List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Thread - Part III

[StCicatriz]

we need a mid to run with Steele. i can't see us turning our back on Crouch now. we have gone too far down the path.

plus we have a good rep right now. we get trades done. so player managers know our club will get their player to our club. which is one of their biggest concerns and a big source of anxiety in players and their management.

it'd be a terrible look to then drop crouch because the cost was too high.

 

[Veer Right]

Pick 15 for crouch or Pick 15 for Treloar?

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Crouch without blinking.

 

[Joffaboy]

Pick 15 for crouch or Pick 15 for Treloar?

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Treloar easily.

 

[LiterallyNobody]

we need a mid to run with Steele. i can't see us turning our back on Crouch now. we have gone too far down the path.

plus we have a good rep right now. we get trades done. so player managers know our club will get their player to our club. which is one of their biggest concerns and a big source of anxiety in players and their management.

it'd be a terrible look to then drop crouch because the cost was too high.

I just hope they don’t match so we don’t need to worry about which draft picks get it done.

but I’d be surprised if we let him go as much as most people here don’t want to trade for him.

 

[LiterallyNobody]

There are two types of people in the world:

Crouch without blinking.

Treloar easily.

Which one are you?

 

[Remboy]

we need a mid to run with Steele. i can't see us turning our back on Crouch now. we have gone too far down the path.

plus we have a good rep right now. we get trades done. so player managers know our club will get their player to our club. which is one of their biggest concerns and a big source of anxiety in players and their management.

it'd be a terrible look to then drop crouch because the cost was too high.

We showed last year that once a player nominates us we get the deal done. Crouch will be a Saint next year.

 

[Mowman]

we need a mid to run with Steele. i can't see us turning our back on Crouch now. we have gone too far down the path.

plus we have a good rep right now. we get trades done. so player managers know our club will get their player to our club. which is one of their biggest concerns and a big source of anxiety in players and their management.

it'd be a terrible look to then drop crouch because the cost was too high.

Agree
But if we have offered 5 x 650 and he has agreed to that we then don't go oh Crows want pick two lets give him 5 x 800
We got him at 5 x 650 because he is a RFA and he f****d up at the end of the year

 

[LiterallyNobody]

We showed last year that once a player nominates us we get the deal done. Crouch will be a Saint next year.

I’m actually more confident of crouch than I am of Higgins.

 

[Browny2Carlisle]

Crouch without blinking.

You should probably blink. It's giving you very bad eyesight.

 

[StCicatriz]

Agree
But if we have offered 5 x 650 and he has agreed to that we then don't go oh Crows want pick two lets give him 5 x 800
We got him at 5 x 650 because he is a RFA and he f****d up at the end of the year

i think there might be some magic going on with the length of the contract and condensing how much he earns...

but if we can't get the pick 2 compo for them without paying more, i think trade is likely which tbh i think will reduce what adelaide can get for him

 

[triggering bro]

There are two types of people in the world:

Im on the Crouch train mainly because paying Treloar 900k until he’s 32 is dangerous business.

 

[bird_man]

i think a lot of what we are doing is to ensure we have depth to cover gresham. i think they will be very cautious with how they use him given his back issues..

I don't think his stress fracture are that big of a deal to be honest.

 

[Enclosed_Animal]

If we land Higgins, we need to send a thank you hamper to Dan Rioli.
His ability to get games ahead of Butler and Higgins despite being horrible has been a huge helping hand for us.

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[LiterallyNobody]

Im on the Crouch train mainly because paying Treloar 900k until he’s 32 is dangerous business.

Yeah that’s fraught with danger that one.

 

[Browny2Carlisle]

I like Crouch but not at a big cost. If Adelaide want to play silly buggers we shouldn't budge.
I think we have enough improvement in Clark and Bytel to cover him and if we want to spend big on someone it should be someone better than Crouch, who is a FA being booted out the door.

 

[Mr Pickles]

we need a mid to run with Steele. i can't see us turning our back on Crouch now. we have gone too far down the path.

plus we have a good rep right now. we get trades done. so player managers know our club will get their player to our club. which is one of their biggest concerns and a big source of anxiety in players and their management.

it'd be a terrible look to then drop crouch because the cost was too high.

While there is some truth in that, we also shouldn't pull our pants down to make it happen. I trust that we've got good operators in place now, and we do have a fair bit of leverage in this particular situation as Adelaide being stuck with crouch on big money and a long term contract is not something they want. It really seems to be a buyers market this year, so if we did miss out or pass on Crouch because Adelaide want to be unrealistic, it's Adelaide that will make it's own bed and will pay the price. We simply pivot and move on to plan B.

 

[Peterbudge]

Probably been mentioned but why would the Crows match. There's a big risk of not getting 15 and/or being left with a player who doesnt want to be there. If they dont match they get an early 20s pick anyway.

 

[lewdogs]

Crouch and Higgins would be one hell of a trade period. Higgins is an absolute gun and we probably haven't seen what he can be as a mid yet.

 

[rynoshark]

Are contingent years treated like contingent bonuses for Free Agency purposes? I’m Pretty sure I read that you don’t have to account for possible AA bonuses etc for “matching” purposes.. what wondering whether same is true for years of a contract contingent on trigger and compensation pick calc ?

if not counted for matching (and assuming compensation also), then perhaps we make 5th year contingent with low (highly likely to be met threshold), e.g. 20 games in previously 2 years, andfront end contract?

E.g. year 1-4 = $850k, year 5 (contingent/if triggered) $350k.

 

[Mowman]

Are contingent years treated like contingent bonuses for Free Agency purposes? I’m Pretty sure I read that you don’t have to account for possible AA bonuses etc for “matching” purposes.. what wondering whether same is true for years of a contract contingent on trigger and compensation pick calc ?

if not counted for matching (and assuming compensation also), then perhaps we make 5th year contingent with low (highly likely to be met threshold), e.g. 20 games in previously 2 years, andfront end contract?

E.g. year 1-4 = $850k, year 5 (contingent/if triggered) $350k.

If we are paying him $850k for 4 years we have lost the plot
By front ending it, it will stuff our SC for the next 3 years

 

[Sippa]

Adelaides reason for wanting to match goes against what free agency is about in my opinion ... if they only want to match if it’s not pick 2 for a better pick then they shouldn’t be matching because they don’t want him .. it’s rorting the system

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

not entirely true, once the paper work is lodged, if adelaide match the deal, he is still a contracted crow but he is coming out of contract. exactly like say Lonie right now.

only if he signs the Crows contract .. as the paperwork has been lodged for his transfer the new matched offer becomes his new contract should he sign it .. if he doesnt sign it his contract with the crows ends and his only option is the draft ... i dont think the crows can match the FA offer and still have him contracted to his old contract at the same time otherwise free agency wouldnt work and every club would jus match the offer and trade them under their old contract ..

 

[SaintJunior]

Told you there would be news on another player this week. Anyway.

Mate you have zero credibility, you never name specifics until after the fact.

If that floats your boat then great , but you really are just a laughing stock and seen as a joke.

 

[Captain Paddy]

Reckon Adelaide are just being desperate and trying to scare us in to upping our offer so they get band 2.

if we overpay Crouch, it could kill us with guys like Billings, Clark, Coff etc all coming out of contract in the next couple of years

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

we need a mid to run with Steele. i can't see us turning our back on Crouch now. we have gone too far down the path.

plus we have a good rep right now. we get trades done. so player managers know our club will get their player to our club. which is one of their biggest concerns and a big source of anxiety in players and their management.

it'd be a terrible look to then drop crouch because the cost was too high.

the cost has been agreed too though ... this is the point people are missing ... we put an offer to Brad and he accepted it as a free agent thats all we have to appease if the crows choose to match it the thats their right as the owning club of the restricted free agent .. its not on St Kilda to then upp the offer and run through a trade option for him we have given our offer its been accepted the rest is between Brad and the crows ...
its not like the Hill trade where we did all the wooing of Hill and got him to choose us but then we HAD to get the trade done therwise we look like amateurs .. Hill being contracted and not a FA meant the pressure was on us to get the deal done , with Crouch the pressure isnt on us to do the deal , we have done the deal the pressure is on the Crows to either let him go and take the compo or match and either try to trade or accept that they have him on the contract they never wanted to give him ...
St Kilda come out clean in this what ever way you look at it