List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Thread.....

[North11]

The only skill wright has is being 2 metres tall. That's it.

Hence the nickname ‘two-metre Peter’

 

[Psicosis]

Not necessarily disagreeing but what's your thinking behind Hayden being an untouchable?

I'll assume Perez, Mahoney and Comben are excluded from discussion due to 1st year status.

Hard to argue with that grouping.

You could mount a case for Higgins also.

The interesting decision if you went full slash and burn would be who is priority out of Brown and Daw. Brown more dependable year on year and younger but more valuable at the trade table. Not saying I want to trade him (which I don't).

In regards to Hayden, I mean that he's a kid that's shown enough potential to show that he is worth persisting with long-term. Also balanced that with the fact he has minimal market value, versus what he could potentially become.

Agree re the first year players.

You could make a case for Higgins also, as well as Brown, Frog etc., but where does it stop? I've gone with three key pillars to our senior side, meaning that we still have some blokes that do have some trade value.

 

[ferball]

The list rebuild should have happened after 2016 but better late than never.

2016 - 10 players gone.
2017 - 8 players gone.
2018 - 12 players gone.
2019 - 7 players gone.

37 players in four seasons is nearly a full list.

In that time our tradeable players were who?

Taz, Brown the last season or two, Ziebell as we made him captain, Goldy, Cunners, Higgo, who else? Maybe Jed after his one break out year (2018). As a 24 year old. When you'd think he'd be part of a rebuild.

Dunno what else we could have done.

Last year everyone was on board for a shot at a flag and wanted to give Shaw a run at a full season so obviously wouldn't have traded anyone but before that what could we have seriously done in 2017 and 18 to aid a "proper rebuild?"

Or who else should we have dumped in 2016?

 

[Johnny99]

And there's a big thing called a share and property portfolio outside of Footyland that allows that to happen..

If players are getting shares or property after they retire, they may be outsmarting the AFL (not hard to do), but what about the government - ATO ?

Be it cash, shares or property, it is still earnings and is taxable at the highest rate.

And you are basically saying, footballers are prepared to risk tax avoidance, which is punishable by hefty fines and in some cases jail, to go to the big clubs, when they can earn less but legal, somewhere else.

Yeah right !

I think this conversation is a little over you and furryballs head...LOL

 

[Devington]

2016 - 10 players gone.
2017 - 8 players gone.
2018 - 12 players gone.
2019 - 7 players gone.

37 players in four seasons is nearly a full list.

In that time our tradeable players were who?

Taz, Brown the last season or two, Ziebell as we made him captain, Goldy, Cunners, Higgo, who else? Maybe Jed after his one break out year (2018). As a 24 year old. When you'd think he'd be part of a rebuild.

Dunno what else we could have done.

Last year everyone was on board for a shot at a flag and wanted to give Shaw a run at a full season so obviously wouldn't have traded anyone but before that what could we have seriously done in 2017 and 18 to aid a "proper rebuild?"

Or who else should we have dumped in 2016?

Pretty sure Dumont has had some serious interest, and Wood definitely had some very high value for a period.

Truth of the matter though is that for a long stretch of Scott's tenure for every player that left the club there was a high chance they were replaced with a dud kid or late 20's footballer with a shelf life guaranteeing we could never make a return on them.

Our drafting the last 3-4 had been a lot better than the previous years of Scott's rule (except those pesky queenslanders), but we still continued to pick up players who have been of bugger all value, and ultimately kept us from bottoming out instead of what they should have been doing which was helping us win flags.

 

[Johnny99]

Dumont should be traded. He will get a game at Adelaide. He is one of many plodders at North with ok skills. But he is too slow. If our youth come through, he is out anyway, so lets trade him before he is worthless.

 

[Merlin007]

can somebody re-post the list of contracted/OOC players (or direct me to the original)

 

[pupstar]

Dumont should be traded. He will get a game at Adelaide. He is one of many plodders at North with ok skills. But he is too slow. If our youth come through, he is out anyway, so lets trade him before he is worthless.

Dumont should be traded. He will get a game at Adelaide. He is one of many plodders at North with ok skills. But he is too slow. If our youth come through, he is out anyway, so lets trade him before he is worthless.

Be good Johnny.

 

[Shermanator]

If players are getting shares or property after they retire, they may be outsmarting the AFL (not hard to do), but what about the government - ATO ?

Be it cash, shares or property, it is still earnings and is taxable at the highest rate.

And you are basically saying, footballers are prepared to risk tax avoidance, which is punishable by hefty fines and in some cases jail, to go to the big clubs, when they can earn less but legal, somewhere else.

Yeah right !

I think this conversation is a little over you and furryballs head...LOL

Roll another scoob and go back and read your original reply on this matter.. you're clearly stoned..

 

[DesertRoo]

No.

What is this salary cap you speak of?

Celery in a hat?

 

[DrZaius]

If players are getting shares or property after they retire, they may be outsmarting the AFL (not hard to do), but what about the government - ATO ?

Be it cash, shares or property, it is still earnings and is taxable at the highest rate.

And you are basically saying, footballers are prepared to risk tax avoidance, which is punishable by hefty fines and in some cases jail, to go to the big clubs, when they can earn less but legal, somewhere else.

Yeah right !

I think this conversation is a little over you and furryballs head...LOL

?? How would things like sponsorship endorsements, token jobs etc. be against the law?

 

[ChoppyGun]

Roll another scoob and go back and read your original reply on this matter.. you're clearly stoned..

Covid is sending people a little mad I think.....ha

 

[Harris 10]

Keen to get a look at O’Hallaran tomorrow night, type of player we could target.

 

[Themanbun]

Paddy McCartin apparently has had some really positive neuro results this year and is aiming to be on a list in 2021 - thoughts on picking him up?

I know we have a habit of selecting perennially injured players and I'd be super cautious of it.

If our main big man up forward goes then maybe it would cross our minds?

 

[7577969923]

Paddy McCartin apparently has had some really positive neuro results recently and is aiming to be on a list in 2021 - thoughts on picking him up?

I know we have a habit of selecting perennially injured players and I'd be super cautious of it.

If our main big man up forward goes then maybe it would cross our minds?

I'm all for taking a risk but that would be a massive gamble.

 

[Themanbun]

I'm all for taking a risk but that would be a massive gamble.

Definitely. If list sizes reduce I can't see him on a list next year. Duty of care to him also makes me worry. But I can't help to wonder what he could be.

 

[year of the roo]

Paddy McCartin apparently has had some really positive neuro results recently and is aiming to be on a list in 2021 - thoughts on picking him up?

I know we have a habit of selecting perennially injured players and I'd be super cautious of it.

If our main big man up forward goes then maybe it would cross our minds?

He needs to go play VFL or something next year and hope for a mid-season draft lifeline.

 

[7577969923]

Definitely. If list sizes reduce I can't see him on a list next year.

I would say his only chance would be to play VFL next year and nominate for the mid-year draft if those things even exist next year.

 

[SnowRoo]

So if we are looking at 18 and 19 for Brown.

18 to Crows for Fogarty
19 to Dee's for Brayshaw

?

 

[Roo Beauty]

So if we are looking at 18 and 19 for Brown.

18 to Crows for Fogarty
19 to Dee's for Brayshaw

?

No and no. Take them to the draft.

 

[krakouers]

“More broadly, there is an argument within the AFL industry that smaller clubs such as North, the Dogs, Port Adelaide and Melbourne must place a greater emphasis on drafting compared to teams with more resources who are better placed to land sought-after recruits from other clubs and expensive free agents“

I’d put the house on that being straight out of Paul Connors mouth.

It’s straight out of Football playbook (Soccer)

 

[LB2Snake]

I'd rather see Hayden in the middle but I like what Shaw has done with him in terms of pushing him to defend. Is he any different to Williams in terms of kicking ability or creative play tho? Don't mind that experimentation, and Pittard should have stayed forward yesterday.

Marley v Kyron? I think Kyron gone flying past Marley personally. Theirs also a much higher ceiling and a lot more to be gained by playing Kyron. Yes agree I think he will go in middle soon, or I hope so too. I feel like we’ve seen the best of Marley. What’s the upside of playing him.

 

[Val Keating]

I'm all for chasing Peter Wright, i hear he's a bit of a dead eye dick.

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Has he got a gimpy leg or is it just the camera?

Either way, he had me with the head tat.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Has he got a gimpy leg or is it just the camera?

Either way, he had me with the head tat.

Don't follow the darts?

That's Peter "Snakebite" Wright, one of the best players in the world.

His leg is fine and that head tattoo is just a stick on. It's part of his schtick.

 

[Merlin007]

My list of untouchables:

Jy Simpkin
LDU
Tarryn Thomas
Kyron Hayden
Curtis Taylor
Nick Larkey
Bailey Scott
Cameron Zurhaar
Ben Mckay
Todd Goldstein
Robbie Tarrant
Ben Cunnington

Bolded in Blue are the young blokes that we need to build the team around - They're the future, all having proven at AFL level.
Bolded in Purple are three senior players across every line except Forward (Ruck, Defense, Midfield). Without these three, our kids will be thrown to the wolves.

That leaves quite a comprehensive list of players that we can trade &/or delist. Obviously it's not going to be the case with all (we might turnover 5-8 max), however it does give us some trade value for acquiring more picks this and next year, as well as moving on some of the deadweight that sits in our 26-30 age bracket.

Yep, agree with that; my only qualification would be that if the club could get a 2nd rounder for Goldy (assuming he'd agree), incl paying part of his contract, we should take it