List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Thread - Part I

[Crusty Undies]

Imagine De Goey deep forward, kicking absolute team lifters then moving on ball for 7-8 minutes a quarter and exploding out of the middle Hitting King and Membrey on the tit.

I would rather go big then a player I don’t see ever being more then a forward with electric speed and goal nous. De Goey is powerful, exciting and a touch of the mercurial. He was immense in the 18’ Grand final. Made me really wish we had him.

Yeah no if it came to a choice between the two I'd take degoey. Collingwood will also want a lot more for him and will likely put more effort into signing him than they would keeping stephenson. I eventually see Stephenson moving to a similar role as well tbh. Pinch hit in the middle, float up the wings then drift forward and snipe a goal on the boundary line. The boy can also kick for goal better than almost anyone in the league. Might be a good influence when we inevitably get shaky in front of goal in a big game.

 

[Impatient Saint]

My argument is that Crouch would have to win every ball based on our current midfield. He makes us better, but we would be paying a bloke ALOT of money to be an in and under player, when his best role is on the move and person 2 or 3 in the chain.

Have a look at his highlights from last season. 90% of his best work is on the move and not at the bottom of the pack. Unless Steele become an elite inside animal I worry we won’t see the best of Crouch and he would be on huge money.

I understand but didnt Jones, Ross, Steele, Gresham, Hannerbrey show enough on the weekend to suggest.we dont need a specified in and under player.

I dont think with a balanced and talented midfield you need one, I think the Swans have fallen behind the comp with exactly that thinking.

With that in mind I believe Crouch could play his natural damaging role.

 

[Crusty Undies]

They are the same height , JDG just heavier

And matty parker is taller than both but he plays small forward.

 

[StCicatriz]

the crouch, dunstan and bytel discussion is an excellent one.

right now the midfield we are running with is like so:
Rucks: Ryder & Marshall
Inside Mids: Jones, Ross, Steele, Gresham
Outside Mids: Hill, Hanners, Billings, Clark

there is a bit of mix between the two, for example hanners spends time inside and outside. Clark will eventually spend more time in there.

the question is who do we need to remove and who do we need to add.

Dunstan has dropped out of favor, i don't think he's going to make it for us.

Bytel hasn't played a game. it's unlikely he makes it.

if we are going to add someone we need them to be a bonafide week in week out star.

Crouch would help, but he's not a star. i think there's a lot of optimism thinking we have what we need after the dogs result (they're awful). I think we need to see the results for the remainder of the year. that will show us if it's a one off and we just need a very solid extractor and bash and crash type. or if this midfield is legit. or maybe someone like crouch does become a star.

 

[StCicatriz]

the other area i'd be looking for a pick up, would be a genuine matching winning small forward. i'm talking someone who can win the game off their own boot. now before people say "well there are none available". let's remember none of us saw hill happening.

gresh looked like he would be that guy, but he's transitioning to the midfield. billings is a high half forward.

lonie, butler, kent are all defencive forwards and i wouldn't call them elite or a grade small forwards who make the impossible happen.

 

[Impatient Saint]

What I'd do for Matt Rowell right now. Has to be the biggest built 18 year old I've ever seen.

A mituxe of Judd & Voss with Koutafides body - the kid is a freak.

 

[BrutThough]

I think a big area of concern is a 2nd key forward.

We have King and Membrey - who is sized to play as the 3rd tall - but no one else beyond them. I wouldn't want to go into another season without another feasible option in that position.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Bytel hasn't played a game. it's unlikely he makes it.

Really?
He had a back injury all last year, his first year at the club. Absolutely no way I (or surely the club) would be writing him off with an "unlikely he makes it."

 

[Premium]

1 game against bulldog witches hats has not cured our problems.

Remember when we started last year 5-0 beating garbage teams with supercoach richo?

Let's not be too hasty on declaring mission accomplished

Not saying mission accomplished - we just have to let the players develop - Gresham and Hunter Clark will be fixtures in the midfield and who knows who else could pop up this year.
Bringing in a Crouch would just restrict there development - just my thoughts

 

[Premium]

I think a big area of concern is a 2nd key forward.

We have King and Membrey - who is sized to play as the 3rd tall - but no one else beyond them. I wouldn't want to go into another season without another feasible option in that position.

I actually was wanting Battle to fill that role , but still waiting for his chance.

 

[CaptainRisky]

And matty parker is taller than both but he plays small forward.

That he does

 

[StCicatriz]

anyone got the full article for this pay wall number at the hun:
SUNS NOT ONLY SUITOR FOR CROWS FREE AGENT

 

[BrutThough]

anyone got the full article for this pay wall number at the hun:
SUNS NOT ONLY SUITOR FOR CROWS FREE AGENT

Adelaide free agent Brad Crouch to attract interest from Victorian clubs as well as Gold Coast
Victorian clubs are set to join Gold Coast in the chase for Adelaide free agent Brad Crouch in a move which could leave the rebuilding Crows with a swag of top-25 draft picks. Would he fit at your club?

Melbourne clubs will join Gold Coast in circling Brad Crouch as his free agency status significantly adds to his appeal as a target this off-season.
Adelaide could reboot with four picks in the top 20 — and a potential Taylor Walker replacement with its first selection — if Crouch decided to walk to greener pastures at season’s end.

Depending on his asking price the Crows might even get a compensation pick in the top five of the 2020 national draft.

Gold Coast and rival Melbourne clubs will continue to watch Crouch’s progress this year, aware he will want a large contract as a restricted free agent.

Club director Mark Ricciuto’s warning the Crows were in for short-term pain as it rebuilt has been proven correct, with early indications the Crows are heading for a bottom-three finish.

The Crows have already taken six picks within the top 30 of the draft in the past two years.

But as the rebuild continues they also have the first-round selection from Greater Western Sydney as they go down the draft route to again secure elite talent.

Crouch won the best-and-fairest last year but clearly considered leaving, even dropping his price as he tried to get to Gold Coast.


The Suns weren’t prepared to pay his asking fee and while they will build their midfield around Matt Rowell, they believe Crouch has real star power and haven’t lost interest.

He and the Crows are content to let the season unfold before they discuss what a potential deal would look like.

Some Melbourne clubs who have considered a trade for Crouch believe he does not kick the ball well enough or kick enough goals (33 in 85 games) to command a massive long-term deal.

Champion Data statistics show in the last 27 games while his disposal rate is elite (29.8 per cent) but his kicking efficiency is rated poor.

From the start of 2019 onwards he has posted a kicking efficiency of 49.3 per cent that ranks him 47th out of the top 50 ball-winners in the competition.

If Adelaide were happy to let Crouch go for a first-round compensation pick they would have three first-rounders then one of the earliest picks in the second round of the 2020 national draft.

The Crows not only have three potential NGA academy selections, they would consider potential No. 1 pick Riley Thilthorpe, a 202cm ruck-forward who played senior football for West Adelaide last year.

He will push for one of the early draft selections alongside NGA selection Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, tied to the Western Bulldogs.

Thilthorpe kicked three goals in his SANFL debut and despite comparisons to Brodie Grundy given his ball-winning abilities is more of a forward than a ruckman.

Other NGA and father-son selections include small forward Tariek Newchurch, Tyson Edwards’ son Luke, and James Borlase.

His father Darryl Borlase played 246 games with the Port Adelaide Magpies but because he was born in Egypt while Darryl was working with the Australian Wheat Board he is eligible for Adelaide as an overseas-born player.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Stavro if you look at Richmonds midfield they dont have a huge inside mids, they have quality quick moving players. Martin is the exception but he plays 50% forward. I believe a quality midfield that can all win a contested ball is a winning combination, so add Crouch to our midfielders and we will have a pretty formidable group.

Plus we have Bytel & Byrnes developing in the background and be ready to go before too long.

The problem becomes that is we stock up on mature mids then Bytel and Byrnes don't get a look in.
I think stavro was on point. By all means lets get a mature mid, but he would want to be a point of difference.
To me Crouch has over rated himself.
Looking for a pay deal that only bottom 4 teams might be able to justify, but he's not good enough for that money in a team with some other high salary genuine elite players.
He probably got sucked in to his own fantasy ratings..

 

[The_Steadier]

Not saying mission accomplished - we just have to let the players develop - Gresham and Hunter Clark will be fixtures in the midfield and who knows who else could pop up this year.
Bringing in a Crouch would just restrict there development - just my thoughts

Bringing in a gun like crouch wouldn't stifle any development of say clark and gresh- it would add to it.

Just as we brought hill in and ditched the acres/newnes/langlands/whoever on the wing setup, same would happen in the midfield.
The good honest toilers would make way for crouch etc, not guys like gresh and clark.

If we brought in a crouch or other similarly accomplished mid, it would only cut opportunities to the weakest in the herd- seb ross, dunstan and steele would need to add more strings to their bow and go to a new level of performance, or else risk falling out of the squad.

I genuinely like seb and steele as players, but we are unbalanced in our midfield with too many mids that can't win lots of their own footy against good opposition.

I hope steele kicks it up a gear this year and can average (for the year) the sorts of numbers he got against the rabble dogs... but that is a huge leap for him to make.

As for seb- I like him but his personal deficiencies are an almost exact match for our teams shortcomings.

He'd be far better suited to a team like melbourne with lots on inside types shovelling the ball out to him.

 

[Stewart66]

the crouch, dunstan and bytel discussion is an excellent one.

right now the midfield we are running with is like so:
Rucks: Ryder & Marshall
Inside Mids: Jones, Ross, Steele, Gresham
Outside Mids: Hill, Hanners, Billings, Clark

there is a bit of mix between the two, for example hanners spends time inside and outside. Clark will eventually spend more time in there.

the question is who do we need to remove and who do we need to add.

Dunstan has dropped out of favor, i don't think he's going to make it for us.

Bytel hasn't played a game. it's unlikely he makes it.

if we are going to add someone we need them to be a bonafide week in week out star.

Crouch would help, but he's not a star. i think there's a lot of optimism thinking we have what we need after the dogs result (they're awful). I think we need to see the results for the remainder of the year. that will show us if it's a one off and we just need a very solid extractor and bash and crash type. or if this midfield is legit. or maybe someone like crouch does become a star.

Bytel will be a star .....

 

[Impatient Saint]

Correct, I just couldn’t be bothered writing anymore names. Their midfield is elite and better then ours with or without Brad Crouch in every way.

That doesnt mean we shouldnt try to improve it by adding Crouch, if he fits into out salary cap modelling....

 

[Stewart66]

I think a big area of concern is a 2nd key forward.

We have King and Membrey - who is sized to play as the 3rd tall - but no one else beyond them. I wouldn't want to go into another season without another feasible option in that position.

Not concerned in slightest myself ...

Battle / Marsh / Mayo .....very promising area .

 

[ScrappyDo]

Bytel will be a star .....

Out with it Stew! You get to see what the rest of us haven't.
What are we gonna see??

 

[Joffaboy]

Just remember we don't get anyone decent at trade time.

Who can remember the last time someone nominated us as their preferred club?

 

[Stewart66]

Out with it Stew! You get to see what the rest of us haven't.
What are we gonna see??

Never been more confident about player at StKilda ...does that help.

Skill Level ....Elite .......kicks both feet , strong fearless , elite vision, attitude to doing extras .

Roughead is really focused on his development , listens & takes in what he & Hannebery say.

Really disappointed he didn’t play in Hawthorn practice game myself with some minutes on
Mitchell.

 

[Crusty Undies]

I think a big area of concern is a 2nd key forward.

We have King and Membrey - who is sized to play as the 3rd tall - but no one else beyond them. I wouldn't want to go into another season without another feasible option in that position.

...Battle?

 

[BrutThough]

...Battle?

Training in defence despite our multitude of key positions backs and a lack of key forwards.
Looks the like club is thinking of him as a defender.

 

[Stewart66]

Training in defence despite our multitude of key positions backs and a lack of key forwards.
Looks the like club is thinking of him as a defender.

That‘s not entirely correct has trained as both defender & Forward most of preseason

Because of Covid restrictions with limits on number of players they are unable to train as normal.

According to Ratten he plays either end , think the midfield experiment has ceased.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

I think a big area of concern is a 2nd key forward.

We have King and Membrey - who is sized to play as the 3rd tall - but no one else beyond them. I wouldn't want to go into another season without another feasible option in that position.

membrey, battle, roma resting forward, marsh, that lawyer kid from perth.. bing