2021 Crowds and Ratings Thread

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JayJ20

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Your argument has so many flaws your numbers only reflect a fraction of each teams pulling power.
You brought up Marvel, Princes Park and Windy Hill Covid all valid arguments now you retract it???
Carlton and Essendon have been in the competition from the start. I'm just stating the fact that overall as it stands Carlton is a bigger drawing club and Essendon has played 2 extra finals.
Sorry but your argument is all over the place. I explained it very clearly and provided the proof.

I can't be bothered going back and forth. If you're confused, read all of my posts again and you'll understand.
 

PonsfordMagpie

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Top 10 highest home crowds in non-final years vs interstate teams

Collingwood
  1. Sydney (MCG) = 57,894 (1998)
  2. West Coast (MCG) = 53,049 (2014)
  3. Port Adelaide (MCG) = 51,883 (1997)
  4. Brisbane (MCG) = 45,016 (2001)
  5. West Coast (Marvel) = 44,401 (2004)
  6. GWS (MCG) = 43,390 (2015)
  7. Sydney (Marvel) = 42,640 (2001)
  8. Adelaide (MCG) = 41,486 (2014)
  9. West Coast (Waverley) = 39,266 (1991)
  10. Adelaide (Marvel) = 37,881 (2004)

Essendon
  1. West Coast (Marvel) = 48,913 (2007)
  2. Sydney (Marvel) = 45,355 (2006)
  3. Brisbane (Marvel) = 44,055 (2005)
  4. West Coast (Marvel) = 43,260 (2012)
  5. Sydney (Marvel) = 42,785 (2012)
  6. Sydney (Marvel) = 42,251 (2018)
  7. Sydney (Marvel) = 41,629 (2005)
  8. Brisbane (Marvel) = 40,053 (2008)
  9. West Coast (MCG) = 39,492 (1994)
  10. Brisbane (MCG) = 37,642 (1997)

Richmond
  1. Fremantle (MCG) = 43,801 (2012)
  2. Sydney (MCG) = 40,462 (1999)
  3. Sydney (MCG) = 40,352 (2012)
  4. Sydney (MCG) = 39,386 (2010)
  5. Adelaide (MCG) = 39,044 (1996)
  6. Sydney (MCG) = 37,985 (2007)
  7. Port Adelaide (Marvel) = 37,674 (2010)
  8. West Coast (MCG) = 37,482 (1996)
  9. Brisbane (MCG) = 37,438 (2011)
  10. Sydney (Marvel) = 36,477 (2006)

Carlton
  1. Adelaide (MCG) = 41,033 (2008)
  2. Sydney (Marvel) = 39,290 (2009)
  3. Brisbane (Marvel) = 38,675 (2008)
  4. Sydney (Marvel) = 38,401 (2008)
  5. Adelaide (MCG) = 38,369 (2019)
  6. Brisbane (Marvel) = 37,880 (2005)
  7. Sydney (Marvel) = 36,942 (2012)
  8. Sydney (Marvel) = 36,930 (2006)
  9. Adelaide (Marvel) = 35,917 (2012)
  10. Brisbane (Marvel) = 33,598 (2007)
 

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dave10

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Top 10 highest home crowds in non-final years vs interstate teams

Collingwood
  1. Sydney (MCG) = 57,894 (1998)
  2. West Coast (MCG) = 53,049 (2014)
  3. Port Adelaide (MCG) = 51,883 (1997)
  4. Brisbane (MCG) = 45,016 (2001)
  5. West Coast (Marvel) = 44,401 (2004)
  6. GWS (MCG) = 43,390 (2015)
  7. Sydney (Marvel) = 42,640 (2001)
  8. Adelaide (MCG) = 41,486 (2014)
  9. West Coast (Waverley) = 39,266 (1991)
  10. Adelaide (Marvel) = 37,881 (2004)

Essendon
  1. West Coast (Marvel) = 48,913 (2007)
  2. Sydney (Marvel) = 45,355 (2006)
  3. Brisbane (Marvel) = 44,055 (2005)
  4. West Coast (Marvel) = 43,260 (2012)
  5. Sydney (Marvel) = 42,785 (2012)
  6. Sydney (Marvel) = 42,251 (2018)
  7. Sydney (Marvel) = 41,629 (2005)
  8. Brisbane (Marvel) = 40,053 (2008)
  9. West Coast (MCG) = 39,492 (1994)
  10. Brisbane (MCG) = 37,642 (1997)

Richmond
  1. Fremantle (MCG) = 43,801 (2012)
  2. Sydney (MCG) = 40,462 (1999)
  3. Sydney (MCG) = 40,352 (2012)
  4. Sydney (MCG) = 39,386 (2010)
  5. Adelaide (MCG) = 39,044 (1996)
  6. Sydney (MCG) = 37,985 (2007)
  7. Port Adelaide (Marvel) = 37,674 (2010)
  8. West Coast (MCG) = 37,482 (1996)
  9. Brisbane (MCG) = 37,438 (2011)
  10. Sydney (Marvel) = 36,477 (2006)

Carlton
  1. Adelaide (MCG) = 41,033 (2008)
  2. Sydney (Marvel) = 39,290 (2009)
  3. Brisbane (Marvel) = 38,675 (2008)
  4. Sydney (Marvel) = 38,401 (2008)
  5. Adelaide (MCG) = 38,369 (2019)
  6. Brisbane (Marvel) = 37,880 (2005)
  7. Sydney (Marvel) = 36,942 (2012)
  8. Sydney (Marvel) = 36,930 (2006)
  9. Adelaide (Marvel) = 35,917 (2012)
  10. Brisbane (Marvel) = 33,598 (2007)
Interesting, really interesting. A couple of points I see:

Essendon - Top 5 crowds all Marvel crowds & sell outs. Almost certainly preventing likely 50,000+ crowds if played at the MCG in several of these.
(eg: Ess v Sydney 2019 - 60,300). Bottom 5 of this list very similar to Collingwood indicating Collingwoid and Essendon are clear 1st & 2nd ranked in Victoria as I’ve indicated previously

Carlton - The cleat #4 however their non finals years are probably worse than the other clubs non finals years. They've had more basement years meaning their crowds naturally would be lower. Confirms it’s support is closer to Richmond (in Victoria) than Collingwood or Essendon

Richmond - Recent success has certainly shown that its crowds have taken off. However their crowds don’t reach the level of Collingwood or Essendon in the years prior to 2017.

In summary, Collingwood, then Essendon clearly have the two largest followings as indicated by their stronger baseline support which is most clearly evident in lean years on field.
 

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Dave has a clear bias against Richmond along with some other Dons and Pies posters on here so I would be taking his opinion with a grain of salt. I kind of get it they always assumed they were the 2 biggest clubs and the "establishment" doesn't like to be rocked. The thing is Richmond have always had a big base but the lack of success through the 80s and 90s put us at a disadvantage against the other big Vic clubs to maximise crowds. Given the same set of circumstances in that era Collingwood and Essendon would have also had very poor crowds against interstate sides. Richmond's home crowds in recent years against interstate sides speaks volumes to our natural drawing power. 76K against Brisbane was insane. Highest crowds against Adelaide and Gold Coast as well. Of course some of the posters here are blind to these facts due to their agenda. Have you noticed how they trot out all the excuses for their own poor crowds but when Richmond have a shocker and we give a reasonable explanation it's a "cop out" :tearsofjoy:
Alright I assume this is directed at me so I'll bite. Firstly, I haven't actually got involved in any of the furor regarding the Richmond vs GWS crowd, save for one remark on your attitude towards Marvel Stadium. I tend to steer clear of Club v Club arguments about crowds because everyone has shockers (Collingwood vs Gold Coast, 17k at Marvel in 2017(?)) and most clubs have really good crowds on occasions, too.

I don't really care about the excuses people use for their clubs poor crowds, most of them have some merit. For Richmond - Covid, ticketing etc. etc. are perfectly reasonable excuses for the crowd on the weekend. What sh*ts me, though, is this frame of mind you, and a lot of Richmond supporters, and your coach, and, yes, also some Collingwood, Hawthorn and Melbourne supporters have that Marvel Stadium is, as you put it - 'a terrible footy venue' - and that 'the bland environment doesn't suit a traditional club like Richmond it feels more like a dfo shopping centre'. I mean seriously? Just stinks of a spoilt brat and it's not even really an opinion, it's just wrong. You can dislike it because it's not the G, but it's not a terrible footy venue by any measure. If you were a North Melbourne supporter I would be saying the same thing, too, and I hope to call out Collingwood supporters trumpeting the same garbage.

I will say, though, I do have an issue with Collingwood, Richmond, Hawthorn and Melbourne being forced to play home games at Marvel. It's not our home ground. Pre-AFL purchase, there was a certain quota of games that needed to be played at Marvel, hence those 4 clubs had to give up a certain amount of home games in order to meet that quota (For a while Collingwood would actually have 2 home games there, the rest only 1!) It was a ridiculous contractual agreement, but it was an agreement nonetheless. Now, the AFL owns the stadium outright, why do we need to continue playing home games there? Have I missed something (please call me out if so)? Also think Geelong should be able to play all 11 home games at GHMBA

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Top 10 highest home crowds in non-final years vs interstate teams

Collingwood
  1. Sydney (MCG) = 57,894 (1998)
  2. West Coast (MCG) = 53,049 (2014)
  3. Port Adelaide (MCG) = 51,883 (1997)
  4. Brisbane (MCG) = 45,016 (2001)
  5. West Coast (Marvel) = 44,401 (2004)
  6. GWS (MCG) = 43,390 (2015)
  7. Sydney (Marvel) = 42,640 (2001)
  8. Adelaide (MCG) = 41,486 (2014)
  9. West Coast (Waverley) = 39,266 (1991)
  10. Adelaide (Marvel) = 37,881 (2004)

Essendon
  1. West Coast (Marvel) = 48,913 (2007)
  2. Sydney (Marvel) = 45,355 (2006)
  3. Brisbane (Marvel) = 44,055 (2005)
  4. West Coast (Marvel) = 43,260 (2012)
  5. Sydney (Marvel) = 42,785 (2012)
  6. Sydney (Marvel) = 42,251 (2018)
  7. Sydney (Marvel) = 41,629 (2005)
  8. Brisbane (Marvel) = 40,053 (2008)
  9. West Coast (MCG) = 39,492 (1994)
  10. Brisbane (MCG) = 37,642 (1997)

Richmond
  1. Fremantle (MCG) = 43,801 (2012)
  2. Sydney (MCG) = 40,462 (1999)
  3. Sydney (MCG) = 40,352 (2012)
  4. Sydney (MCG) = 39,386 (2010)
  5. Adelaide (MCG) = 39,044 (1996)
  6. Sydney (MCG) = 37,985 (2007)
  7. Port Adelaide (Marvel) = 37,674 (2010)
  8. West Coast (MCG) = 37,482 (1996)
  9. Brisbane (MCG) = 37,438 (2011)
  10. Sydney (Marvel) = 36,477 (2006)

Carlton
  1. Adelaide (MCG) = 41,033 (2008)
  2. Sydney (Marvel) = 39,290 (2009)
  3. Brisbane (Marvel) = 38,675 (2008)
  4. Sydney (Marvel) = 38,401 (2008)
  5. Adelaide (MCG) = 38,369 (2019)
  6. Brisbane (Marvel) = 37,880 (2005)
  7. Sydney (Marvel) = 36,942 (2012)
  8. Sydney (Marvel) = 36,930 (2006)
  9. Adelaide (Marvel) = 35,917 (2012)
  10. Brisbane (Marvel) = 33,598 (2007)
My point being this is only fraction of measuring support. You need to look at the overall picture.
 

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To be honest, apart from Melbourne FC, all the other clubs wanting to play at the MCG are Johnnie-cum-latelies.
Their history of playing home games at the G is marginally bigger than the Giant's history of playing at Homebush.
 

AstuteTiger

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My point being this is only fraction of measuring support. You need to look at the overall picture.
This is 100% spot on I mean you need to also look was there the ultimate success or making a GF the year or a few years prior.
This is the case with both ess and pies. We all know when they made GF's and won flags.

Richmonds figures not too bad considering we had no ultimate success since 1980
Blues too those years show 10-20 years when you last tasted the ultimate success in 1995
Some of the pies and ess numbers were either a year after winning the flag or a few years later from appearing in back2back GF's

The bottom line everything is subjective. And I'm sure everyone can pinpoint this and that too why their team is the biggest.

I'm just loving that my team has finally shown how big it could become with achieving the ultimate success or even making a GF. Like the other clubs have had over the past 10-20+ years.

Major records by any team not only my own can only be achieved whilst success reigns supreme.
I'm not talking crowds in the 40's and say early 50's, More your massive 60K and 70K+ attendances V interstate sides.

Rich V Lions 77K is insane. Highest home and away crowd V an Interstate side by any club. Of course had we not won flags we wouldn't be hitting that figure, that's just captain obvious stuff. On the flip side, we have shown just like the home&away lions game that given the right circumstances like the prelim V GWS that we can sell out the G pretty much on our own (95K) and achieve these monster type crowds.

Look forward to when blues and bombers win a flag or make the granny again no doubt some records could be broken.
The pies have been there in the last decade with a flag and multiple GF's, so no point in mentioning them.
 
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workhorse

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This is 100% spot on I mean you need to also look was there the ultimate success or making a GF the year or a few years prior.
This is the case with both ess and pies. We all know when they made GF's and won flags.

Richmonds figures not too bad considering we had no ultimate success since 1980
Blues too those years show 10-20 years when you last tasted the ultimate success in 1995
Some of the pies and ess numbers were either a year after winning the flag or a few years later from appearing in back2back GF's

The bottom line everything is subjective. And I'm sure everyone can pinpoint this and that too why their team is the biggest.

I'm just loving that my team has finally shown how big it could become with achieving the ultimate success or even making a GF. Like the other clubs have had over the past 10-20+ years.

Major records by any team not only my own can only be achieved whilst success reigns supreme.
I'm not talking crowds in the 40's and say early 50's, More your massive 60K and 70K+ attendances V interstate sides.

Rich V Lions 77K is insane. Highest home and away crowd V an Interstate side by any club. Of course had we not won flags we wouldn't be hitting that figure, that's just captain obvious stuff. On the flip side, we have shown just like the home&away lions game that given the right circumstances like the prelim V GWS selling the G out pretty much on our own (95K) that we can achieve these monster type crowds.

Look forward to when blues and bombers win a flag or make the granny again no doubt some records could be broken.
The pies have been there in the last decade with a flag and multiple GF's, so no point in mentioning them.
All very true. The underlying truth that often gets overlooked here is that the key driver for great crowds is, and always has been, form/ladder position. Be it of the home side or both sides. Essendon in the 90s, Collingwood in 2010-12, Richmond now. Heck, Hawthorn got 72k vs Sydney in Round 18, 2014. North Melbourne vs Bulldogs drew 68k in Round 22, 1998.
 

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All this debate is quite nonsense really. The fact Essendon play 7 home matches at Marvel, Carlton playing 6 at Marvel and Collingwood/Richmond 9-10 a season at the G means it’s impossible to compare crowds.
Would love nothing more than Brisbane v Richmond being played in front of a huge crowd on Friday night. I hope the ticket prices aren’t at extravagant prices which decreases the likelihood of fans buying tickets.
 
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I don't really care about the excuses people use for their clubs poor crowds, most of them have some merit. For Richmond - Covid, ticketing etc. etc. are perfectly reasonable excuses for the crowd on the weekend. What sh*ts me, though, is this frame of mind you, and a lot of Richmond supporters, and your coach, and, yes, also some Collingwood, Hawthorn and Melbourne supporters have that Marvel Stadium is, as you put it - 'a terrible footy venue' - and that 'the bland environment doesn't suit a traditional club like Richmond it feels more like a dfo shopping centre'. I mean seriously? Just stinks of a spoilt brat and it's not even really an opinion, it's just wrong. You can dislike it because it's not the G, but it's not a terrible footy venue by any measure. If you were a North Melbourne supporter I would be saying the same thing, too, and I hope to call out Collingwood supporters trumpeting the same garbage.
Lol wtf do you your own the stadium? Sorry Gil but I stand by that 110% - we don't call your shitty little function centre shitihad for nothing. As I said earlier opinions are like assholes which is just what your view on shitihad is. Regardless of that I can't help how I feel about the joint. You want me to change my attitude because you think it's wrong? GTFO of here :tearsofjoy: I'll feel how I want to feel :tearsofjoy: :tearsofjoy:


I will say, though, I do have an issue with Collingwood, Richmond, Hawthorn and Melbourne being forced to play home games at Marvel. It's not our home ground. Pre-AFL purchase, there was a certain quota of games that needed to be played at Marvel, hence those 4 clubs had to give up a certain amount of home games in order to meet that quota (For a while Collingwood would actually have 2 home games there, the rest only 1!) It was a ridiculous contractual agreement, but it was an agreement nonetheless. Now, the AFL owns the stadium outright, why do we need to continue playing home games there? Have I missed something (please call me out if so)? Also think Geelong should be able to play all 11 home games at GHMBA
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I like Docklands, it's a great stadium whose major flaw is simply that it's not the MCG.

Having said that, allowing Collingwood to play all its home games at the G would fix a couple of glaring issues in the fixture. Currently, we're contracted to play 14 games at the G each year and are also forced to host 2 home games at Docklands. Coupled with the need to play at least 5 games outside of Vic that basically fills our schedule up.

It means we have to have away games at the G against 5 out of Carlton, Essendon, Richmond, Hawthorn, Melbourne & Geelong every year. It also means that since we went to 18 teams only 1 out of North, St Kilda or the Bulldogs can have a home game against us each year. (unless 1 is played at the G, like St Kilda got in 2016 as a special thing for the 50th anniversary of their flag).

Since GWS entered the comp (9 seasons including this year but excluding 2020) this is the breakdown Collingwood's away games:

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The Docklands tenants bringing up the rear along with Geelong, as the AFL's solution to Geelong not wanting to play us at the G seems to have been not giving them any home games against us (they've had none since 2017). Giving us all our home games at the MCG would easily allow room in the fixture for Geelong to host us at Kardinia Park as well as letting StK, WB and North get a better share. One home game against us every 3 years is not good enough.
 

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Top 10 highest home crowds in non-final years vs interstate teams

Collingwood
  1. Sydney (MCG) = 57,894 (1998)
  2. West Coast (MCG) = 53,049 (2014)
  3. Port Adelaide (MCG) = 51,883 (1997)
  4. Brisbane (MCG) = 45,016 (2001)
  5. West Coast (Marvel) = 44,401 (2004)
  6. GWS (MCG) = 43,390 (2015)
  7. Sydney (Marvel) = 42,640 (2001)
  8. Adelaide (MCG) = 41,486 (2014)
  9. West Coast (Waverley) = 39,266 (1991)
  10. Adelaide (Marvel) = 37,881 (2004)

Essendon
  1. West Coast (Marvel) = 48,913 (2007)
  2. Sydney (Marvel) = 45,355 (2006)
  3. Brisbane (Marvel) = 44,055 (2005)
  4. West Coast (Marvel) = 43,260 (2012)
  5. Sydney (Marvel) = 42,785 (2012)
  6. Sydney (Marvel) = 42,251 (2018)
  7. Sydney (Marvel) = 41,629 (2005)
  8. Brisbane (Marvel) = 40,053 (2008)
  9. West Coast (MCG) = 39,492 (1994)
  10. Brisbane (MCG) = 37,642 (1997)

Richmond
  1. Fremantle (MCG) = 43,801 (2012)
  2. Sydney (MCG) = 40,462 (1999)
  3. Sydney (MCG) = 40,352 (2012)
  4. Sydney (MCG) = 39,386 (2010)
  5. Adelaide (MCG) = 39,044 (1996)
  6. Sydney (MCG) = 37,985 (2007)
  7. Port Adelaide (Marvel) = 37,674 (2010)
  8. West Coast (MCG) = 37,482 (1996)
  9. Brisbane (MCG) = 37,438 (2011)
  10. Sydney (Marvel) = 36,477 (2006)

Carlton
  1. Adelaide (MCG) = 41,033 (2008)
  2. Sydney (Marvel) = 39,290 (2009)
  3. Brisbane (Marvel) = 38,675 (2008)
  4. Sydney (Marvel) = 38,401 (2008)
  5. Adelaide (MCG) = 38,369 (2019)
  6. Brisbane (Marvel) = 37,880 (2005)
  7. Sydney (Marvel) = 36,942 (2012)
  8. Sydney (Marvel) = 36,930 (2006)
  9. Adelaide (Marvel) = 35,917 (2012)
  10. Brisbane (Marvel) = 33,598 (2007)
Would be more accurate if you did it based on each big 4 club being in ladder positions 10-18 at the beginning of the round but that's probably too time consuming and I reckon the the results would be pretty much the same but with lower crowd numbers all round. Only reason I suggest this is a few of those crowds above are inflated by the teams being well inside the 8 at the time of the game.
 

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Would be more accurate if you did it based on each big 4 club being in ladder positions 10-18 at the beginning of the round but that's probably too time consuming and I reckon the the results would be pretty much the same but with lower crowd numbers all round. Only reason I suggest this is a few of those crowds above are inflated by the teams being well inside the 8 at the time of the game.
Yep, I’ll happily do it when I have the time.
 

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Just had a look at Richmond’s home games at Marvel since 2000, and broken it down by the number of home games per year:

2000 = 4

2001 = 2

2002 = 3

2003-2006 = 4

2007-2008 = 3

2009 = 2

2010 = 3

2011-2021 = 1

So the current arrangement has been in place since 2011. I wonder when the contract to play a single home game at Marvel ends?
 

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Clubs need to be pushing the theatre side for games, in particular coaches, players and even Presidents. Sheeds was the best for this. I remember him building up a game mid 2000's when Bombers were playing Freo. Built the game up to get a big crowd there and make it a "Cauldron" like atmosphere. Also with the Marshmallow game against North. It got people wanting to come to games, rather than just sitting at home watching it.

Just feel that more can be done in building up and promoting games between clubs without it having to be a "speciality" game like Dream time, ANZAC day.
 

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Clubs need to be pushing the theatre side for games, in particular coaches, players and even Presidents. Sheeds was the best for this. I remember him building up a game mid 2000's when Bombers were playing Freo. Built the game up to get a big crowd there and make it a "Cauldron" like atmosphere. Also with the Marshmallow game against North. It got people wanting to come to games, rather than just sitting at home watching it.

Just feel that more can be done in building up and promoting games between clubs without it having to be a "speciality" game like Dream time, ANZAC day.
I feel my club had become exceptionally lazy in this regard in recent years, and had come to take the huge support for granted. This goes doubly in the case of our home games at Docklands, which anyone could tell were underperforming for years and yet nothing was ever done to rectify it.

Now we've been hit with covid and its aftereffects right when we've fallen to the lower points in the form cycle. They will actually have to pull their collective fingers out to win back the masses.
 

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Clubs need to be pushing the theatre side for games, in particular coaches, players and even Presidents. Sheeds was the best for this. I remember him building up a game mid 2000's when Bombers were playing Freo. Built the game up to get a big crowd there and make it a "Cauldron" like atmosphere. Also with the Marshmallow game against North. It got people wanting to come to games, rather than just sitting at home watching it.

Just feel that more can be done in building up and promoting games between clubs without it having to be a "speciality" game like Dream time, ANZAC day.
Agreed. Sheeds was the master of mustering up angst with other clubs. Eagles with the scarf waving was a big thing for many years when we played the Eagles.
Kangas to this day regard the Bombers game their biggest as we’re their biggest rival. This Sunday could be their biggest crowd all season. I’m hoping we can get 30,000 but it’s a 4:40 pm time slot so could be difficult.


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I feel my club had become exceptionally lazy in this regard in recent years, and had come to take the huge support for granted. This goes doubly in the case of our home games at Docklands, which anyone could tell were underperforming for years and yet nothing was ever done to rectify it.

Now we've been hit with covid and its aftereffects right when we've fallen to the lower points in the form cycle. They will actually have to pull their collective fingers out to win back the masses.
Yeah think every club is guilty of this. Can't stand it say when people dislike someone talking about another club in fear of revving them up for the upcoming match, like who cares! It's great theatre!!

I mean Richmond vs Giants was a pretty important match in terms of making the 8 and ladder position. How great would it have been had Hardwick, Gale or Cotch to buzz it up by telling Tigers supporters to "get down there, make some noise and show this mickey mouse club what a real crowd is"..... Not saying it would have been a sell out, but could have pumped it up enough to get 40k there.
 

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I'm on the Belgrave train line and it seems like every weekend they are doing line works so you have to use the train part of the way then have to hop on a bus for the rest of the journey. Adds an extra 40 minutes each way for a trip into the city to Marvel. Faced with that i would rather just watch from home. Am sick of metro.
Yes, there was no trains going to the footy where i was from. Had to catch a bus there, stopping all stations, what would normally be a 30 min journey took 1hr 15 mins all up, had to then change platforms at Flinders St and wait for another train just to get to the next station at Southern Cross, disgraceful, ended up missing half of the 1st qtr.
 

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"I like Docklands, it's a great stadium whose major flaw is simply that it's not the MCG."

That's the problem we have one of the biggest and best stadiums in the world in the G but every other capital city in the nation would love to have a Marvel type stadium for Australian Football and cricket!
 

BobbyMorri

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Noticed there was an online poll in The Age today. Disclaimer, online polls can be dodgy, slanted and unreliable, and this only has 2000 responders at the current age of writing this. But I still found this one interesting nonetheless. And its not new information either.

Basically asked why you, the good people of Melbourne, were not going to the footy. The highest option, at 30%, was the online process of buying a ticket. I found that very interesting, as this is an online poll, so the people responding to it are more likely to be tech-savvy and used to online shopping and the like. It's quite likely that the actual number of fans who dislike this process to be way higher because of this. I was surprised by how large this issue was.

Now, the AFL, clubs, agencies and stadiums are limited in what they can do by each states public health rules and regulations. But this whole process needs to be simplified in some way. It is a whole new process, so refinement is key.

For those wondering, the 2nd highest reason was TV (18%), price(15%) and covid and AFL both at 10% each.
 

AstuteTiger

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Interesting article, pretty sure this is the one BobbyMorri was referring to.

Kayo’d: cheap streaming, complex ticketing keeps fans away from the footy
By Jake Niall and Jon Pierik
May 17, 2021

Kevin Passmore used to go to every Richmond home game, often with his partner and daughter. But he’s among the thousands of Tiger fans who stayed away from the Saturday night game against the Giants, his absence contributing to an alarmingly small crowd of fewer than 19,000.
Unlike Damien Hardwick and the Richmond hierarchy, Passmore has no issue with Marvel Stadium. It’s the COVID-created complexity, degree of difficulty and cost surrounding ticketing - the fact that he can’t just use his membership to walk in - that has seen him shift from the live experience to the couch and remote.
Tigers fan Kevin Passmore, his partner Jin ah Jo and daughter Ara on their way to the 2019 grand final.


Tigers fan Kevin Passmore, his partner Jin ah Jo and daughter Ara on their way to the 2019 grand final.
Just last week, Passmore, 57, from Brunswick, purchased a membership for Kayo, the streaming service that costs only $15 per month. But it was the round four game, when the Tigers hosted Sydney at the MCG, that saw him lose patience with the pandemic-interrupted system for booking a seat.
He wanted general admission seats for himself and his family, plus a couple of Sydney-supporter friends and went online in search of those seats together. “It took me close to four hours,” he said. The cost was a further $28 each, and the seats they landed were “right up in the nose-bleeds”.
Passmore says he intends to watch games on television this season.

“It’s just not worth going,” he said.
The likes of Passmore have helped Kayo - which is considerably cheaper than Foxtel, its broadcast parent - surge to more than one million subscribers over the past week.
In a sense, the adjustment of footy fans to COVID-19 is similar to what has occurred in other fields of entertainment: There is a reticence to go out from sections of the community, a reluctant to use public transport and the habit of turning up - like going to the CBD office - has been disrupted for many, who have stayed home and watched the broadcast. Foxtel’s audience, combined with Kayo, has increased by 17 per cent on the 2019 season.
“I think our game live is one of the greatest experiences in sport,” said the AFL executive responsible for broadcast and clubs, Travis Auld, who did not feel the ritual of going to games had been supplanted by television/streaming.

Rather, Auld - and other senior AFL figures - believe that the pandemic’s effects are still evident and that we must be patient and wait for normalisation of life before judging the drop off to be part of a deeper trend, such as a shift to a game experience largely defined - and even more funded - by the broadcast.
“We’re still not through this yet,” Auld said of COVID-19’s impact on the game. “It wasn’t so long ago that we were wearing masks in supermarkets.”

Fans and the AFL agree that the COVID-19 environment has created a layer of logistics that make it a little harder to get into the footy in 2021, when crowds are well down on the records of 2019 and 2018, a situation highlighted by a Richmond v GWS game whose dramatic denouement - and Dustin Martin brilliance - deserved a far larger live audience.
If there is a reticence about attending games, fans cite multiple factors: ticketing difficulties - devised to keep the public safe from the virus - are the main one. This is fully acknowledged by the AFL, who say the inability of fans to sit in their own reserved seats is an issue for attending games, along with the lower use of public transport.

Crowds are down significantly on the pre-COVID 2019 season - 700,000 fewer people attended the first eight rounds than the corresponding rounds of that season - although the AFL notes that their attendances are high on a global scale and contends that the current downturn is temporary, rather than a pointer to a new stay-at-home culture.

AFL Fans Association president Cheryl Critchley - who did get to Marvel for the Richmond-GWS game - said the feedback from fans outlined the following reasons:
* Ticketing difficulties, such as not being to use reserved seats, not being able to walk into the ground without a booking and QR codes.
* The health concerns about the virus and reluctance to be in big crowds.
* Costs of going to the footy, such as booking a seat, compared to staying home.
* The floating fixture, which provided less certainty for those who wished to plan.

The AFL and fans note that travelling from interstate or remote areas to games is almost non-existent this year.

Critchley detects fans are unwilling to go to trouble for what she termed “regular games” - by which she meant the non-blockbusters.
“Fans don’t like being forced to book for regular games,” she said, adding that reluctance was not evident in bigger games, such as the round one Richmond v Carlton game and Anzac Day. Fans were accustomed to a Ticketek process for those games.
“There’s a lot of fans who like to be in control themselves.”

Auld says there are “a lot of layers” behind the reduced attendances, which, logically, should be worse in Victoria due to the pandemic’s lingering impact and the restrictions (50 per cent only for the early games - although Western Australia had zero crowds for two games).
But if there’s a number like Passmore, who have Kayo’d crowds by watching footy on a screen, Auld and the league remain confident that, over time, the live experience will prevail and there will not be a great realignment of footy habits. Auld said going to the footy, in the flesh, was “as compelling as it ever was”.
“People also want to get back to a social environment. It’s just going to take time,” he said.


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Walshawk

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For me the floating fixture is the main reason. I have weekend work and until 2019, I would make sure any work commitments (usually made 6 - 10 weeks out) avoided Hawks games. Can’t do that anymore.
For my dad it is the booking, and not being able to sit in his usual seat. He says he is happy to watch or listen at home.
For my son who has sensory issues it is the extra noise, lighting, etc that has come in the last few years.
Put simply, my family’s habit of attending all Hawthorn home games has been broken. Being so crap doesn’t help of course, but I am not sure that it will ever return to what it was. Don’t reckon my dad will ever go to another game so sometimes it means I have no one to go with.
 

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