List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Thread - Part I

[Diehard Saint]

He'll get AFL coin if they think he'll go, same phone call Bing got.

Not this year with the Covid cuts.

 

[Premium]

Herald-Sun reported today that Carlisle is keen to stay at the club. Doesn’t want to leave.

Looks like the ball is in the club’s court.

It was also reported in the Herald-Sun that neither Carlisle or the club has ruled out the possibility that Carlisle flies to Adelaide and plays in the Preliminary Final (if we make it).

If we beat Richmond this week , no one would be dropped.
Carlisle is a must keep unless we get some as good and with our draft hand we don't have to much to deal with.

 

[puppy_dog7]

Hately requesting a trade out of GWS.. Caldwell becoming even harder to get now

 

[StCicatriz]

Hately requesting a trade out of GWS.. Caldwell becoming even harder to get now

i would have thought the opposite

 

[Keg still on legs]

Herald-Sun reported today that Carlisle is keen to stay at the club. Doesn’t want to leave.

Looks like the ball is in the club’s court.

It was also reported in the Herald-Sun that neither Carlisle or the club has ruled out the possibility that Carlisle flies to Adelaide and plays in the Preliminary Final (if we make it).

The link they are relying on as proof he wants to stay is from Sept 2019.

I hope he does stay, but I'm not gonna rely on the Hun too much

 

[St Neil]

If we beat Richmond this week , no one would be dropped.
Carlisle is a must keep unless we get some as good and with our draft hand we don't have to much to deal with.

If Carlisle is available he must be selected.

If he played in the Preliminary Final would he then be available for the Grand Final in Brisbane? Two weeks away from his partner, new born baby and two small children is a big ask.

It’s all hypothetical of course. So many bridges to cross.

 

[Premium]

i would have thought the opposite

GWS cap is stretched and they have kids like Ash , Riccardi , Hately , Caldwell , Hill , O'Halloran , Tom Green who would be on the basic draft wage of around 150k and if they want to sign them they will need to more than double it if they are wanting them to stay knowing they are all high draft picks.
They have just re-signed Perryman and they would of had to given him a big jump in payments.

Just re-signing these kids will cost them close to 2 million and then add on Hopper and Taranto that will be looking at contract renewals next year and both will be substantial.

This why Williams , Corr , Shaw , Jacobs leaving is nothing really a drop in the ocean for what is needed - they at least still need another million off there list to fix there problems and Cameron could well be the one that is gone.

It has to be realized Zac Williams would of been on no huge pay packet at the Giants - at best I would say 500k , coming from a rookie contract and signing a longer term contract , his next contract would of been his pay day and by all reports GWS didn't want to give up to much compared to Carlton.
And in saying this they need to bring in a ruckman because Mummy is not going to cut it , so to bring in a ruck will cost GWS the same money they lost in Williams.

If they need to pay for Taranto , Hooper , Tom Green , Riccardi , Ash they are going to need to get rid of some serious salary cap.
Big money contracts for Kelly , Cameron , Greene , Whitfield and Coniglio who would be on close to 800 to 900k would be killing them and it has to be remembered Ward , Davis , Haynes would be on good money as well and don't forget Perryman who would of good a big upgrade.

They just can't afford to pick up top grade first round picks and pay them nothing for the first 4 yrs as well as not getting the opportunity to play.

Fully expect Caldwell to leave.

 

[CanadianSaint]

i would have thought the opposite

I agree, I think it shows that the younger players still arent getting game time at the Giants and are a disgruntled lot. Also, I dont think its a question of money, as long as the deals are similar, i think its about being home, playing for the club you love and time in the midfield! Come home Jye!!!!!

 

[gringo2011]

They were.

They told him in his first exit meeting he won't be playing back and would have to fight for a spot forward.

They then got him back for a 2nd meeting and told him they would look at a trade for the right price which made it pretty clear to Doug's he was being pushed out the door which is why he flew to Melbourne to meet clubs.

I thought we'd approached him a fair way out.

 

[gringo2011]

Agreed, that trade was what? 4 years ago, we got Butler for a song, but if Richmond were on the downward slide not where they are, we don't get him for that price.
Things change, GWS were sorting through their riches, most they got rid of were good trades for them, with Steele probably the best let go. They seem to be on the downward slide and want to keep a young quality player.

I reckon Caldwell will cost more than a first, and supporters will whinge, like they did for two thirds of the season about Hill, but look what he brings in a big game.

He definately will cost more than Steele and I am willing to pay as the recruiters have runs on the board.

You'd be crazy to pay more than our first for a player who is still only average. He's not a lot more advanced than Bytel at the moment.

 

[stavro#4]

You'd be crazy to pay more than our first for a player who is still only average. He's not a lot more advanced than Bytel at the moment.

Our first realistically is going to be close to pick 20.
I would try and sell them our second next year and maybe a 4th rounder from them for third rounder from us.

 

[Joffaboy]

You'd be crazy to pay more than our first for a player who is still only average. He's not a lot more advanced than Bytel at the moment.

You'd be crazy to pay more than our first for a player who is still only average. He's not a lot more advanced than Bytel at the moment.

Bytel was touted as a top ten player before his back injury



Caldwell's stats, a bit more developed than Bytel.

As I said supporters will whinge, like they have about Hanners, Paddy, Hill etc, but when he turns out like Steele and we have him, Steele, Bytel, Jones, Gres and Clark running through the guts for the forseeable future, we will be thankful.

Also if Caldwell nominates us, the deal gets done.

 

[gy027]

This time last year Coffield was in the same position as Caldwell.
High draft pick doing ok but not setting the world on fire.
Some posters saying he was a bust fast forward 12 months and he is now a potential future all Australian.
Would we have accepted a future second for him? Or pick 20 with a pick in the 30s going back to the club that gets him.
If the club is happy to give up our first pick with nothing coming back that is good enough for me.

 

[gringo2011]

Bytel was touted as a top ten player before his back injury

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Caldwell's stats, a bit more developed than Bytel.

As I said supporters will whinge, like they have about Hanners, Paddy, Hill etc, but when he turns out like Steele and we have him, Steele, Bytel, Jones, Gres and Clark running through the guts for the forseeable future, we will be thankful.

Also if Caldwell nominates us, the deal gets done.

I want to get him, just don't think we need to go nuts offering overs for him.

 

[Longmembrey]

It could not be jye, could be someone else, could also have bad info, maybe something's changed who knows.

Mg has more of a track record but anything could hapoen, both could have correct or incorrect information.

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What's MG got right in the past?

 

[Joffaboy]

I want to get him, just don't think we need to go nuts offering overs for him.

But what is overs? Bulldogs paid firsts and a million a year for Boyd, who looked a bust, until he buggered Ward's knee in the PF and kicked thee in the GF.
Did the Dogs pay overs for a bloke who was instrumental in winning a flag?

Most people said we paid overs for Hill. First, a bunch of later picks and Acres, we got reamed we were told. Two thirds of a season people calling him a bust and soft and we paid overs. How has that looked in the latter parts of the season. On the weekend he was great in a final and with Hanners (another who has been called a bust and we were wrong to pick up) showed what a big game player with finals experience can do when it counts.
Not saying Caldwell is Dusty Martin and I would be pretty bewildered if we did an O'Meara type deal, but don't be surprised that we give up our first, and a swap of picks in GWS favour.
The kid has been in the system only two years, a high dp in the "superdraft" of 2018, a year behind Hunter and Coff in development. If he noms us, we get the deal done.

 

[Yawkey way]

I want to get him, just don't think we need to go nuts offering overs for him.

If Caldwell nominates us the deal will get done and if it costs our first with something coming back hopefully it’s a bargain.

I really wanted this kid and I was super keen on bytel so I just see them as two long term key mids sorted. Track watchers are a big wrap for Byrnes as well so I’m pumped at the prospect of a full compliment of young gun mids to add to our midfield.

If we pull this off and add a couple of smart pieces imo we’re right in the mix for long term success.

 

[Diehard Saint]

But what is overs? Bulldogs paid firsts and a million a year for Boyd, who looked a bust, until he buggered Ward's knee in the PF and kicked thee in the GF.
Did the Dogs pay overs for a bloke who was instrumental in winning a flag?

Most people said we paid overs for Hill. First, a bunch of later picks and Acres, we got reamed we were told. Two thirds of a season people calling him a bust and soft and we paid overs. How has that looked in the latter parts of the season. On the weekend he was great in a final and with Hanners (another who has been called a bust and we were wrong to pick up) showed what a big game player with finals experience can do when it counts.
Not saying Caldwell is Dusty Martin and I would be pretty bewildered if we did an O'Meara type deal, but don't be surprised that we give up our first, and a swap of picks in GWS favour.
The kid has been in the system only two years, a high dp in the "superdraft" of 2018, a year behind Hunter and Coff in development. If he noms us, we get the deal done.

If he’s good enough for our recruiting team, he is definitely good enough for me. After last year I trust them implicitly. And if he costs us this year‘s first, so be it.

 

[Mowman]

You'd be crazy to pay more than our first for a player who is still only average. He's not a lot more advanced than Bytel at the moment.

What did we pay for J.Steele and what would you pay for him now ?

I will go with what ever the club does this year, they have earnt some trust

 

[pebblesofsand]

Herald-Sun reported today that Carlisle is keen to stay at the club. Doesn’t want to leave.

Looks like the ball is in the club’s court.

It was also reported in the Herald-Sun that neither Carlisle or the club has ruled out the possibility that Carlisle flies to Adelaide and plays in the Preliminary Final (if we make it).

Carlisle will be in the same situation as Bruce was last year. Aside from best wishes, I've no doubt the last conversation Lethlean would have had before Carlisle left would have been around the years and $'s the club will be offering him.

I'd be guessing we'd be putting forward 2 years (+ an option) and reasonable coin per year.

If someone offered him 4 and similar money per year - both he and the club would know he'd be stupid not to accept it.

 

[Saint_Dos]

If we beat Richmond this week , no one would be dropped.
Carlisle is a must keep unless we get some as good and with our draft hand we don't have to much to deal with.

Debatable when we would have Long to come back in who has been playing all season.
Plus need another KPD to play on Marshall/Westhoff/Ladhams. If we scrape through with Robbo/Battle on Jroo we cant just plonk them onto the next KPF who is heaps taller.
There are always hard luck stories but the changes would need to be made.

 

[Mstr Strokesman]

If Carlisle is available he must be selected.

If he played in the Preliminary Final would he then be available for the Grand Final in Brisbane? Two weeks away from his partner, new born baby and two small children is a big ask.

It’s all hypothetical of course. So many bridges to cross.

Could always ask Gil for advice for a Au pair for a couple of weeks. On his wage he could afford half a dozen.

 

[bird_man]

I thought we'd approached him a fair way out.

While Howard was willing to stick it out as a second or third tall forward behind Charlie Dixon, a discussion one week after the exit meeting saw list manager Jason Cripps raise the prospect of a trade.

"It was 'if the deal was right we would consider it'. Any player that gets told that would go and do that, which Dougs has done."

That doesn't sound like a list manager that was unhappy to see him go

The surprises that set Dougal Howard off on his unexpected path to St Kilda

Dougal Howard has nominated the Saints as his preferred destination after the circumstances behind the prospective trade came to light.

7news.com.au

 

[Baker_for_PM]

With the team numbers being cut this year I think for us any trades need to be for our best 22, Would Caldwell be a walk up start with Gresh healthy and more time into Bytel?
Agian thoughts on Archie Perkins for the draft?

 

[BrutThough]

With the team numbers being cut this year I think for us any trades need to be for our best 22, Would Caldwell be a walk up start with Gresh healthy and more time into Bytel?
Agian thoughts on Archie Perkins for the draft?

He wouldn't be close to a walk up start rd1 next year based off his performances so far.