2021 best 22

jackess · Oct 17, 2020

Let's go

B: Gardiner Andrews Lester
HB: Rich Payne Starcevich
C: McCluggage Lyons Bailey
HF: Rayner Hipwood McCarthy
FF: Cameron Daniher Coleman
Ruck: McInerney Zorko Neale
Bench: Berry, Robertson, Ah Chee, McStay/Martin/Fullarton

Unlucky Answerth

dlanod · Oct 17, 2020

Needs more pick 16 and 17

ZoBlitz · Oct 17, 2020

dlanod said:
Needs more pick 16 and 17

Brings back memories.

jackess · Oct 17, 2020

dlanod said:
Needs more pick 16 and 17

Does 2019 pick 22 count?

Johnny Bananas · Oct 17, 2020

jackess said:
Let's go

B: Gardiner Andrews Lester
HB: Rich Payne Starcevich
C: McCluggage Lyons Bailey
HF: Rayner Hipwood McCarthy
FF: Cameron Daniher Coleman
Ruck: McInerney Zorko Neale
Bench: Berry, Robertson, Ah Chee, McStay/Martin/Fullarton

Unlucky Answerth

Answerth in for Lester. I also think Cockatoo is a serious chance to crack the team. And if Coleman could make best 22 within a season, you'd think his even more talented brother will be a chance too.

Nunez · Oct 17, 2020

Gardiner Andrews Rich
Witherden Payne Ah Chee
Cockatoo Berry McCluggage
McInerney Neale Lyons
Zorko Hipwood Cameron
Rayner Daniher McStay

Into: McCarthy Starcevich Bailey Answerth

pulpdriver · Oct 17, 2020

Lester Andrews Ah Chee

Rich Gardiner Starcevich

Bailey Berry McCluggage

McStay Hipwood Rayner

Cameron Daniher Coleman

McInerney Neale Lyons

Zorko McCarthy Robinson Cockatoo

Jason mp · Oct 17, 2020

For me from the Prelim to round 1 2021 >

Outs- Stef Martin, Cam Ellis-Yolmen, Grant Birchall, Mitch Robinson.

Ins- Joe Daniher, Darcy Gardiner, Keidean Coleman, Deven Robertson/traded in A grade mid.

Daniel Rich, Jack Payne, Darcy Gardiner.
Brandon Starcevich, Harris Andrews, Callum Ah Chee.

Oscar McInerney, Jarrod Berry, Lachie Neale.
Jarryd Lyons, Hugh McCluggage, Zac Bailey.

Charlie Cameron, Eric Hipwood, Cam Rayner.
Linc McCarthy, Joe Daniher, Keidean Coleman.

Dayne Zorko, Ryan Lester, Daniel McStay, Deven Robertson/traded A grade mid.

CEY not up to it. Stef cooked. Move on from Birchall. Mitch has been fantastic but I think we have better options now.

Feels like we desperately need another A grade mid traded in to match it with the absolute top sides in big sudden death finals.

Rayner to play a bit more time on ball, Fullarton to put pressure on McStay, Answerth to fight for a back 6 spot, Bailey/McCluggage/Starcvich on the wings, Zorko to spend more time forward.

davemc_lions · Oct 17, 2020

jackess said:
Let's go

Bench: Berry, Robertson, Ah Chee, McStay/Martin/Fullarton

Unlucky Answerth

Close I go Bench
Berry, Cockatoo, Ah Chee, Fullarton

So Mitch, Martin, McStay,Birchall and CEY out from tonight
Danhier, Gardiner, Cockatoo, Coleman and Fullarton in

MSB ROYS · Oct 17, 2020

Never been happy with Birchall playing and to think that we may lose Witherden as a consequence.

Maroon Monsoon · Oct 17, 2020

Thank God someone put this thread up, was just thinking about which young guys come in for us next year. Based on where things stand and assuming we get daniher id be running the following in week one:

FB: darcy - Harris- Lester

HB: Richy-starc-noah

C: bailey - lyons - clugga

HF: Coleman - hippy - cam

FF: Charlie - daniher - linc

RR: oscar - zorko - neale

Int: Berry - payne - Fullerton - ah chee

Id expect to see a few other young players rotate into that in the first half of the season as there's competition for spots. Expect well be seeing T Berry, Dev, witho, and probably dan all get a run early on, and I'd be very happy if any of the first three performed well enough to lock down a spot. Its weird how loaded we are that I reckon we have maybe 27 or 28 players you could argue deserve to be in the best 22

dlanod · Oct 17, 2020

MSB ROYS said:
Never been happy with Birchall playing and to think that we may lose Witherden as a consequence.

Witherden is under contract. If we lose him it's because we aren't invested in keeping him.

It's a separate discussion whether that's the right call.

Not a Psycho · Oct 17, 2020

Any backline without Payne is no backline at all.

Tom14 · Oct 17, 2020

B: Gardiner Andrews Starcevich

HB: Rich Payne Ah Chee

C: McCluggage Berry Bailey

HF: McCarthy Hipwood Rayner

FF: Zorko Daniher Cameron

R: Big O Neale Lyons

Int: Answerth McStay ??? ???

For me the starting 18 is pretty straightforward. I'm confident McStay will be in the team Rd 1 too and I expect Noah to be the 7th defender.

Last 2 bench spots are the question mark. We really need another mid to come into the team and make an impact - I'm hoping this can be Dev Robertson. Mitch robbo probably starts the season in the team too but ideally cockatoo gets his body right (assuming we get him).

MSB ROYS · Oct 17, 2020

Not a Psycho said:
Any backline without Payne is no backline at all.

No Payne, no gain.

PattyKwasagun · Oct 18, 2020

From tonight's match, I'd go:

Out: Stef Martin, Cam Ellis-Yolmen, Grant Birchall, Jack Payne, Ryan Lester

In: Joe Daniher, Keidean Coleman, Nakia Cockatoo, Darcy Gardiner, Marcus Adams

If we're able to trade in another top line midfielder, I'd probably put them in for Mitch Robinson.

JasRulz63 · Oct 18, 2020

I think to improve as a side next year, we need players over taking Robinson, Birchall and Martin from the best 22. Making the assumption that we bring in Daniher and possibly Cockatoo, these are my thoughts (mix of what I think will happen and what I would like to see happen).

FB: Gardiner - Payne - Ah Chee
HB: Rich - Andrews - Starcevich

I think our best line-up is Payne or Adams and Andrews taking the two key forwards with Gardiner as the third defender rotating between resting ruckman/midfielders. I've gone for Payne, but realistically I think Adams will get the first shot. Rich is obviously a lock, and my hope is for Starcevich to expand his offensive game to provide another different attacking option. I've got Ah Chee as our lock down small defender, though it could easily be Answerth. The 7th position is tricky, and there's a few different type of players that could come in. I think right now that spot is Birchall or Lester's and it's on Answerth/Ah Chee/Witherden to push past him. All four are very different types of players, I think it'll come down to form and what role we've got planned for Starcevich.

C: McCluggage - Berry - Bailey
R: McInerney - Neale - Lyons

Robbo has been fantastic for us, but he's struggled this year. It's harder to forgive throwing the ball blindly on the boot when his overall impact is down. I'm not sure if Bailey has the tank for it, but if he does I can see him filling the wing opposite McCluggage, with Starcevich another option potentially. Berry needs a big off-season, but I think he'll take more of Zorko's midfield time next year. Still have question marks around whether we have the consistent ball winners that you need to continually contend.

HF: Rayner - Hipwood - Zorko
FF: Cameron - Daniher - McCarthy

I think Zorko will play less midfield time next year, and assume the HF/midield role that Berry has been playing this year. Daniher gives our forward line a different look and straightens us up considerably. Hopefully we now have Daniher under the high ball with Cameron at his feet as opposed to Cameron trying to do everything himself. It would be good to see Rayner get some more midfield time because I think we need a different look in there at times, and he has that potential.

INT: Lester - Robertson - McStay - Cockatoo

Like mentioned above, I have Lester as our 7th defender, but with Ah Chee and Witherden also competing for that spot. Playing Daniher as the second ruck gives us the flexibility of playing an extra versatile key position player, and it sounds like McStay will get first crack at it. The one I can see pushing for this spot is Fullarton at some point.

I think we need another contested ball winning midfielfer, and I might be wrong, but I don't think Berry is necessarily that player. I think Berry's best position might be as a first receiver from the players at the bottom of the pack. We evidently rate Robertson quite highly given what we gave up to get him, and I can see him being that type of contested ball player (from admittedly limited viewing) with his quick hands in the contest and ability to read the play. There's a few others like Smith and Joyce who could push hard with a good pre-season.

I think for the last spot we need someone that can play predominantly on the wing and half forward, but also be dynamic when played in the midfield. It seems like Cockatoo is a player that fits that description, and we tend to back players in that we bring in from other clubs. On paper he seems to have the potential to fill this role, but consistency and keeping fit will be the key. Other contenders for this position could be Coleman (especially if Rayner can take the next step and spend more time in the midfield), Hinge (if we're after more of a defensive option on the wing) or Berry jnr.

FB: Gardiner - Payne - Ah Chee
HB: Rich - Andrews - Starcevich
C: McCluggage - Berry - Bailey
R: McInerney - Neale - Lyons
HF: Rayner - Hipwood - Zorko
FF: Cameron - Daniher - McCarthy
INT: Lester - Robertson - McStay - Cockatoo

So from tonight's side:
IN: Gardiner, Daniher, Cockatoo
OUT: Birchall, Martin, Ellis-Yolmen

cotter101 · Oct 18, 2020

B: Gardiner Andrews Starcevich
HB: Rich Payne Ah Chee
C: McCluggage Lyons Bailey
HF: Coleman Hipwood McCarthy
FF: Cameron Daniher Zorko
Ruck: McInerney Rayner Neale
Bench: Fullarton, Berry, Answerth,Robertson

JasRulz63 · Oct 18, 2020

cotter101 said:
B: Gardiner Andrews Starcevich
HB: Rich Payne Witherden
C: McCluggage Lyons Bailey
HF: Coleman Hipwood McCarthy
FF: Cameron Daniher Fullarton
Ruck: McInerney Zorko Neale
Bench: Berry, Answerth, Ah Chee, Robertson

No Rayner?

acuguy · Oct 18, 2020

We've turned the corner, if we are going to err, we need to err on the side of youth. Witherden, Payne and Coleman.

cotter101 · Oct 18, 2020

JasRulz63 said:
No Rayner?

An oversight. I’ll put him in now.

cotter101 · Oct 18, 2020

I like McStay, always been a fan and a supporter of his. I think we roll with Hipwood, Daniher and McStay playing up forward next year and I think McStay will probably be far more suited not being one of the main targets. But if he doesn’t improve that bit more I can see Fullarton overtaking him.

PattyKwasagun · Oct 18, 2020

cotter101 said:
B: Gardiner Andrews Starcevich
HB: Rich Payne Ah Chee
C: McCluggage Lyons Bailey
HF: Coleman Hipwood McCarthy
FF: Cameron Daniher Zorko
Ruck: McInerney Rayner Neale
Bench: Fullarton, Berry, Answerth,Robertson

Not entirely confident on this, but I reckon there's a significantly better chance of Cockatoo being in our 22 for round 1 next year than Dev. Reckon Nakia is a player we'll want in the best 22 from the moment he's fit.

cotter101 · Oct 18, 2020

PattyKwasagun said:
Not entirely confident on this, but I reckon there's a significantly better chance of Cockatoo being in our 22 for round 1 next year than Dev. Reckon Nakia is a player we'll want in the best 22 from the moment he's fit.

Can see why. He’d add a hell of a lot. I’ve left him out despite being pretty confident of us landing him because he hasn’t nominated us publicly just yet.

pulpdriver · Oct 18, 2020

PattyKwasagun said:
From tonight's match, I'd go:

Out: Stef Martin, Cam Ellis-Yolmen, Grant Birchall

14

Grant Birchall

Age
33

Ht

193cm

Wt
89kg

Pos.
Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D
21.9

5

K
12.6

5

HB
9.3

5

M
5.8

5

T
1.6

4

MG
250.0

4

D
13.3

3

K
9.2

4

HB
4.2

3

M
4.3

4

T
1.3

2

MG
250.0

4

D
14.0

4

K
7.6

3

HB
6.4

4

M
2.6

3

T
0.6

3

, Jack Payne, Ryan Lester

35

Ryan Lester

Age
28

Ht

192cm

Wt
85kg

Pos.
Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D
14.9

4

K
7.9

3

HB
7.0

4

M
3.9

4

T
2.7

4

MG
170.4

3

D
10.3

3

K
5.8

2

HB
4.5

3

M
2.7

3

T
1.5

2

MG
140.7

3

D
12.6

4

K
6.8

3

HB
5.8

4

M
3.8

4

T
0.6

3

In: Joe Daniher

3

Joe Daniher

Age
26

Ht

200cm

Wt
99kg

Pos.
Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D
12.7

3

K
8.7

3

HB
4.0

3

M
5.8

5

T
1.3

3

G
1.8

5

No current season stats available

D
12.2

3

K
7.2

3

HB
5.0

4

M
5.4

5

T
0.6

3

G
0.6

3

, Keidean Coleman, Nakia Cockatoo

12

Nakia Cockatoo

Age
24

Ht

186cm

Wt
90kg

Pos.
M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D
9.6

2

K
6.1

2

HB
3.5

3

M
2.6

3

T
3.1

5

CL
1.0

3

No current season stats available

D
6.6

2

K
3.4

2

HB
3.2

3

M
2.2

3

T
2.4

4

CL
0.2

2

, Darcy Gardiner

27

Darcy Gardiner

Age
25

Ht

193cm

Wt
92kg

Pos.
Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D
12.6

3

K
7.4

3

HB
5.2

4

M
4.1

4

T
2.1

4

MG
196.1

3

D
10.7

3

K
7.9

3

HB
2.9

2

M
3.7

4

T
2.1

3

MG
196.1

3

D
10.2

3

K
6.0

3

HB
4.2

3

M
3.6

4

T
1.8

4

, Marcus Adams

24

Marcus Adams

Age
27

Ht

192cm

Wt
93kg

Pos.
Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D
13.8

4

K
8.1

3

HB
5.7

4

M
5.6

5

T
2.0

4

MG
240.5

4

D
5.0

1

K
2.0

1

HB
3.0

2

M
1.0

1

T
0.0

1

MG
57.0

1

D
15.8

4

K
9.0

4

HB
6.8

4

M
6.8

5

T
2.0

4

MG
235.8

4

If we're able to trade in another top line midfielder, I'd probably put them in for Mitch Robinson

5

Mitch Robinson

Age
31

Ht

184cm

Wt
90kg

Pos.
Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D
19.9

5

K
11.2

4

HB
8.7

5

M
4.1

4

T
4.7

5

CL
3.2

5

D
15.8

4

K
11.3

4

HB
4.5

3

M
3.9

4

T
1.9

3

CL
1.8

4

D
13.2

4

K
8.0

3

HB
5.2

4

M
4.0

4

T
3.6

5

.

Adams over Payne seems like a fantasy at this point, particularly after Paybe just played the game of his career predominantly manning a smaller opponent.

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