List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Thread.....

[barnrokn]

Any single ladies on BF?

Its complicated

 

[BowWow1978]

Wait what?

We thought he was worth $750k.

He then kicks 8 goals in 9 games.

So we should now up our offer to $800k?

That's what was reported (the $750K figure) I don't believe anything the AFL media reports - nothing. He played injured all year and as the rest of my post says, it wasn't exactly a great midfield delivering the ball to him. We had a grand total of two players who kicked double figures in goals this year - two FFS! Last time I checked, kicking goals was a pretty important factor in how you win games.

Re the offer to Brown, it's about the size of the salary cap and where the player is rated on your list. This, along with list profile, age etc is how you determine the salary of your players. Remember that clubs also have to pay 95% of the cap as a rule (I think this is on a rolling 2 or 3 year basis, but not 100% sure on this.) So they can't just say "you're all shithouse, we are going to pay you $350k per year. They HAVE to pay 95% of the cap.

Brown is clearly in our top 5 players - that puts him in the $750-$1m pay bracket. Prior to this year, he'd kicked the second most goals in the comp over the previous 3 years. If we take the 3 years at $750k as gospel, then his management was absolutely correct to knock it back at the time as it was under valued. We are paying Polec around $700K for christ sake!

Now i can almost predict your response that he wishes he'd accepted it now, and I bet that he does. But that's revisionist history at it's finest. Nobody knew we were about to have a pandemic, play in a hub and that he was going to hurt his knee. If he'd had another 60+ goal season, the offers would've been even higher than $800K. As a % of salary cap, $800K for a 60 goal forward is absolutely reasonable.

 

[Kangaroo Cat]

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You never know! the last one isn't exactly a hard act to follow. Effing * supporters

 

[1975]

Nobody can convince me that 14 odd game of BBB at Marvel and two in Tassie in 2021 is a bad idea.

Tony Lockett would've struggled to kick a goal in our forward line this year with the way we were moving the ball and delivering it to our forwards. Plus Larkey and Brown played maybe 1 or 2 games together? This means Brown got 2 or 3 defenders on him every time. He also played with a dodgy knee for the whole year.

What are we honestly expecting in return for him? Especially after the club put out an idiotic statement saying they were open to moving him on. Talk about devaluing your own asset! Mind shattering stupidity. Unless the offer from a rival club is a pick inside the top 15, then I am saying no way.

3 years on $800K is fair for Brown. We should just offer him that and get it done. The cap this year was approx $13m, so as a % of the cap, it's entirely reasonable. I understand it will drop for next year, but surely not by a huge %? It simply can't drop too much, there's already many contracts in place all over the league that have to be honoured, which were structured under the old salary cap.

We had a diabolical run with injury this year (which nobody in the media seems aware of when assessing our seasons performance.) If we had Cunners/BBB/JZ/Taylor/Thomas/Garner fit and on the park, along with another pre-season into the likes of Zurhaar, Larkey, Jy, Anderson, Scott, Dumont, LDU, LMAC etc and a couple of good young picks who debut round one, then things can turn around very quickly. If we keep Higgo and Taz continues to be a rock down back with Walker, then it's not all doom and gloom.

The media and other clubs have consistently underestimated and undervalued our players. We all know that. Goldy was clearly the AA ruckman and didn't even make the squad of 40 FFS.
Unfortunately, i feel that our supporters have started undervaluing our players as well. We will be better than a lot of people think next year. Definitely not bottom 4 and maybe sneaking up towards a spot from 7th-10th.

However if we trade BBB and Higgo for speculative 2nd round picks, then I'd say it's deliberate "tank city" next year and everything I've said above becomes null and void.

Remember, it wasn't long ago that Port Adelaide were losing player after player and could barely keep the lights on.....

“Tony Lockett would've struggled to kick a goal in our forward line this year with the way we were moving the ball and delivering it to our forwards.”

yes but he would not have been ragdolled or out marked

 

[White Krakouer]

You know who was a really successful late round pick? Ben Brown...

Try and find a really successful pick from the second round - the apparent market rate we will likely be trading him for.

 

[giantroo]

 

[barnrokn]

Wouldnt have thought so, Good Friday is our game. We pioneered it.

What happened to Friday nights?

 

[BowWow1978]

Try and find a really successful pick from the second round - the apparent market rate we will likely be trading him for.

I'm with you. I'm not advocating trading him at all. See above post.

 

[BowWow1978]

“Tony Lockett would've struggled to kick a goal in our forward line this year with the way we were moving the ball and delivering it to our forwards.”

yes but he would not have been ragdolled or out marked

We won't ever know, because he never had 3 or 4 defenders on him like Brown did. Footy was played differently.

 

[barnrokn]

You never know! the last one isn't exactly a hard act to follow. Effing * supporters

* serves ya right

 

[DuckYeah]

What happened to Friday nights?

If I can recall correctly, the VFL were a bunch of campaigners. the game expanded with new teams they need to find more time slots is the excuse. Thehve always been a pack of campaigners

 

[Rooboy 96]

Not surprised when all they offered was JSOS and Kennedy...

oh were we expected to trade for JSOS and Kennedy

 

[Kangaroo Cat]

* serves ya right

I'd date north supporters if i actually encountered a few in person

 

[White Krakouer]

It’s the speculative nature of the picks we may get in return for BBB and Polec and Higgo that I worry about.
Worst draft ever, great time to snag a few 2nd rounders.
If we were to get some players or higher picks back then I can see the logic.
I fear we may have forced ourselves into a corner we can’t recover from in these possible moves.
You don’t go out and advertise that your marriage has just broken up while selling your house (you can guarantee a lower price because of your perceived desperation to liquidate your assets due to divorce settlement) and I don’t see reconciliation on the table with BBB or Polec.

Spot on. Sadly, there is no reason for North fans to be excited by these moves at this stage if industry speculation is anything to go off.

We can only hope things start to swing in our favour as more information comes to light.

 

[DuckYeah]

I'd date north supporters if i actually encountered a few in person

Rare commodity

 

[King Corey]

Carlton miss out on another big fish?

 

[New_Roo]

Carlton miss out on another big fish?

I reckon it's the other way around.... don't need graham now as planning on playing Williams in the mid


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[Passmore]

Maybe we think Brown is going to physically struggle over the next couple of years, hence the reduced contract offer.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Im gathering Boomer no longer works at the club then.

 

[benbanjo]

Rare commodity

 

[Danni_Benson]

Given that AFL's lack of commitment towards this game and North Melbourne's involvement in it then I'd suggest it would be in serious jeopardy and that the Saints and Dogs would be a possibility.

Having said that, Carlton held the season opener despite having a putrid team, both Essendon and Collingwood have played on ANZAC Day as reigning wooden spooners, Melbourne have kept playing on the Queen's Birthday through the past 15 years, and that Hawthorn/Geelong on Easter Monday next year looms as a potential blowout. But yeah, none of those teams is North and Good Friday hasn't been embedded as a true football day.

Agree however they also have large supporter bases and turn up no matter what. Same can’t be said of us. You can’t have a marquee game with a half full stadium. Plus we’ve just got rid of our two most marketable players being Daw and Brown whom I’m sure helped getting North families through the turnstile. Kids loved them both.

 

[krakouers]

$300 quid off Ziebell?

What a bargin!

 

[7577969923]

$300 quid off Ziebell?

What a bargin!

Grand Sale.Grand Sale. Grand Sale.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Anyone else worried that Corr hasn't nominated North like Williams has Carlton?

As mentioned in the Corr thread, neither Williams or his manager have spoken publicly on him nominating Carlton. It's all done by media until the trade window starts. The only official word from either Williams or Corr has been made by GWS and that is only that they are exploring free agency.

As far as I can see the media has confirmed Corr to North with as much conviction as Williams to the Blues.

 

[barnrokn]

If I can recall correctly, the VFL were a bunch of campaigners. the game expanded with new teams they need to find more time slots is the excuse. Thehve always been a pack of campaigners

Or once it became profitable they took it off us and yeah they are a bunch of c&$!s