List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Thread.....

[LB2Snake]

I half watched the whole game tonight....but didnt really notice Zac Williams much. ...was he any good?


edit just checked his P’s. 13 touches.

 

[ChoppyGun]

I half watched the whole game tonight....but didnt really notice Zac Williams much. ...was he any good?


edit just checked his P’s. 13 touches.

Zac is good.......when he is good - cant miss him.

A bit overrated imo.

 

[zoomba23]

Zac is good.......when he is good - cant miss him.

A bit overrated imo.

Would still love to have him here. The exact type of player we need

 

[Johnny99]

Would still love to have him here. The exact type of player we need

Why do you want him ? So he can improve us from 15 to 9 ? Middle of the road again......yeah !
Let's hit the draft/trade. Get quality youth on the list. It might take 2-3 years. And then hit Free Agency when our window is opening.

 

[New_Roo]

Would still love to have him here. The exact type of player we need

I certainly noticed him last night but then again I was focused on him which was prob why!


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[New_Roo]

I certainly noticed him last night but then again I was focused on him which was prob why!


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I was also watching the two ooc midfielders too in Caldwell and OHall. While Caldwell played more forward its def him of the two I prefer the look of....tackles well clean and explosive....


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[zoomba23]

Why do you want him ? So he can improve us from 15 to 9 ? Middle of the road again......yeah !
Let's hit the draft/trade. Get quality youth on the list. It might take 2-3 years. And then hit Free Agency when our window is opening.

Turns 26 this year. Still got 4 good years left in him minimum. He's not such good quality that he'd singlehandedly take us to a midtable finish. We'd still finish near the bottom, just with a bit of added quality and composure down back, which, if I'm honest, we sorely need right now. He would make a huge contribution to the team and would be a great mentor for our up and coming half-backs (Hayden, Murphy if he ever gets a game, Bonar if he stays down back). Would also be a good defensive general once Taz and Maj retire. Don't see why you would be shying away from quality players during a rebuild. Hit the draft, by all means. But don't neglect the opportunity to pick up a quality free agent here and there. Then you're all set for when everything finally clicks into place.

 

[The Nostradamus]

I was also watching the two ooc midfielders too in Caldwell and OHall. While Caldwell played more forward its def him of the two I prefer the look of....tackles well clean and explosive....


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Caldwell for a second rounder would be ideal

 

[New_Roo]

Caldwell for a second rounder would be ideal

Don't think they would be asking for a first rder for Caldwell surely when got Tom green, and ohall still in reserves... can't understand the negative attitudes with Zac... he would be ideal and bonus that no picks required... get those two and still have the two first rders in tact


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[ferball]

If players are getting shares or property after they retire, they may be outsmarting the AFL (not hard to do), but what about the government - ATO ?

Be it cash, shares or property, it is still earnings and is taxable at the highest rate.

And you are basically saying, footballers are prepared to risk tax avoidance, which is punishable by hefty fines and in some cases jail, to go to the big clubs, when they can earn less but legal, somewhere else.

Yeah right !

I think this conversation is a little over you and furryballs head...LOL

What about the government?

The AFL doesn't enforce tax law and afaik it doesn't have the right to examine players private financial dealings. It places a salary cap on clubs. Richmond actually admitted earlier this year that the sponsorship they arranged with Puma for Dustin Martin was the only thing that enabled them to match our offer. That sponsorship deal was outside the salary cap.

Ergo while "there is this Little thing called the salary cap" in cases like that where it is sposed to have a particular effect on limiting what money clubs can get for players it clearly doesn't.

Is there anything you know of that prevents across the board deals like that or like the deals offered some West Coast players?

Cos if not what is to stop the scenario we are discussing becoming one where small clubs become nurseries for big clubs. The big clubs will simply set up systems outside the salary cap that let them poach players. Maybe not for every player or even every good player but definitely for every top line absolutely elite player.

In fact there will be articles all year speculating on which big clubs the gun players small clubs have developed will go to once their "development contract" expires.

 

[ferball]

Roll another scoob and go back and read your original reply on this matter.. you're clearly stoned..

If he is stoned it's unclearly.

 

[muttley45]

Is that little Daniels from the Giants out of contract next year ? reckon he is a little bit under rated.

 

[Obedient Spatula]

Is that little Daniels from the Giants out of contract next year ? reckon he is a little bit under rated.

Him or caldwell for our 2nd this year wouldnt be a bad get

 

[Shermanator]

What about the government?

The AFL doesn't enforce tax law and afaik it doesn't have the right to examine players private financial dealings. It places a salary cap on clubs. Richmond actually admitted earlier this year that the sponsorship they arranged with Puma for Dustin Martin was the only thing that enabled them to match our offer. That sponsorship deal was outside the salary cap.

Ergo while "there is this Little thing called the salary cap" in cases like that where it is sposed to have a particular effect on limiting what money clubs can get for players it clearly doesn't.

Is there anything you know of that prevents across the board deals like that or like the deals offered some West Coast players?

Cos if not what is to stop the scenario we are discussing becoming one where small clubs become nurseries for big clubs. The big clubs will simply set up systems outside the salary cap that let them poach players. Maybe not for every player or even every good player but definitely for every top line absolutely elite player.

In fact there will be articles all year speculating on which big clubs the gun players small clubs have developed will go to once their "development contract" expires.

I was going to say exactly that Ferbs, but I couldn’t be stuffed writing it all, only to fall on stoned ears..

Well written mate.

 

[archereleven]

Is that little Daniels from the Giants out of contract next year ? reckon he is a little bit under rated.

Lively

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[Souup]

Is that little Daniels from the Giants out of contract next year ? reckon he is a little bit under rated.

Corey Durdin in this year's draft is very similar to Bret Daniels. He'll be there abouts with our 2nd rounder.

 

[Johnny99]

What about the government?

The AFL doesn't enforce tax law and afaik it doesn't have the right to examine players private financial dealings. It places a salary cap on clubs. Richmond actually admitted earlier this year that the sponsorship they arranged with Puma for Dustin Martin was the only thing that enabled them to match our offer. That sponsorship deal was outside the salary cap.

Ergo while "there is this Little thing called the salary cap" in cases like that where it is sposed to have a particular effect on limiting what money clubs can get for players it clearly doesn't.

Is there anything you know of that prevents across the board deals like that or like the deals offered some West Coast players?

No offence, its obvious you don't understand the business world.

Any transfer of asset to another party, ie. Payments of property and shares to a player, would trigger ATO - CGT implications and not to mention SRO inquiries for property transfers.

Its why drug dealers launder the proceeds from drug sales. They just dont go down to westpac and open up a savings account and deposit $1 mill.

 

[Asifhe Givashe]

We need to do something drastic, I don’t exactly know what is possible but something along the lines of the following, Brady, please.

Starting picks 3, ~7, 28. ~56, ~60

Zac Williams on 5x $700k

Trades:
1. Goldstein > Geelong > Pick 11 (we pay 3/4 of his salary for 24 months)
2. Dumont + Ahern + Durdin > Adelaide > Pick 19 + 2021 R3
3. Ziebell + Turner + Atley + 19+28+56+60 + 2021 R1 > Sydney > Papley + 4
4. 11 + 2021 R3 > Richmond > Bolton + 17
5. Brown > Essendon > 8 + 2021 R1

2020 Draft: 3,4,7,8,17

3: Philips
4. DGB
7. Hollands
8. Cox
17. Macrae

B: McDonald - Tarrant - Higgins
HB: ZWilliams - McKay - Perez
C: Polec - DaviesUniake - SBolton
HF: Zurhaar - Larkey - Thomas
F: Papley - Comben - Cunnington
R: Xerri - Simpkin - Philips
IC: Hollands Hayden Taylor Daw

Em: Scott, Macrae, DGB, WWalker, Vickers-Willis, Cox.

 

[Souup]

We need to do something drastic, I don’t exactly know what is possible but something along the lines of the following, Brady, please.

Starting picks 3, ~7, 28. ~56, ~60

Zac Williams on 5x $700k

Trades:
1. Goldstein > Geelong > Pick 11 (we pay 3/4 of his salary for 24 months)
2. Dumont + Ahern + Durdin > Adelaide > Pick 19 + 2021 R3
3. Ziebell + Turner + Atley + 19+28+56+60 + 2021 R1 > Sydney > Papley + 4
4. 11 + 2021 R3 > Richmond > Bolton + 17
5. Brown > Essendon > 8 + 2021 R1

2020 Draft: 3,4,7,8,17

3: Philips
4. DGB
7. Hollands
8. Cox
17. Macrae

B: McDonald - Tarrant - Higgins
HB: ZWilliams - McKay - Perez
C: Polec - DaviesUniake - SBolton
HF: Zurhaar - Larkey - Thomas
F: Papley - Comben - Cunnington
R: Xerri - Simpkin - Philips
IC: Hollands Hayden Taylor Daw

Em: Scott, Macrae, DGB, WWalker, Vickers-Willis, Cox.

- Geelong are not giving up a first round pick for a 32 year old ruckmen who is going to decline at any moment.
- Adelaide are not giving up pick 19 and a 2021 Third rounder for two guys we should/will delist + Dumont
- Sydney are not going to agree to that deal, not even close. They themselves are trying to rebuild but they're going to fill their list with 3 average North players?
- Richmond are not going to give away Bolton for basically a 2021 R3 pick
- Essendon are not paying two first rounders for Ben Brown - no one is. If we get offered one top 10 pick for Brown we'd be lucky.

Appreciate the effort you put into this post and your imagination but this legitimately reads like an off-season in a video game.

 

[LB2Snake]

We need to do something drastic, I don’t exactly know what is possible but something along the lines of the following, Brady, please.

Starting picks 3, ~7, 28. ~56, ~60

Zac Williams on 5x $700k

Trades:
1. Goldstein > Geelong > Pick 11 (we pay 3/4 of his salary for 24 months)
2. Dumont + Ahern + Durdin > Adelaide > Pick 19 + 2021 R3
3. Ziebell + Turner + Atley + 19+28+56+60 + 2021 R1 > Sydney > Papley + 4
4. 11 + 2021 R3 > Richmond > Bolton + 17
5. Brown > Essendon > 8 + 2021 R1

2020 Draft: 3,4,7,8,17

3: Philips
4. DGB
7. Hollands
8. Cox
17. Macrae

B: McDonald - Tarrant - Higgins
HB: ZWilliams - McKay - Perez
C: Polec - DaviesUniake - SBolton
HF: Zurhaar - Larkey - Thomas
F: Papley - Comben - Cunnington
R: Xerri - Simpkin - Philips
IC: Hollands Hayden Taylor Daw

Em: Scott, Macrae, DGB, WWalker, Vickers-Willis, Cox.

I have zero confidence that Zac Williams will choose North .......he will be blue bound IMO. Disastrous, but unfortunately feel we have no chance.

 

[Souup]

I have zero confidence that Zac Williams will choose North .......he will be blue bound IMO. Disastrous, but unfortunately feel we have no chance.

He can get stuffed if that's the case. I want players coming to our club because they want to be part of it, not because we threw a bunch of cash at them.

Look what throwing a bunch of cash at Dal Santo and Polec achieved for us.

 

[krakouers]

I have zero confidence that Zac Williams will choose North .......he will be blue bound IMO. Disastrous, but unfortunately feel we have no chance.

I dunno about that, reckon their last few years means that cap is pretty tight

 

[Shermanator]

I dunno about that, reckon their last few years means that cap is pretty tight

Paddy Cripps hasn’t had his pay rise yet either

 

[Bend_It_Like_Brown]

I would be trying to get as many draft picks in the top 50 as we can.

 

[Souup]

I would be trying to get as many draft picks in the top 50 as we can.

I'd be aiming at somehow trying to get 1 more first rounder this year and a first rounder for next year's draft. Quality of picks better than quantity.

The only way I can see this realistically happening is if we find clubs particularly interested in Brown and/or Polec.