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[SurreyBlue]

SpS should be played wing/half forward. Then sit back and watch him run the lines and cut the opposition up...

 

[Own The Future]

He really hasn't. Had flashes but that's about it.

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I agree that he’s not dominating, but I think it’s important to take into account what he is being asked to do. That is difficult because the coach’s instructions are not public knowledge, but our gameplan may not involve him being a high-disposal player. He may be asked to perform a more close checking role, and not run free and kick-chase as many HBFs do.
I’ve said before on here that he seems to be playing a bit of a Caleb Daniel role, starting the forward chain with a 20-30m kick to calm things down. His kick to Gibbons at the 1min to go mark last week is a prime example of that. I was questioned about this in saying that a 6th pick in the draft shouldn’t be wasted on a HBF, but I’ll state again that if a player is performing their role for the team I really don’t care where they were drafted.
I’d love him to utilise his skill set a little more and maybe provide some more run, but again it’s hard to assess how well he’s performing without knowing his instructions.

 

[F_therest]

All being well, Macreadie gets himself in the position where he may take over from Jones.
That seems like a it may be too much of a reach right now, but this would have made for the ideal situation.

Right now at least Macreadie is probably last option for a FB position...hopefully he is over his injuries and can build some form.

If Jones was out I reckon our preferences would be:

• If Charlie was fit we'd move Casboult back
• Marchbank if fit - Weitering taking the biggest forward
• Even if Charlie isn't fit but all our other tall forwards are we may move Casboult back
• Goddard playing that shut down full back role
• Hell even BSOS might be ahead of Macreadie right now
• Take the risk and play a smaller player as a KPD
• Macreadie

 

[HARKER]

Right now at least Macreadie is probably last option for a FB position...hopefully he is over his injuries and can build some form.

If Jones was out I reckon our preferences would be:

• If Charlie was fit we'd move Casboult back
• Marchbank if fit - Weitering taking the biggest forward
• Even if Charlie isn't fit but all our other tall forwards are we may move Casboult back
• Goddard playing that shut down full back role
• Hell even BSOS might be ahead of Macreadie right now
• Take the risk and play a smaller player as a KPD
• Macreadie

It's all in the first two words - Right now

I'm talking about the future, as Jones has at least another two years beyond this one, but in the event of injury, Macreadie is way behind, although that could change in the coming weeks. Let's see how he performs and whether his body stands up, if there are to be more scratch matches.

For me, Macreadie has a lot more potential than Goddard or BSilvagni and we'll find out soon enough whether he's finally got over the injuries.

 

[Own The Future]

Right now at least Macreadie is probably last option for a FB position...hopefully he is over his injuries and can build some form.

If Jones was out I reckon our preferences would be:

• If Charlie was fit we'd move Casboult back
• Marchbank if fit - Weitering taking the biggest forward
• Even if Charlie isn't fit but all our other tall forwards are we may move Casboult back
• Goddard playing that shut down full back role
• Hell even BSOS might be ahead of Macreadie right now
• Take the risk and play a smaller player as a KPD
• Macreadie

Just on our backs, I wonder what the mindset of our coaching panel is re the KPB matchups. A few weeks ago vs StK I’d have thought LJ was the best matchup for King. Almost identical in height, speed and leaping ability. King is not currently a 1-on-1 beast, he’ll beat you on the lead or at full stretch. I know he only kicked 2, but signs weren’t great vs JW. Weiters is surely better suited vs the bigger bodied forwards - such as Dixon. I know the idea was for JW to be 3rd man up or to roll off his man to intercept. Teams are using the tactic to drag Weiters away from the key forward in almost a decoy/sacrificial role.
Who do we think will play on Brown? I’d be putting LJ on him - Brown is useless apart from marking on the lead. He shies away from contact, and has little to no follow up. Such a one-dimensional player, but up until this season has been elite at that one aspect. Surely it is down to the delivery/spacing that he is so down this year.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Just on our backs, I wonder what the mindset of our coaching panel is re the KPB matchups. A few weeks ago vs StK I’d have thought LJ was the best matchup for King. Almost identical in height, speed and leaping ability. King is not currently a 1-on-1 beast, he’ll beat you on the lead or at full stretch. I know he only kicked 2, but signs weren’t great vs JW. Weiters is surely better suited vs the bigger bodied forwards - such as Dixon. I know the idea was for JW to be 3rd man up or to roll off his man to intercept. Teams are using the tactic to drag Weiters away from the key forward in almost a decoy/sacrificial role.
Who do we think will play on Brown? I’d be putting LJ on him - Brown is useless apart from marking on the lead. He shies away from contact, and has little to no follow up. Such a one-dimensional player, but up until this season has been elite at that one aspect. Surely it is down to the delivery/spacing that he is so down this year.

Gotta look at the other matchups as well.

Against St Kilda, that was Membrey. Against Membrey, Jones' closing speed is much more beneficial than Weiters' strength/smarts.

Dixon was just a terrible match-up for us. And to be honest, that holds true for a lot of teams. The bloke is a mountain of a man, and when he's on there's very little anyone in the comp can do to stop him directly. Better to go to the source and limit his supply, and the quality of supply.

Brown is similar. Keep the ball forward of centre and he'll get moved up to the wing as an outlet. If he's marking on the wing, he's not a target for a fast break. If we're losing clearances and they're getting the ball forward quickly, he'll do some damage.

 

[new_blue]

SPS has been fantastic down back.

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I think SPS has been serviceable down back...nothing less,nothing more. He’s not a defender. He’s a midfielder filling a role and developing new skills.

Defensively, he’s ok - not super dependable and offensively he’d be more damaging if he was using the ball closer to goal.

Watch the way he delivered the ball in the last quarter on his left to Jack Martin and tell me he shouldn’t be playing further up the ground.

 

[Ald Gardiner]

Really hope Honey gets a game this season.
Not sure he is likely to be a specialist forward like Papley, but I could definitely see him as a 50/50 mid/fwd. Do we know what his defensive side is like? Like most of you I’ve loved watching his burst of speed and goal sense, but - as the match committee continually show - excelling at one part of the game is not enough to be selected in the senior team.

What was Honey’s best position as a junior?

 

[new_blue]

I agree that he’s not dominating, but I think it’s important to take into account what he is being asked to do. That is difficult because the coach’s instructions are not public knowledge, but our gameplan may not involve him being a high-disposal player. He may be asked to perform a more close checking role, and not run free and kick-chase as many HBFs do.
I’ve said before on here that he seems to be playing a bit of a Caleb Daniel role, starting the forward chain with a 20-30m kick to calm things down. His kick to Gibbons at the 1min to go mark last week is a prime example of that. I was questioned about this in saying that a 6th pick in the draft shouldn’t be wasted on a HBF, but I’ll state again that if a player is performing their role for the team I really don’t care where they were drafted.
I’d love him to utilise his skill set a little more and maybe provide some more run, but again it’s hard to assess how well he’s performing without knowing his instructions.

I can see the comparison to Caleb Daniel, however if this is the case then there are a few a key differences around game plan and coaching.

1. The dogs game plan involves using Daniel as their key offensive weapon (with Johannsen).
2. They look to get the ball to Daniel at every opportunity. He gets involved in most plays out of the backline.
3. Daniel really takes the game on trying to maximise the damage he can do with each position.
4. Daniel will go short or long, depending on the best opportunity.

Edit: either the game plan/structure is not as effective as it could be or he’s simply not working hard enough to be involved more. He’s been valuable but feel he could be adding a lot more. I really rate him.

 

[gbatman]

SPS won't play midfield until his attack on the contest improves. Same reason why you will see Newnes playing ahead of guys like Fisher, O'Brien etc. Half back is a good outside running role where he can get away with that and get on the outside at times. He's getting better with his physicality but his straigh line running at the footy and speed he hits the contest has been nowhere near good enough for the midfield. It's what a lot of our young players lack and you just have to hope they mature and it clicks for them and this all comes together. SPS isn't going to shift Newnes or Walsh off the wing until his game goes up a notch and if Murphy isn't good enough physically to get a game in the center then he's why would SPS?

AFL, you can't get away with being too outside and certainly in the midfield. Teague is clearly looking for midfielders who are going to attack the footy with impact and be willing to put their bodies on the line everytime and to do it well. I think he's doing a great job at pushing the physical side of the game which has been our weakest point for a long time and giving players time to grow and then earn it with what they demonstrate is good.

I hope SPS breaks into the midfield but he has to show a few things first and earn it. No doubt he has the skill and the nouse, just needs to get a bit stronger at the contests and prove he is up to that.

 

[FairKouta]

Interestingly, Nick Riewoldt mentioned last night on 'On the Couch' that he thinks Marchbank is our best defender.

I really like H Mac as well, just not sure where he slots into our team.

Ya i heard that i was like no Weits is by far like far. Marchy will be a valuable interceptor like lever but he is no weitering. Hmac will be our vlaustin type defender if he develops has good kicking on him and can play small.

 

[agro]

Really hope Honey gets a game this season.
Not sure he is likely to be a specialist forward like Papley, but I could definitely see him as a 50/50 mid/fwd. Do we know what his defensive side is like? Like most of you I’ve loved watching his burst of speed and goal sense, but - as the match committee continually show - excelling at one part of the game is not enough to be selected in the senior team.

Potential is a very dirty word - but I see a lot of upside in Honey, I see him as potentially very much like a De Goey type.

 

[FairKouta]

Macreadie a player that showed some promising signs in his first year, 197cm quick agile with a very good offensive game for his size...
Unfortunately he’s development has been crippled by injury since, he can’t afford anymore setbacks and needs to produce strong enough form if he’s any chance of being kept on the list...

I think they keep him on has way too much talent not too

 

[Own The Future]

Potential is a very dirty word - but I see a lot of upside in Honey, I see him as potentially very much like a De Goey type.

Hopefully on field only...

 

[agro]

Hopefully on field only...

I was going to add that but thought that might be construed as a hiccup.

 

[Own The Future]

I was going to add that but thought that might be construed as a hiccup.

I don’t think it’s inappropriate to say that we hope for a promising young player doesn’t mimic the indiscretions of an opposition player.
If we can’t even say that then political correctness truly has gone mad.

 

[Blue__Balls]

What was Honey’s best position as a junior?

Think it was pretty evenly divided between midfield and high forward.

Clean hands, explosive pace, inconsistent disposal but when it was good it was game-breaking.

I think he's one that struggles if we're struggling (ie. won't carry the team on his back), but if the rest of the team is up and about his impact goes through the roof. Good player t have in our back pocket at the moment, because we're showing we can dominate long stretches within games which is where Honey will shine.

 

[F_therest]

Think it was pretty evenly divided between midfield and high forward.

Clean hands, explosive pace, inconsistent disposal but when it was good it was game-breaking.

I think he's one that struggles if we're struggling (ie. won't carry the team on his back), but if the rest of the team is up and about his impact goes through the roof. Good player t have in our back pocket at the moment, because we're showing we can dominate long stretches within games which is where Honey will shine.

And with the fixture cram, 33 yr old Eddie will certainly be managed through some games. An opportunity could arise for him.

 

[Blue__Balls]

And with the fixture cram, 33 yr old Eddie will certainly be managed through some games. An opportunity could arise for him.

Reckon Owies might be the one to come in for Eddie if it gets to that point - he's playing as a true small forward, where Honey is probably eyeing off Cunners or Gibbons spot as a part time forward/mid.

The fixture is actually really kind to us. The only short break we've got is between North and Hawthorn. Then we get the bye. Then we're into a pretty normal Sunday followed by Saturday situation.

One short break, followed by a bye, then back to normal.

 

[FairKouta]

Potential is a very dirty word - but I see a lot of upside in Honey, I see him as potentially very much like a De Goey type.

Wow yes please

 

[Lace_Out]

People seem to think SPS has been good rather than great down back, which is fair.

The question needs to be asked, does he regularly beat his man?

I can't think any games where his man has had a day out etc

I love the ball in his hands and think a move into the midfield once his apprenticeship down back is done, ala Ratten.

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[agro]

People seem to think SPS has been good rather than great down back, which is fair.

The question needs to be asked, does he regularly beat his man?

I can't think any games where his man has had a day out etc

I love the ball in his hands and think a move into the midfield once his apprenticeship down back is done, ala Ratten.

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probably would have been simpler to just like your post.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

I think they keep him on has way too much talent not too

From what he produced in his first year absolutely, but it’s all up to him whether he can stand up injury wise if he’s actually any kind of chance seasons end...
I think he’s got a fair bit of talent if he can get through the rest of the year without any major injuries he should get another chance...

 

[katmanblue]

I agree that he’s not dominating, but I think it’s important to take into account what he is being asked to do. That is difficult because the coach’s instructions are not public knowledge, but our gameplan may not involve him being a high-disposal player. He may be asked to perform a more close checking role, and not run free and kick-chase as many HBFs do.
I’ve said before on here that he seems to be playing a bit of a Caleb Daniel role, starting the forward chain with a 20-30m kick to calm things down. His kick to Gibbons at the 1min to go mark last week is a prime example of that. I was questioned about this in saying that a 6th pick in the draft shouldn’t be wasted on a HBF, but I’ll state again that if a player is performing their role for the team I really don’t care where they were drafted.
I’d love him to utilise his skill set a little more and maybe provide some more run, but again it’s hard to assess how well he’s performing without knowing his instructions.

He has had plenty of poor defensive efforts too. This is the issue as I see it.

It's like he is stuck in second gear.

Some bad defensive decision making as well, but that will come with experience.

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[bigm386]

SPS has been fantastic down back.

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I think fantastic is a bit of a stretch.