilda
Pick 5: Trew
Pick 10: Tanner Brurh, (sorry for the spelling)

You could then Trade Essendon’s future 1st to GWS for their future 1st and Caldwell.

Then Trade Cars to North for their pick 30 and draft Bailey Laurie.

In all:
Pick 6: Trew
Pick 10: Brurh
Pick 30: Bailey Laurie

Next year:
1st round
GWS 1st round
2nd round
3rd round
4th round
5th round

Ins:
Caldwell
De Goey, (he can just leave Collingwood)

Then in 2021: Use some defenders like Clav, Austin and then at the end of 2022 get King and play him in the backline.

 

[plugger66]

Is Ross worth two firsts?

Essendon’s pick 10 and a future 1st?
For St Kilda’s Ross and Savage?

Ross as Essendon need another Midfielder and Savage to replace McKenna.

St Kilda
Pick 5: Trew
Pick 10: Tanner Brurh, (sorry for the spelling)

You could then Trade Essendon’s future 1st to GWS for their future 1st and Caldwell.

Then Trade Cars to North for their pick 30 and draft Bailey Laurie.

In all:
Pick 6: Trew
Pick 10: Brurh
Pick 30: Bailey Laurie

Next year:
1st round
GWS 1st round
2nd round
3rd round
4th round
5th round

Ins:
Caldwell
De Goey, (he can just leave Collingwood)

Then in 2021: Use some defenders like Clav, Austin and then at the end of 2022 get King and play him in the backline.

I doubt he is worth any first but if it’s one it’s going to be very late. Savage is worth nothing.

 

[Mowman]

Is Ross worth two firsts?

Essendon’s pick 10 and a future 1st?
For St Kilda’s Ross and Savage?

Ross as Essendon need another Midfielder and Savage to replace McKenna.

St Kilda
Pick 5: Trew
Pick 10: Tanner Brurh, (sorry for the spelling)

You could then Trade Essendon’s future 1st to GWS for their future 1st and Caldwell.

Then Trade Cars to North for their pick 30 and draft Bailey Laurie.

In all:
Pick 6: Trew
Pick 10: Brurh
Pick 30: Bailey Laurie

Next year:
1st round
GWS 1st round
2nd round
3rd round
4th round
5th round

Ins:
Caldwell
De Goey, (he can just leave Collingwood)

Then in 2021: Use some defenders like Clav, Austin and then at the end of 2022 get King and play him in the backline.

If Ross is worth two 1st rounders why would we get rid of him ?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Is Ross worth two firsts?

Essendon’s pick 10 and a future 1st?
For St Kilda’s Ross and Savage?

Ross as Essendon need another Midfielder and Savage to replace McKenna.

St Kilda
Pick 5: Trew
Pick 10: Tanner Brurh, (sorry for the spelling)

You could then Trade Essendon’s future 1st to GWS for their future 1st and Caldwell.

Then Trade Cars to North for their pick 30 and draft Bailey Laurie.

In all:
Pick 6: Trew
Pick 10: Brurh
Pick 30: Bailey Laurie

Next year:
1st round
GWS 1st round
2nd round
3rd round
4th round
5th round

Ins:
Caldwell
De Goey, (he can just leave Collingwood)

Then in 2021: Use some defenders like Clav, Austin and then at the end of 2022 get King and play him in the backline.

What we should have done is play Essendon (who will lose Daniher and they know it ) against the Bulldogs for Bruce.
Savage is too old to be worth much and Ross is not worth 2 firsts.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Is Ross worth two firsts?

Essendon’s pick 10 and a future 1st?
For St Kilda’s Ross and Savage?

Ross as Essendon need another Midfielder and Savage to replace McKenna.

St Kilda
Pick 5: Trew
Pick 10: Tanner Brurh, (sorry for the spelling)

You could then Trade Essendon’s future 1st to GWS for their future 1st and Caldwell.

Then Trade Cars to North for their pick 30 and draft Bailey Laurie.

In all:
Pick 6: Trew
Pick 10: Brurh
Pick 30: Bailey Laurie

Next year:
1st round
GWS 1st round
2nd round
3rd round
4th round
5th round

Ins:
Caldwell
De Goey, (he can just leave Collingwood)

Then in 2021: Use some defenders like Clav, Austin and then at the end of 2022 get King and play him in the backline.

Ross an earlyish to mid 2nd.
Sav a 3rd at best or 4th, but by that point they just wait for him to be delisted. Sav and a 4th will get you a 3rd..

 

[CaptainRisky]

Not to be a stinker, but the main board says JDG is OOC, not RFA.
I don't think we're a chance unfortunately. But he is the type we need very badly...

I've spent far too much time already looking at the trades/draft for this time of year.

Over all l wouldn't be fussed if we skip this years draft all together, and outside of Williams or Wines, neither of whom are really elite, there's not many senior players to look at since we took care of those needs last year.

I'm pretty sure Ben King remains the open priority for the club, hence the rigid desire to keep our first pick.
If we don't get him over this off-season l can only see our 1st pick being traded for another player or a future 1st most likely.

With the list reductions coming it seems the value points this year are later picks and DFA's, and the scramble for high picks and FS/NGA points will place demand on our 1st and two 4ths.

With next year's draft class already being talked up, and the unlucky ones this year going in as over-agers, it's shaping up like a bumper crop.
I'd be putting my draft eggs in that basket

Some may disagree, but since our major need is an elite mid or two, I'd facilitate it by trading Ross, Carlisle, Sav, and delisting Gears, Brownie, Philips, Joyce and Dmac. Along with Stuv's salary, that will free up a bunch of cash and just enough spots for Williams, Caldwell, Paddy and another DFA.
Hit next year with two 1st picks, two 2nd picks and two 3rds

Paddy , you must be kidding