Prediction 2021 best 22

[PMBangers]

Cumming is more of speed/power athlete... not the tank of a wingman.

Yes we've had this conversation, I don't think he's good enough defensively to play there full time, so either he plays as a winger or forward for mine. If he's not fit after this long in the AFL system I worry

 

[Giant Pete]

Yes we've had this conversation, I don't think he's good enough defensively to play there full time, so either he plays as a winger or forward for mine. If he's not fit after this long in the AFL system I worry

I’m not saying he’s not fit... that’s an entirely different conversation to having the running capacity of a wingman.

 

[PMBangers]

I’m not saying he’s not fit... that’s an entirely different conversation to having the running capacity of a wingman.

we rotate our wings regularly enough that a basic level of AFL fitness will get him through, and a full pre season of specialised running would do wonders to get him to that level. His marking, speed and kick would be a real asset as a link up type player, especially with our defensive transition and rebound being an issue

 

[Spuddd]

Absolutely. The only true wingman is Whitfield and we are paying to much to sit on a wing...

Polec, Smith or Phillips should be on our radar

Philips would be really gettable from a Collingwood perspective I would have thought. A second rounder would be more than enough to encourage Collingwood to clear his salary.

From a personal perspective I'd love if Shaw was thrown in as well, at least give him one more year and an opportunity to retire rather than be delisted.

 

[Pres]

Polec, Smith or Phillips should be on our radar

Always good policy to steer well clear of players other clubs are trying to offload.

Leon is on the record as saying Perryman is a "natural winger". Not sure I 100% agree given his lack of speed but maybe he'll do better if we revert back to longer quarters.

 

[Yojimbo]

Braydon Preuss or Darcy Fort or is it Braydon Preuss and Darcy Fort ?

 

[Giant Pete]

Always good policy to steer well clear of players other clubs are trying to offload.

Leon is on the record as saying Perryman is a "natural winger". Not sure I 100% agree given his lack of speed but maybe he'll do better if we revert back to longer quarters.

Perryman has gotten better as he has more preseasons under his belt. He’ll come out next season even more developed.

 

[SouthernGiant]

Leon is on the record as saying Perryman is a "natural winger". Not sure I 100% agree given his lack of speed but maybe he'll do better if we revert back to longer quarters.
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Perryman is too slow and lacks endurance for the wing. If Leon really thinks Perryman is a winger then its no wonder we have transitions issues...

 

[Giant Pete]

I feel like we need more quick outside types in general. Tigers have about 4 small forwards who are quick.
Langdon was really disappointing this season. Is he out of contract?

 

[Giant Gutsache]

I feel like we need more quick outside types in general. Tigers have about 4 small forwards who are quick.
Langdon was really disappointing this season. Is he out of contract?

Agree. For me one of the disappointments of 2020 is that Bobby Hill played only 5 of 17 games. The forward line looks so much more dangerous with both Hill and Daniels working together. Cameron has elite speed for his size, but the setup didn’t allow him enough space to burn his opponents this year.

 

[Giant Strides]

I agree that Zac Landon was disappointing this year. He is out of contract - the question would be whether the club thinks he can recapture his 2018 form when he was really good, both defensively in the forward 50 plus kicking goals, or not. He'd be an inexpensive retention to the roster, and an excellent backup providing he can recapture that 2018 form.

 

[Giant Strides]

Retaining Isaac Cumming and the positive tone (I know all signing announcements are positive and fluffy!) indicates that he is part of the defensive set-up plan going forward.

In terms of that defensive set-up as someone posted earlier:

Ash Taylor ____
Haynes Davis ____
(___ 7th defender)

Then I'd suggest it could be:

Ash Taylor Perryman
Haynes Davis Cumming
(___ 7th defender)

with Perryman taking over some of Heater's defensive role, and Ash & Cumming the speedsters waiting to attack forward. That keeps Whitfield on the wing, and hopefully enables a better transition set-up. Pez might have to work on his disposal efficiency a touch though.

If so, the subsequent question is who is that 7th player? I see the possibilities as:

• Lachie Keeffe - if Leon wants to continue the 4 tall defenders approach (including Haynes), and has Keeffe as the lockdown defender
• Jake Stein - again if Leon wants to continue the 4 tall defenders, but Jake is closer in style and athleticism to Corr
• Connor Idun - more of a talls & smalls player, hard to tell from his exposed form how he's going to end up
• Matt Buntine - more of a lockdown defender at this time, but probably lost a bit of speed: perhaps a bit of 'no-man's land' with Bunts
• Adam Kennedy - can play a bit closer defensively but also rebound
• Callum Brown - for another speed option
• Sam Reid - I hope not! but often figures in Leon's plans
• Callan Ward - I'm not a fan of dropping Cal back into the defensive line; if he did, then he'd probably actually take the Heater role, with Perryman reverting to a utility or wing role
• one of the mids such as O'Halloran (if we keep him), de Boer dropping back
• we could try Nick Shipley in that role.

I guess we'll see what comes out of the summer training sessions.

 

[Giant Strides]

If we're looking for a winger - and I do agree that we need to look at selecting some players with speed - then we should give O'Halloran a run in that position. He showed both speed and endurance in his draft year. He needs a clear role, though. I feel in the two games he payed he was more of a utility, thrown where required rather than a defined role. That's if we can hold on to him over the trade period!

 

[Giant Pete]

If we're looking for a winger - and I do agree that we need to look at selecting some players with speed - then we should give O'Halloran a run in that position. He showed both speed and endurance in his draft year. He needs a clear role, though. I feel in the two games he payed he was more of a utility, thrown where required rather than a defined role. That's if we can hold on to him over the trade period!

Only problem is he’s not a good kick so it would expose the biggest flaw in his game at this stage.
He’s probably a bit like a young Toby Greene in he has a bit of speed and pretty good tank, and he’s competitive. But also like Toby he can turn it over.
So I don’t see him becoming a winger at this stage.

 

[Giant Strides]

Only problem is he’s not a good kick so it would expose the biggest flaw in his game at this stage.
He’s probably a bit like a young Toby Greene in he has a bit of speed and pretty good tank, and he’s competitive. But also like Toby he can turn it over.
So I don’t see him becoming a winger at this stage.

Which pretty much pigeon-holes him as an inside mid - cause the same problem stops him from being a defender, and I don't see that he can play forward at this point.

 

[Giant Pete]

If we lose all of Cameron, Williams, Corr, Hately, Caldwell:

Haynes Davis Ash
Whitfield Taylor Cumming
Perryman Cogs Kelly
Greene HH Taranto
Daniels Riccardi Hill
Preuss Hopper Green
Finlayson Ward OHalloran Buckley

Still a very good team on paper. Can’t wait to see Hill and Binga consistently play in the same team.

Would net us possibly 3 first round picks and two second rounds, and we’d have plenty of cap space to trade for needs.

 

[Colonial]

If we lose all of Cameron, Williams, Corr, Hately, Caldwell:

Haynes Davis Ash
Whitfield Taylor Cumming
Perryman Cogs Kelly
Greene HH Taranto
Daniels Riccardi Hill
Preuss Hopper Green
Finlayson Ward OHalloran Buckley

Still a very good team on paper. Can’t wait to see Hill and Binga consistently play in the same team.

Would net us possibly 3 first round picks and two second rounds, and we’d have plenty of cap space to trade for needs.

Have no issues with that team though want Flynn or Briggs to get a go.
Preuss may cost too much.

 

[gee whiz giant]

Still a very good team on paper. Can’t wait to see Hill and Binga consistently play in the same team.

I'd have to disagree.
Williams out is a massive hole for us. Really disappointed. 'To move closer to his sister in Albury". Guess I'm buying it.....

As for Jezza, he's irreplaceable. Last season poor, but it's the first one in 7.
He's been the face of the club, marketing wise etc.
I do not want him gone, nor do I expect Riccardi to be good enough for 3 years to fill Jezza's shoes.

 

[GWS Goose]

Leon is on the record as saying Perryman is a "natural winger". Not sure I 100% agree given his lack of speed but maybe he'll do better if we revert back to longer quarters.

Perryman is too slow and lacks endurance for the wing. If Leon really thinks Perryman is a winger then its no wonder we have transitions issues...
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He was comfortably our best player whilst on the wing in the early part of the season, his performance dropped off at exactly the time we moved him back (out of necessity)

 

[Colonial]

I'd have to disagree.
Williams out is a massive hole for us. Really disappointed. 'To move closer to his sister in Albury". Guess I'm buying it.....

As for Jezza, he's irreplaceable. Last season poor, but it's the first one in 7.
He's been the face of the club, marketing wise etc.
I do not want him gone, nor do I expect Riccardi to be good enough for 3 years to fill Jezza's shoes.

Whitfield was AA playing Williams position when out of the season injured.

Jezza I would love to stay but it’s not the end of the world. We have been beaten plenty of times by clubs without superstar fwds.

 

[gee whiz giant]

Jezza I would love to stay but it’s not the end of the world.

To quote Ross Lyon, there's mechanics and dynamics.
The mechanic is we can possibly work up a game style without Jezza.
The dynamic is he tears a hole through the club culture if he goes. We desperately need to keep all our marquee players as one-club players.
For the club's well being, and for the general standing in the league.
He goes, and it only reinforces the general opinion that GWS runs a lovely little farm for growing players that are available for poaching when ever needed.
That mind-set doubles back on the club; chasing draft picks is the drug that keeps us going.
That's not what the Giants are here for.

Obviously this theme has been discussed at depth here often, but will keep recurring whenever we lose 'heart & soul' players.

 

[Colonial]

To quote Ross Lyon, there's mechanics and dynamics.
The mechanic is we can possibly work up a game style without Jezza.
The dynamic is he tears a hole through the club culture if he goes. We desperately need to keep all our marquee players as one-club players.
For the club's well being, and for the general standing in the league.
He goes, and it only reinforces the general opinion that GWS runs a lovely little farm for growing players that are available for poaching when ever needed.
That mind-set doubles back on the club; chasing draft picks is the drug that keeps us going.
That's not what the Giants are here for.

Obviously this theme has been discussed at depth here often, but will keep recurring whenever we lose 'heart & soul' players.

We have at least 4 1 club players in that first group of a couple of years in Haynes, Greene, Cogs and Whitfield. Jezza yet to extend and Kelly in long term.
Not bad really. How many do other clubs get?

He is 1 player and no player should be more important than the club, I say this even though I would love for him to stay and want him to.

 

[SouthernGiant]

Perryman is too slow and lacks endurance for the wing. If Leon really thinks Perryman is a winger then its no wonder we have transitions issues...

He was comfortably our best player whilst on the wing in the early part of the season, his performance dropped off at exactly the time we moved him back (out of necessity)
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Other than he was not playing as a wingman. check out the heat map for Perryman and its all red through the middle of the ground, very little footy out wide.
True wingers cut us up last season

 

[Giant Pete]

Perryman can play wing. He’s one who will just get better with more and more preseasons. Even his body shape is changing.

 

[Giant Pete]

So....
Haynes Davis Whitfield
Ash Taylor Cumming
Perryman Taranto Kelly
Greene HH Cogs
Hill Ricca Daniels
Preuss Hopper Green

Ward Finlayson Buckley Lloyd

Solid team.
Could have 4 first rounders and 2 second rounders.