List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Thread - Part I

[ScrappyDo]

Paddy , you must be kidding

Well like you and others I'd prefer he just call it quits.
However if he's intent on playing we need another KPF, and for the sake of one year perhaps until Bing can be acquired, l think it's a reasonable option.
Definitely better than taking a draftee or state league player, and we'd sign him for nothing.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Well like you and others I'd prefer he just call it quits.
However if he's intent on playing we need another KPF, and for the sake of one year perhaps until Bing can be acquired, l think it's a reasonable option.
Definitely better than taking a draftee or state league player, and we'd sign him for nothing.

Nah , sorry i cant have his blood on my hands , If he wants to try again he can do it elsewhere

 

[Oakleigh Roo]

Is Ross worth two firsts?

Essendon’s pick 10 and a future 1st?
For St Kilda’s Ross and Savage?

Ross as Essendon need another Midfielder and Savage to replace McKenna.

St Kilda
Pick 5: Trew
Pick 10: Tanner Brurh, (sorry for the spelling)

You could then Trade Essendon’s future 1st to GWS for their future 1st and Caldwell.

Then Trade Cars to North for their pick 30 and draft Bailey Laurie.

In all:
Pick 6: Trew
Pick 10: Brurh
Pick 30: Bailey Laurie

Next year:
1st round
GWS 1st round
2nd round
3rd round
4th round
5th round

Ins:
Caldwell
De Goey, (he can just leave Collingwood)

Then in 2021: Use some defenders like Clav, Austin and then at the end of 2022 get King and play him in the backline.

Lol two firsts for Ross ? Assume you want a first for Mccartin as well?

 

[mightymalaka]

Can't we keep Battle and let him develop into the fine player that he promised to be and also make a big play for DeGoey
whom I rate very highly in order to add to our sagging elite talent?
Don't understand why it has to be one or the other!

 

[Gosaints12]

What about Essendon’s future 1st for Ross and a future 2nd?

Then you still get the Caldwell trade by using Essendon’s future 1st and trading it for GWS future 1st and Caldwell. Then you could trade Sav and DMAC to the Suns for a future 3rd. Then use Cars and send him to the Giants for pick 30.

Still get De Goey and also Caldwell mentioned above.

Trade 1:
Ross and a second for Essendon’s future 1st

Trade 2:
Essendon’s future 1st for GWS’s future 1st and Caldwell

Trade 3:
Sav and DMAC for GC future 3rd

Trade 4:
Cars for pick 30

Draft:
Pick 5: Trew
Pick 30: Laurie
Pick 59: Josh Clarke
Pick 65: Saxon Crozier

Ins:
De Goey
Caldwell

 

[BrutThough]

What about Essendon’s future 1st for Ross and a future 2nd?

Then you still get the Caldwell trade by using Essendon’s future 1st and trading it for GWS future 1st and Caldwell. Then you could trade Sav and DMAC to the Suns for a future 3rd. Then use Cars and send him to the Giants for pick 30.

Still get De Goey and also Caldwell mentioned above.

Trade 1:
Ross and a second for Essendon’s future 1st

Trade 2:
Essendon’s future 1st for GWS’s future 1st and Caldwell

Trade 3:
Sav and DMAC for GC future 3rd

Trade 4:
Cars for pick 30

Draft:
Pick 5: Trew
Pick 30: Laurie
Pick 59: Josh Clarke
Pick 65: Saxon Crozier

Ins:
De Goey
Caldwell

What does trading a two time best and fairest winner, vice captain in his prime for a young and unproven kid actually achieve?

All it does is set our midfield back again.

 

[gringo2011]

What does trading a two time best and fairest winner, vice captain in his prime for a young and unproven kid actually achieve?

All it does is set our midfield back again.

Yeah, I think the idea is to keep improving the list, not a one in one out scenario. At some point we have to decide to keep a few players. 18 out of 45 players are left from our list 3 years ago another 8 to 10 are potentially not worth persisting within probably gone in the next 2 years. Getting rid of the few okay ones seems a dangerous plan.

 

[ScrappyDo]

What about Essendon’s future 1st for Ross and a future 2nd?

Then you still get the Caldwell trade by using Essendon’s future 1st and trading it for GWS future 1st and Caldwell. Then you could trade Sav and DMAC to the Suns for a future 3rd. Then use Cars and send him to the Giants for pick 30.

Still get De Goey and also Caldwell mentioned above.

Trade 1:
Ross and a second for Essendon’s future 1st

Trade 2:
Essendon’s future 1st for GWS’s future 1st and Caldwell

Trade 3:
Sav and DMAC for GC future 3rd

Trade 4:
Cars for pick 30

Draft:
Pick 5: Trew
Pick 30: Laurie
Pick 59: Josh Clarke
Pick 65: Saxon Crozier

Ins:
De Goey
Caldwell

You wouldn't trade Ross unless you're getting someone better.

And Dmac wouldn't get you a pack of stale chips unfortunately. .

 

[ScrappyDo]

Nah , sorry i cant have his blood on my hands , If he wants to try again he can do it elsewhere

Someone's going to pick him up. I think we should employ him as a field kicking coach..

 

[ScrappyDo]

What about Essendon’s future 1st for Ross and a future 2nd?

Then you still get the Caldwell trade by using Essendon’s future 1st and trading it for GWS future 1st and Caldwell. Then you could trade Sav and DMAC to the Suns for a future 3rd. Then use Cars and send him to the Giants for pick 30.

Still get De Goey and also Caldwell mentioned above.

Trade 1:
Ross and a second for Essendon’s future 1st

Trade 2:
Essendon’s future 1st for GWS’s future 1st and Caldwell

Trade 3:
Sav and DMAC for GC future 3rd

Trade 4:
Cars for pick 30

Draft:
Pick 5: Trew
Pick 30: Laurie
Pick 59: Josh Clarke
Pick 65: Saxon Crozier

Ins:
De Goey
Caldwell

Ross, Carlisle, 2020 & 2021 firsts, out.
Williams, Caldwell, Bing, rd2 pick, in???

 

[tomjoad]

Whatever gets us back into a contending position I say.
We have some prospective players coming through which is good news. A couple of good young players with potential in the under 25 bracket, which is a plus, and a small handful of good players between 25 & 30, of which none are elite, nor stars. We have brought in some very good players at a very big cost. It's not ideal, but I can see the reasons.
We have too many foot soldiers, and way too many defenders that aren't worth much in terms of trade value.
Guys like Billings, Roma, King, and Gresh are what the club is being sold on so are off limits. Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to losing Billings as he'd be worth a late first round pick. Unfortunately that is the calibre if player we'd need to lose to gain any ascendency. Battle would get us a 2nd rounder as would Ross. Steele and Dunstan a late second and somewhere in the third round respectively. Carlisle unfortunately a 3rd at most at this stage. The rest are steak knives and crisp packets. Our list requires an almost Hermes Trismegistus touch.
I know we've got some stuff to be excited about, and the club is trying their balls off to get the club moving and shaking, but in terms of trade, we don't have much to play with.

 

[gringo2011]

Whatever gets us back into a contending position I say.
We have some prospective players coming through which is good news. A couple of good young players with potential in the under 25 bracket, which is a plus, and a small handful of good players between 25 & 30, of which none are elite, nor stars. We have brought in some very good players at a very big cost. It's not ideal, but I can see the reasons.
We have too many foot soldiers, and way too many defenders that aren't worth much in terms of trade value.
Guys like Billings, Roma, King, and Gresh are what the club is being sold on so are off limits. Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to losing Billings as he'd be worth a late first round pick. Unfortunately that is the calibre if player we'd need to lose to gain any ascendency. Battle would get us a 2nd rounder as would Ross. Steele and Dunstan a late second and somewhere in the third round respectively. Carlisle unfortunately a 3rd at most at this stage. The rest are steak knives and crisp packets. Our list requires an almost Hermes Trismegistus touch.
I know we've got some stuff to be excited about, and the club is trying their balls off to get the club moving and shaking, but in terms of trade, we don't have much to play with.

Dunstan would be lucky to be worth anything. We have no stars so have no real trade value. Bruce was an example of what our players are worth to other clubs. Most of our bests would be in the bottom 10 players or VFL for the best lists. To me we need to stop turning over players and start finding elite talent. Selling off our picks and solid players so far has done nothing, as has buying high priced players from other clubs.

 

[BrutThough]

Dunstan would be lucky to be worth anything. We have no stars so have no real trade value. Bruce was an example of what our players are worth to other clubs. Most of our bests would be in the bottom 10 players or VFL for the best lists. To me we need to stop turning over players and start finding elite talent. Selling off our picks and solid players so far has done nothing, as has buying high priced players from other clubs.

You are severely overrating the quality of player that makes up the bottom 10 of a top 4 team.

 

[gringo2011]

You are severely overrating the quality of player that makes up the bottom 10 of a top 4 team.

Who would be in Richmond's best 10 players? Or Collingwood or even the Dogs? Billings is alright but probably just a player in a top list, Hill probably. Marshall if he plays like he did I the second half of last year. Steele would be like Matt De Boer on a better list.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Someone's going to pick him up. I think we should employ him as a field kicking coach..

Im not so sure he would get drafted, clubs are not stupid

 

[Gosaints12]

You wouldn't trade Ross unless you're getting someone better.

And Dmac wouldn't get you a pack of stale chips unfortunately. .

God I want him gone. I’ll give clubs a first.

 

[BrutThough]

Who would be in Richmond's best 10 players? Or Collingwood or even the Dogs? Billings is alright but probably just a player in a top list, Hill probably. Marshall if he plays like he did I the second half of last year. Steele would be like Matt De Boer on a better list.

Any clubs would find room for Billings and Hill on a wing. Apart from Pies and Melb, any other club make room for Marshall. Any club would make room for Gresh or Ross or Membrey. Clubs would love a Jack Steele who can stop the oppositions best player while getting the ball himself. Any club would want Hunter or King as a young player for the next decade. Lots of clubs wanted Howard this last trade period.

The issue is that our top 3-4 players aren't as good as the top 3-4 players at a top 4 clubs. Depending on the club, these quality of players would be between 5-15 in their sides weekly but since we dont have that 'superstar' quality player who is relied upon in those clutch moments.

And every club fields multiple questionable role players a week - even Richmond or GWS field players weekly that you look at on paper and question whether they would get a game at other clubs because their entire role is based around that clubs specific system rather than them being great players.

We have a lot of good players - good players that any club would want - but we lack the elite, top echelon type player that makes everyone else around them look better.

 

[tomjoad]

Dunstan would be lucky to be worth anything. We have no stars so have no real trade value. Bruce was an example of what our players are worth to other clubs. Most of our bests would be in the bottom 10 players or VFL for the best lists. To me we need to stop turning over players and start finding elite talent. Selling off our picks and solid players so far has done nothing, as has buying high priced players from other clubs.

Yeah, that's the problem. We have very little to play with. We've tried everything else...and have unearthed plodding mediocrity for the most part. Except for the guys that the club is pinning their hopes on to shoot us to the lower rungs of the 8, we have nothing to really offer. Ross won't be traded...he's good fodder for it...but we need him around as much as it sickens my arse to say it. Battle shouldn't be traded...but probably will, and we'll get unders again for the goodwill. Carlisle is worth peanuts now, and his back is dodgy. A bunch of 3rd and 4th rounders in return isn't going to help us much.

 

[pebblesofsand]

So what were Sydney offering for Joe Daniher?

'A fair way off': Doubt continues over star Bomber's return to footy

There remains no timeframe for Essendon star Joe Daniher to return from injury

www.afl.com.au

 

[gringo2011]

Any clubs would find room for Billings and Hill on a wing. Apart from Pies and Melb, any other club make room for Marshall. Any club would make room for Gresh or Ross or Membrey. Clubs would love a Jack Steele who can stop the oppositions best player while getting the ball himself. Any club would want Hunter or King as a young player for the next decade. Lots of clubs wanted Howard this last trade period.

The issue is that our top 3-4 players aren't as good as the top 3-4 players at a top 4 clubs. Depending on the club, these quality of players would be between 5-15 in their sides weekly but since we dont have that 'superstar' quality player who is relied upon in those clutch moments.

And every club fields multiple questionable role players a week - even Richmond or GWS field players weekly that you look at on paper and question whether they would get a game at other clubs because their entire role is based around that clubs specific system rather than them being great players.

We have a lot of good players - good players that any club would want - but we lack the elite, top echelon type player that makes everyone else around them look better.

That's my point, most of our players wouldn't be in the top 10 players of the top clubs.

Gresham in the all star game looked like a very average player. He'd play but he's around the level of a Shai Bolton or Marlion Pickett, not as good as Sydney Stack. Somewhere around 20th on Richmonds list, he should improve though and I still hold out hope for him to become a gun.

Hill as I said probably the one player that would be in the top 10 at most clubs.

Marshall in the second half of last year was on track to be a superstar as well.

Billings is a good player but not a star and probably sit around mid table on a top 4 list.

Hunter and King would be seen as high potential but they aren't in Richmonds top 10 players yet. Would you leave out Lynch or JRoo for King? Would you leave out Grimes, Vlastuin, Houli etc for Clark?

 

[pebblesofsand]

That's my point, most of our players would be in the top 10 players of the top clubs.

Gresham in the all star game looked like a very average player. He'd play but he's around the level of a Shai Bolton or Marlion Pickett, not as good as Sydney Stack. Somewhere around 20th on Richmonds list, he should improve though and I still hold out hope for him to become a gun.

Hill as I said probably the one player that would be in the top 10 at most clubs.

Marshall in the second half of last year was on track to be a superstar as well.

Billings is a good player but not a star and probably sit around mid table on a top 4 list.

Hunter and King would be seen as high potential but they aren't in Richmonds top 10 players yet. Would you love out Lynch or JRoo for King? Would you leave out Grimes, Vlastuin, Houli etc for Clark?

Jeez - that's a bit harsh. Gresham has it all over Stack and Bolton by any measure you wish to use.

As for Pickett -its a nice story but the Grand Final was a walkover - Gresh would have had his own ball in that game - so I'll reserve judgement until we see something week in week out.

 

[gringo2011]

Jeez - that's a bit harsh. Gresham has it all over Stack and Bolton by any measure you wish to use.

As for Pickett -its a nice story but the Grand Final was a walkover - Gresh would have had his own ball in that game - so I'll reserve judgement until we see something week in week out.

I might be overstating it but my point is that while he's a good player, compared to top 10players at other clubs, he'd be just another player.

 

[BrutThough]

That's my point, most of our players wouldn't be in the top 10 players of the top clubs.

Gresham in the all star game looked like a very average player. He'd play but he's around the level of a Shai Bolton or Marlion Pickett, not as good as Sydney Stack. Somewhere around 20th on Richmonds list, he should improve though and I still hold out hope for him to become a gun.

Hill as I said probably the one player that would be in the top 10 at most clubs.

Marshall in the second half of last year was on track to be a superstar as well.

Billings is a good player but not a star and probably sit around mid table on a top 4 list.

Hunter and King would be seen as high potential but they aren't in Richmonds top 10 players yet. Would you leave out Lynch or JRoo for King? Would you leave out Grimes, Vlastuin, Houli etc for Clark?

As I said above, the players I listed would be ranked between 5-15 on most other clubs list or would be some of their highest rated young talent on their list. They are good players that every club would like to have. But the issue is on our list they are the players ranked 1-5, without that top elite player making them look better. You are also severely overrating the players who make up the bottom part of top 4 teams best 22.

You are also delusional if you think Gresham would only be the 20th best player on Richmonds list.

He was "average" in the All Star game, as the youngest player out there, part of which would be that he was stuck in the forward pocket for the majority of the game which is a position he rarely players anymore. Also worth nothing, playing like Tom Lynch and Tom Hawkins also looked bog average in that game as well despite being great players because of how the game was played. That fact he was even picked shows he is far from someone who would only be 20th best on a list and is seen as a very very good player by some of the highest rated coaches in the AFL

 

[plugger66]

Role players work when mixed in with stars. We cannot have any real role players in our side but they are vital to become a very good side. We need to find stars and quickly. We just have to hope gresh billings, who may not have any improvement in him, king, Marshall and Clark can become or get close to being stars. Unfortunately we know hills limit so it won’t be him unless we get a couple of inside stars in the midfield

 

[mightymalaka]

I feat we may be jumping the gun a bit with our valuations on plenty of our players whom I still have high hopes for to develop into either very good to elite players...Gresham,Billings,Battle,Roma and Hunter all have shown enough to persist with into becoming A grade!
They still have to do it of course. But I'd be waiting till the end of this season to see what our stocks are when it comes to very good to elite talent and then look to add to that!