List Mgmt. 2020 Young Talent time

[CapitalA]

Agree on McDonald.

We have the 2nd best defense in the comp this year with a new coach, minimal training and only Cox who remotely qualifies as a KPD. Explain what DGB adds to that is worth pick 6-8?

Matter of taking best available and it looks like DGB will be the best available at our pick i suppose

 

[LordLucifer]

Who do you go for then? A Vic Metro boy or reach for Carroll or O'Driscoll? Or take a Ruck/forward?

Always take the best available at your pick based on your recruiters combined opinions, that way you can't go too far wrong.

 

[WAnchor]

Ok. So I understand the following about the rising star:
- a player must be aged 20 or under on Jan 1 of the year in question.
- a player must have played 10 or fewer games at the start of the season
- that a player may be nominated over more than one season, as long as the above criteria is met.

So Sam Sturt turns 21 on May 12. He has played three games, earning a 2020 nomination in one of them.

It will be interesting to see what his odds are as the 2021 season approaches.

 

[Dale147]

WAFL colts notebook: Jai Jackson, Nathan O’Driscoll, Heath Chapman, Logan Guelfi, Ty Sears, Sandon Page & more

Jordan McArdleThe West Australian
Mon, 17 August 2020 4:47PMComments
West Perth 17.10 (112) d Perth 3.4 (34)
First-round draft fancy Heath Chapman starred as West Perth made it five wins from as many starts against Perth at Mineral Resources Park on Saturday.

Captain Chapman was best-afield as the ladder-leading Falcons remained undefeated with a 78-point thrashing of the Demons, with 28 disposals at 86 per cent efficiency to go with seven marks.

The intercept-marking defender’s draft stocks are rising, with Fremantle and West Coast already showing interest along with several interstate clubs.
WATCH THE FULL MATCH REPLAY IN THE PLAYER ABOVE
He was part of a well-organised Falcons back-six with Ethan Bradfordkeeping dangerous Demons forward Harry Quartermaine goalless for the first time this season and State 16s squad member Kane Bevan and Rohan Scurria also playing their roles.
Colts leading goal-kicker Corey Rundle’s sublime set shot was on song after an early blemish running into an open goal, booting five majors in a powerful display to take his season tally to 20.
Callum Johnson was prolific through the midfield as usual with 33 touches and two goals, with silky-skilled on-baller Luke Reilly also prominent with 27 and two.
Brady Alvaro was lively on the wing and Darcy Dixon did some good things up forward with 2.3 and a few unselfish score assists.

Brady Alvaro was lively on the wing for West Perth. Credit: Justin Benson-Cooper/The Sunday Times
Tough mid Conor McPartland was the shining light for the Demons with a hard-working display, finishing with an equal game-high 33 touches to go with six clearances, six tackles and a goal.
Zak Meloncelli and Zac Sanderson also found plenty of the footy, ruckman Jaiden Hunter competed well against Michael Mallard and Deklyn Grocott kicked a couple of goals.
Perth were missing their best two players with key forward Logan McDonald dominating in the league side and midfielder Nathan O’Driscoll earning a promotion to the reserves.
McDonald could soon be joined by O’Driscoll is closing in on a senior berth after earning the players’ player award, impressing in his inside and outside midfield roles in a winning side.

Zak Meloncelli continued his good form for Perth. Credit: Justin Benson-Cooper/The Sunday TimesClaremont 12.6 (78) d East Perth 5.8 (38)
Like ladder leaders West Perth, reigning premiers Claremont remained undefeated for season 2020 with a comfortable 40-point win over East Perth at Leederville Oval.
Sam Alvarez was best-afield with a game-high 25 possessions to go with four tackles and three inside 50s, with Logan Young (22 disposals and a goal) and Jake Willson (21 and five inside 50s) also working hard through the middle.
Dylan Mulligan made the most of his opportunities up forward, booting 5.0 from 11 touches, while Jack Avery and Jacob Blight were reliable as ever down back.
Logan Guelfi, the younger brother of Essendon’s Matt, was his lively self across half-forward with 22 touches, six inside 50s, five tackles and two goals.

Claremont's Jake Willson was impressive against East Perth. Credit: Daniel Wilkins/The Sunday Times
In-form speedster Cameron Anderson earned a promotion to the reserves and found a bit of it, while draft fancy Joel Western is a good chance to return from hamstring injury this week.
Josh Hubbard, Riley May, Jake Littleton, Jayden Peak, Luke Lombardi and Zac Dronow battled hard in a losing cause for the Royals, while Jye Amiss (3.3) was in everything up forward.
Subiaco 22.8 (140) d Peel Thunder 7.7 (49)
Subiaco were the biggest winners of the weekend, thrashing Peel Thunder by 91 points in Mandurah.
Former East Fremantle midfielder Jai Jackson impressed in his colts debut for his new club, amassing 21 possessions and booting two goals across half-forward.
The Chapman Valley product joined the Lions this month and is likely to push for senior selection in the coming weeks.

Jai Jackson has started well at his new WAFL club. Credit: Michael Dodge/AFL Photos/via AFL Photos
Lachlan McKay was the star of the show up forward with six majors, with Sandon Page, who has 13 majors in three colts appearances after starting in the reserves, chiming in with five and silky-skilled forward Tyler Brockman three.
Jake South was the premier big man on the ground with 39 hit-outs and 17 possessions, while Lachie Vanirsen (23 disposals, six marks and a goal) tough nut Jed Kemp (21 disposals and four tackles) continued their hot form.
Isiah Winder, who made his league debut a fortnight ago, was Peel’s best with 27 possessions and eight marks, with fellow State Talent Academy squad member Luke Polson competed strongly around the ground.
Jaxon Egan and Zac Trigwell were decent up forward with two goals apiece.
South Fremantle 9.8 (62) d Swan Districts 6.16 (52)
A fast-finishing South Fremantle overcame a wayward Swan Districts by 10 points at Fremantle Community Bank Oval.
The Bulldogs took the lead at the five-minute mark of the final term and held on for a 9.8 (62) to 6.16 (52) victory.
Shannon Neale, rated alongside Claremont beanpole Kalin Lane as WA’s premier big man in this year’s draft, continued his strong season with 15 possessions and 21 hit-outs.
Jaxon Bellchambers was a really hard worker with 19 touches, 10 tackles, five marks and a goal.
Baxter Jones and Jacob Plunkett kicked two majors apiece.
For the Swans, midfielder Ayden Cartwright was prolific through the midfield with a game-high 29 disposals and four tackles.
Cartwright has been a shining light in the absence of big-bodied mid Zane Trew, who missed his second consecutive game with concussion.
Draft hopeful Ty Sears was lively with 21 touches, six inside 50s and a goal.
Luke Taylor, the younger brother of GWS Giant Sam, was decent up forward with two goals.
Hale School captain and West Coast Next Generation Academy talent Lawson Humphries did some good things on debut.

 

[Ysaye]

O'Driscoll just has "the vibe" whereas Trew doesn't

O'Driscoll is a bigger body (with the capacity to get stronger), seems more powerful and "explosive" speed-wise and has more runs on the board. Rumors are that he is also now around 190cm tall, so you are talking a really annoying player package to match up on if you are the opposition; I can deal with 190cm and slow but 190cm and fast and powerful is just a problem. Will play WAFL seniors most likely in the next few weeks.

Trew reminds me (very vaguely) of Kane Lucas at junior level; at junior level looks good, good kick, got good pace and has got good numbers this year before getting injured and all but....just a bit vanilla. Also I think he will always be a kind of wiry midfielder and not sure if he will get a go in the WAFL seniors. Hopefully / probably will be a lot better than Lucas...

 

[Purple Jesus]

Those damn O'Driscolls!

 

[eDPS]

O'Driscoll just has "the vibe" whereas Trew doesn't

O'Driscoll is a bigger body (with the capacity to get stronger), seems more powerful and "explosive" speed-wise and has more runs on the board. Rumors are that he is also now around 190cm tall, so you are talking a really annoying player package to match up on if you are the opposition; I can deal with 190cm and slow but 190cm and fast and powerful is just a problem. Will play WAFL seniors most likely in the next few weeks.

Trew reminds me (very vaguely) of Kane Lucas at junior level; at junior level looks good, good kick, got good pace and has got good numbers this year before getting injured and all but....just a bit vanilla. Also I think he will always be a kind of wiry midfielder and not sure if he will get a go in the WAFL seniors. Hopefully / probably will be a lot better than Lucas...

What I noticed in the game I saw streamed with Trew is that his handballing is very elite and his hands at clearances are also brilliant. But what I found was he was bumped around pretty easily, he won’t be able to really excel in that extractor role until he has that mature body ala Cunnington. His vision by hand is just sublime and a joy to watch.

 

[yakamoto]

Brandon Walker is a beautiful mover. Reminds me of Garry Dhurrkay.

 

[more_of_bito]

I’m getting the Vibe we are looking to trade down our first round pick.

No source but too many rumours of players returning or had discussions and we don’t have the currency.

 

[eastfreo75]

I’m getting the Vibe we are looking to trade down our first round pick.

No source but too many rumours of players returning or had discussions and we don’t have the currency.

If Sharp or *Fisher or anybody else rumours are true, we will be to either trade out players, down grade our picks, or trade future picks.

* In two minds about Fisher. As the older guys and Cripps beat us in the middle and not their young players.

Suns gave up pick 11 for Sharp. Plus with the Weller drama they might be very difficult to deal with.

 

[Joao]

Don't want Fisher. If he is not a walk up start at Carlton he probably is fringe for us to.

 

[theGav56]

If Sharp or *Fisher or anybody else rumours are true, we will be to either trade out players, down grade our picks, or trade future picks.

* In two minds about Fisher. As the older guys and Cripps beat us in the middle and not their young players.

Suns gave up pick 11 for Sharp. Plus with the Weller drama they might be very difficult to deal with.

Draft picks have a different value for them. I doubt anyone else would have used that pick on Sharp : was it really pick 11? Yikes.

 

[eastfreo75]

Don't want Fisher. If he is not a walk up start at Carlton he probably is fringe for us to.

Adds depth but wo

Draft picks have a different value for them. I doubt anyone else would have used that pick on Sharp : was it really pick 11? Yikes.

It was crazy.

They trade pick 11 to the Blues for pick 17 and 22.

Then they traded 2020 pick 11 for 2019 pick 27 (Sharp)

Like any welfare, people piss it up the wall.

Plus, they didn't get anything for Martin.

People talk about their drafting in the last two years, but seriously a blind three legged dog could have picked Rowell, Anderson, Rankine, King, and Lukosuis. All were no brainer picks.

 

[CapitalA]

Draft picks have a different value for them. I doubt anyone else would have used that pick on Sharp : was it really pick 11? Yikes.

Traded future priority pick 11 for a pick around 19-22 i forget to pick him up.

Edit: EF75 onto it.

 

[Vimal Anand]

The way we are playing the most likely we may end up pick 5,6, or 7. It may slide to 8 9,11 respectively.. do you guys think odricoll will be available at that picks? What about archie perkins or Nik cox if it is 9 or 11? Would be a reach?

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[Bender571]

Adds depth but wo

It was crazy.

They trade pick 11 to the Blues for pick 17 and 22.

Then they traded 2020 pick 11 for 2019 pick 27 (Sharp)

Like any welfare, people piss it up the wall.

Plus, they didn't get anything for Martin.

People talk about their drafting in the last two years, but seriously a blind three legged dog could have picked Rowell, Anderson, Rankine, King, and Lukosuis. All were no brainer picks.

That was actually the other way around. They traded 17&22 so they could draft Flanders at pick 11. Probably not a bad trade considering he was seen as part of the top tier of draftees with a few here wanting us to take him over Serong.

Trading pick 11 this year also doesn't look so bad when you consider that there are lots of first round F/S and academy prospects.
There is also the fine print.
"While the package is set for three years to provide certainty to players, staff and the entire industry, the AFL Commission retains the right to remove future picks and / or academy access based on the club’s performance."
There's a good chance this years performance was good enough that the AFL would take away pick 11, and it would've been almost certain if Rowell didn't get injured.

Most reports suggested that Carlton offered a future 2nd and 3rd round pick for Jack Martin, and turned down GC's request of pick 11 for Jack Martin and pick 17. That's well undervalue for a player you've offered a $3 million, 5 year contract to.

 

[eastfreo75]

That was actually the other way around. They traded 17&22 so they could draft Flanders at pick 11. Probably not a bad trade considering he was seen as part of the top tier of draftees with a few here wanting us to take him over Serong.

Trading pick 11 this year also doesn't look so bad when you consider that there are lots of first round F/S and academy prospects.
There is also the fine print.
"While the package is set for three years to provide certainty to players, staff and the entire industry, the AFL Commission retains the right to remove future picks and / or academy access based on the club’s performance."
There's a good chance this years performance was good enough that the AFL would take away pick 11, and it would've been almost certain if Rowell didn't get injured.

Most reports suggested that Carlton offered a future 2nd and 3rd round pick for Jack Martin, and turned down GC's request of pick 11 for Jack Martin and pick 17. That's well undervalue for a player you've offered a $3 million, 5 year contract to.

Blues were extremely lucky that the Demons didn’t select Martin.

Anyway, I think the Suns could have used future two and third and traded with a team that needs points. Basically upgrading their picks.

 

[Chris25]

Since there was talk of possibly trading down, here's a top 30 mock I put together...

1. Adelaide - Elijah Hollands
2. Western Bulldogs (bid) - Jamarra Ugle-Hagan
3. North Melbourne - Will Phillips
4. Hawthorn - Logan McDonald
5. Sydney - Riley Thilthorpe
6. Gold Coast - Zac Reid
7. Fremantle - Denver Grainger-Barras
8. Sydney (bid) - Braeden Campbell
9. Carlton - Nathan O'Driscoll
10. Essendon - Archie Perkins
11. Adelaide - Tanner Bruhn
12. Geelong - Oliver Henry
13. Port Adelaide (bid) - Lachlan Jones
14. North Melbourne - Nikolas Cox
15. Collingwood - Heath Chapman
16. Collingwood (bid) - Reef McInness
17. Richmond - Zavier Maher
18. St Kilda - Zane Trew
19. Geelong - Jack Carroll
20. Geelong - Tom Powell
21. Brisbane - Finlay Macrae
22. Brisbane - Eddie Ford
23. Adelaide - Zac Dumesny
24. Hawthorn - Sam Berry
25. Melbourne - Conor Stone
26. Gold Coast - Brayden Cook
27. Fremantle (bid) - Brandon Walker
28. Carlton - Seamus Mitchell
29. North Melbourne - Caleb Poulter
30. Adelaide - Kaine Baldwin

 

[eDPS]

Since there was talk of possibly trading down, here's a top 30 mock I put together...

Seamus Mitchell isn’t a bad shout for blues later pick there, they could use some more speedy small forwards to take over from Betts in the coming years.

 

[GrommoT]

Logan McDonald played his best game so far this season imo, kicked 3.2 and set up a few just his smarts and poise, do something Freo seriously though going to the Crows by the looks of it as pick one.

Any rumours of Freo trading their 2020 & 2021 r1 picks for Crows' pick one to get McDonald?

The OP of our 2020 draft thread has stuck a "-5-" on the title suggesting we will have your r1 pick (no other info posted) ... or maybe trade for a player like Brad Crouch.

 

[Joao]

Any rumours of Freo trading their 2020 & 2021 r1 picks for Crows' pick one to get McDonald?

The OP of our 2020 draft thread has stuck a "-5-" on the title suggesting we will have your r1 pick (no other info posted) ... or maybe trade for a player like Brad Crouch.

No. And I don't reckon he is that good. I'd do that trade to secure M.King pre ACL and I don't think Logan is at that level.

Buckely's chance we trade for Crouch. I'd be staggered if we took him for free.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Any rumours of Freo trading their 2020 & 2021 r1 picks for Crows' pick one to get McDonald?

The OP of our 2020 draft thread has stuck a "-5-" on the title suggesting we will have your r1 pick (no other info posted) ... or maybe trade for a player like Brad Crouch.

I'm one who has actually proposed trading for North's pick 2 to get McDonald using our future 1st, provided we get some change to pay for our NGAs this year.

Pick 1 seems to have a stupid price attached to it for no valid reason and no one ever trades it so I'd be surprised if that happens.

If our first is used to bring in either Crouch in any way, I will burn Cockburn to the ground

 

[Chris25]

Seamus Mitchell isn’t a bad shout for blues later pick there, they could use some more speedy small forwards to take over from Betts in the coming years.

He seems the type who could go earlier in a compromised year like this one. When you haven't seen them play, at least you know speed is speed.

 

[eDPS]

He seems the type who could go earlier in a compromised year like this one. When you haven't seen them play, at least you know speed is speed.

Yeah I can see this draft being a phantoms nightmare, plenty of players coming from the clouds or even previously highly rated players going undrafted.

 

[fnerd]

Since there was talk of possibly trading down, here's a top 30 mock I put together...

4. Hawthorn - Logan McDonald

Now this would make me