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The list management team rate the young mids coming up.

Ross, RCD, Dow, Martyn are the four that should be consolidating a spot next yearZ

RCD takes Cotchins role as he eases into retirement. Dow plays the Prestia transition role and there is enough for Prestia and him in the side. Both need to improve but I believe they have talent and will be given opportunity.

Ross and Martyn are the two that may be challenged to move forward longer term.

Hopefully they develop further and are mainstays in our successful team long term.
I think Ross is a very good player. Has had a very disjointed time in the last two seasons, half back, wing etc. Ball winner and very good distributer by hand and probably our best tackler in the middle. (Cotchin aside). And he has a point to prove. Don't underestimate Cumberland as well. He played forward after his knee but was drafted as a midfielder. Super competitive and a super athlete. Reckon he will surprise most of all this year.
 

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Marcel Proust

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Guy clearly has a bone to pick. I posted this in his thread.

In his last phantom draft Knightmare had:

Gibcus at 11th, drafted 9th
Brown at 18th, drafted 17th
Sonsie at 23rd, drafted 28th
Banks at 43rd, drafted 29th
Clarke at 31st, drafted 30th

How does that equal a D+? I've been critical of the draft but worst I'd give it is a C+ or a B lol
Cause he had none in his top 'power rankings'
 

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The GOAT is getting older, his dont argues are less effective and is being played forward. Who is going to be is support in the midfield or fill in we he is up forward?
We also have no idea how his kidney injury will affect him moving forward, im gonna be nervous every time he gets bumped now.
He is 30, not a decrepit old man. Plus athletes around the world are proving if you look after your body you can still be elite at the highest level.

Steph Curry
KD
Lebron
Ronaldo
Messi
Djockovic
Federer
Serena
Tom Brad
Etc…

And Dusty looks after his body.

Also, he just got the longest break of his career and the football world has provided plenty of motivation for himself and the club next year.

Add in all the noise from the club is that he will play more midfield this year because they realised we struggled in there (doesn’t help when everyone including our rucks we’re injured).
 

juss

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My point is that drafting a KPF in the top-30 just because we β€˜need one’ would be a mistake. History shows KPF are very hard to get right even in the top-10, so unless we were very confident we were getting a good one we should not select someone just because they are β€˜big’ and cross our fingers. We should trade for one, try and get one as a free agent, re-deploy someone on our list already or wait until next years draft when the big man stocks are more plentiful.


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I think we are going to be absolutely desperate at the end of 2022 for a KPF with Riewoldt retiring.

I think taking the ones that were available would have been better moves.

I'd be a lot more comfortable if our first picks were Gibcus and Van Rooyen rather than Brown. Williams could have been an option in the 30s too.
The call we made was strategic, not talent based. The list managers basically started we wanted rebounding, good kicks. That's a strategic not best available call.

That's not a knock on Brown or Banks as an individual, just the type of player is not who I think we needed ahead of a versatile and well rated tall.
 

Marcel Proust

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I think we are going to be absolutely desperate at the end of 2022 for a KPF with Riewoldt retiring.

I think taking the ones that were available would have been better moves.

I'd be a lot more comfortable if our first picks were Gibcus and Van Rooyen rather than Brown. Williams could have been an option in the 30s too.
The call we made was strategic, not talent based. The list managers basically started we wanted rebounding, good kicks. That's a strategic not best available call.

That's not a knock on Brown or Banks as an individual, just the type of player is not who I think we needed ahead of a versatile and well rated tall.

Nyuon @ 20 and 195
Miller 22, 196

Might be able to fill the hole? Next draft seems to have some decent tall prospects

It'd be nice to have a 18 year old lynch / riewoldt
 

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How are we meant to know who to draft when Hocking and Brad Scott keep changing the rules year by year.
Geelong would have inside knowledge, twins tell each other everything.
This stand the mark rule will be axed next year probably ,but only Geelong fc knows for sure.
The stand rule was not brought in to increase scoring, if it was, they would have removed it already because it simply didn't do that. Ergo, it was brought in for another reason. And that reason is Richmond, or rather what we were doing that was undermining the AFL's socialist equalisation agenda by developing a gameplan that relied less on top end talent through the draft.

The stand rule will only be axed if Richmond don't make finals and we are not decimated by injuries. AFL couldn't tell whether it curtailed us sufficiently in 2021 because injuries were a big factor for us.

There is no question we need to adapt to the rules but the rules may change again so drafting players with role flexibility makes sense.
 

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He is 30, not a decrepit old man. Plus athletes around the world are proving if you look after your body you can still be elite at the highest level.

Steph Curry
KD
Lebron
Ronaldo
Messi
Djockovic
Federer
Serena
Tom Brad
Etc…

And Dusty looks after his body.

Also, he just got the longest break of his career and the football world has provided plenty of motivation for himself and the club next year.

Add in all the noise from the club is that he will play more midfield this year because they realised we struggled in there (doesn’t help when everyone including our rucks we’re injured).
Zackly...look at our Tarrant...physical specimen in his 30's
 

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The stand rule was not brought in to increase scoring, if it was, they would have removed it already because it simply didn't do that. Ergo, it was brought in for another reason. And that reason is Richmond, or rather what we were doing that was undermining the AFL's socialist equalisation agenda by developing a gameplan that relied less on top end talent through the draft.

The stand rule will only be axed if Richmond don't make finals and we are not decimated by injuries. AFL couldn't tell whether it curtailed us sufficiently in 2021 because injuries were a big factor for us.

There is no question we need to adapt to the rules but the rules may change again so drafting players with role flexibility makes sense.
I totally agree.
Also Hocking should not have been allowed to go to Geelong for at least two years.
It shows he was potentially biased and also he has inside information that could assist Geelong.
 

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i disagree on one aspect,think all 5 are capable of kicking off in rd 1
brown & gibcus off HB...sonsie on the ball,banks on a wing & clarke in place of aarts...its a relief for a change to have elite talent available and not just rookie
listed role players,3rd rounders & MSD filling 4-6 positions across the park,no disrespect intended as i know we've been lucky in picking up discarded
or forgotten talent thru the rookie system in the past and turning them into premiership stars and terrific ppl but that kinda luck can only last so long i feel
you only have too look at aarts
I was more referring to our unproven mids. ROUND 1 our midfield will be : Cotch, Dusty, Edwards, Lambert, Prestia, Bolton, Graham…. so none of RCD, Dow, Ross, Martyn or Sonsie will play. (one β€˜might’ play…)

I do expect 1-2 of Gibcus, Banks, Clarke or Brown to play Round 1.


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Nyuon @ 20 and 195
Miller 22, 196

Might be able to fill the hole? Next draft seems to have some decent tall prospects

It'd be nice to have a 18 year old lynch / riewoldt
Neither of those have shown any real signs of being a consistent regular AFL player let alone answering our KPF prayers.

Miller had a solid debut as a defender, but that's not a great sample size.

I am not convinced of the Balta-forward idea and don't think it's in the clubs plans, but we might be forced to give it a go, and play Miller back if he is ready.
 

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Dumbest article.
Lowest rating they gave a club was C+, many got A+. Bit like auskick where everyone is a winner. I’d like to see a bell curve and some detailed evaluation criteria spelled out, including criteria weighting and a regression analysis with previous draft performance based on player profiles
I don’t understand. We are an A+ or a D+. Dafuq
 

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NORTH Melbourne is expected to take Jared Polec with the first pick in Friday's NAB AFL Rookie Draft.

The classy midfielder will be one of at least 14 players returning to their former club as a rookie after being delisted.

Cam Ellis-Yolmen (Brisbane), Matthew Cottrell (Carlton), Lochie O'Brien (Carlton), Isaac Chugg (Collingwood), Connor Blakely (Fremantle), Mitch Crowden (Fremantle), Jez McLennan (Gold Coast), Rory Thompson (Gold Coast), Jacob Wehr (GWS Giants), Sam Mayes (Port Adelaide), Noah Cumberland (Richmond), Bigoa Byuon (Richmond) and Lewis Taylor (Sydney) were all delisted with the promise of returning to their clubs as rookies.

THE VERDICT Our say on your club's 2021 draft haul

Former Carlton big man Levi Casboult is expected to receive a lifeline by Gold Coast, but former Crow Tom Lynch hasn't nominated with the veteran likely to join North Melbourne during the pre-season supplemental period.

 

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