Play Nice 2021 Crowds and Ratings Thread
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Since 2010 the average MCG crowd for a Hawthorn v Essendon game is 64,359
Hawthorn V the Big 4 at the MCG since 2000…
Collingwood – 62,196 (from 21 games)
Essendon – 55,545 (from 18 games)
Richmond – 49,395 (from 22 games)
Carlton – 45,666 (from 11 games)
In fact these games are heavily slanted towards the 2000 to 2005 period (pre 7/4). Take those games out and Hawthorn v Richmond and Carlton jumps to 55,000, Hawthorn v Essendon jumps to 63,000 and Hawthorn v Collingwood jumps to 66,000.
As for Hawthorn v Geelong, the average MCG crowd for those matches is 68,000.
If Tasmania want the Big 4 Hawthorn is not the answer.
The risk / reward of taking North Melbourne games against high drawing opposition (which draws 35,000 at Docklands) is much lower than Hawthorn’s games which draw 60,000 plus at the MCG.
If matches featuring Coll, Carl, Ess, Rich and even Haw is the answer, the State Government is better served buying home games off cash strapped clubs (i.e. StK, NM, Melb etc.), rotating the games and cancelling the Hawthorn sponsorship.
The problem with Melbourne is that like Hawthorn, games against the larger drawing Vic clubs will be scheduled at the MCG and Tasmania will be left with the dregs
To be fair the two Launceston games (pre Essendon) still drew 9,000 - which is approx 30% down on pre Covid levels.
This is in line with attendances across the country during Covid.
An inconsistent approach has left the AFL’s application for capped crowds in significant doubt, despite the cap being delivered for the A-League.
Sam Landsberger and Jon Ralph - June 22, 2021
The AFL’s application for 50 per cent capacity crowds remains in significant doubt despite Victorian Health officials delivering the A-League exactly that for Sunday’s Grand Final.
The inconsistent approach will see AAMI Park half full on Sunday when, at the same time 4km down the road, Marvel Stadium could be capped at just 20 or 30 per cent for Carlton’s match against Adelaide.
Health officials will justify the decision by moving away from percentage caps and instead enforcing a spectator cap at Victorian venues.
For example, the most likely outcome would see the MCG capped at 30,000 and AAMI Park capped at 15,000, with both of those numbers deemed safe.
However, allowing 15,000 soccer fans to attend the Melbourne City-Sydney FC clash will see AAMI Park fill to exactly 50 per cent.
Footy stakeholders have grown frustrated with Victoria’s overly cautious approach.
On Sunday the Herald Sun revealed that the AFL and Melbourne Cricket Club had submitted a joint application for 50 per cent crowds in Round 15, but instead 30 per cent was likely to be the magic number.
That remains the case, although AFL powerbrokers were on Tuesday still waiting to learn their fate as news seeped out that the A-League decider would go ahead at a half full AAMI Stadium.
Government officials are likely to settle on AFL crowds by Tuesday night or early Wednesday.
It is understood the league is not pressuring the health department to reconsider its initial bid on the back of the soccer surprise.
There are four AFL games in Melbourne this weekend – two at the MCG and two at Marvel Stadium.
The biggest loser from the softly, softly approach will be Essendon, which hosts the ladder-leading Demons on Saturday night.
That marquee match could’ve drawn more than 70,000 fans in normal circumstances, given the recent fortunes of both clubs.
But instead it is likely that only 30,000 fans will attend.
Melbourne City fans will get their wish — and are set to have a 50 per cent capacity crowd at AAMI Park. Picture: Mark Kolbe/Getty Images
Clubs hemorrhage cash when they are forced to play in front of reduced crowds.
Geelong lost $500,000 last Friday night when just 7000 fans attended GMHBA Stadium, despite the match being staged in a regional Victoria city which had not recorded a coronavirus case since last September
The Cats would love their crowd capacity boosted to 75 per cent (27,000 fans) for next week’s clash against Essendon, however the early frontrunner is 50 per cent.
A half full GMHBA Stadium would see the Cats almost break even.
But they would still have to write out a small cheque to stage the game due to the drastic reduction in gameday revenues such as food and beverage.
Sam Landsberger and Jon Ralph - June 22, 2021
The AFL’s application for 50 per cent capacity crowds remains in significant doubt despite Victorian Health officials delivering the A-League exactly that for Sunday’s Grand Final.
The inconsistent approach will see AAMI Park half full on Sunday when, at the same time 4km down the road, Marvel Stadium could be capped at just 20 or 30 per cent for Carlton’s match against Adelaide.
Health officials will justify the decision by moving away from percentage caps and instead enforcing a spectator cap at Victorian venues.
For example, the most likely outcome would see the MCG capped at 30,000 and AAMI Park capped at 15,000, with both of those numbers deemed safe.
However, allowing 15,000 soccer fans to attend the Melbourne City-Sydney FC clash will see AAMI Park fill to exactly 50 per cent.
Footy stakeholders have grown frustrated with Victoria’s overly cautious approach.
On Sunday the Herald Sun revealed that the AFL and Melbourne Cricket Club had submitted a joint application for 50 per cent crowds in Round 15, but instead 30 per cent was likely to be the magic number.
That remains the case, although AFL powerbrokers were on Tuesday still waiting to learn their fate as news seeped out that the A-League decider would go ahead at a half full AAMI Stadium.
Government officials are likely to settle on AFL crowds by Tuesday night or early Wednesday.
It is understood the league is not pressuring the health department to reconsider its initial bid on the back of the soccer surprise.
There are four AFL games in Melbourne this weekend – two at the MCG and two at Marvel Stadium.
The biggest loser from the softly, softly approach will be Essendon, which hosts the ladder-leading Demons on Saturday night.
That marquee match could’ve drawn more than 70,000 fans in normal circumstances, given the recent fortunes of both clubs.
But instead it is likely that only 30,000 fans will attend.
Melbourne City fans will get their wish — and are set to have a 50 per cent capacity crowd at AAMI Park. Picture: Mark Kolbe/Getty Images
Clubs hemorrhage cash when they are forced to play in front of reduced crowds.
Geelong lost $500,000 last Friday night when just 7000 fans attended GMHBA Stadium, despite the match being staged in a regional Victoria city which had not recorded a coronavirus case since last September
The Cats would love their crowd capacity boosted to 75 per cent (27,000 fans) for next week’s clash against Essendon, however the early frontrunner is 50 per cent.
A half full GMHBA Stadium would see the Cats almost break even.
But they would still have to write out a small cheque to stage the game due to the drastic reduction in gameday revenues such as food and beverage.
- Nov 20, 2018
- 1,375
- 1,528
- AFL Club
- Carlton
Have Dreamtime twice a year one in Melbourne and the other around Australia.
Have the two biggest clubs Collingwood vs Carlton play twice once in Melbourne and the other around Australia.
I'm pretty certain I heard Prof Brett a say next week we will be back to the settings before the latest lockdown if the cases stay low!An inconsistent approach has left the AFL’s application for capped crowds in significant doubt, despite the cap being delivered for the A-League.
Sam Landsberger and Jon Ralph - June 22, 2021
The AFL’s application for 50 per cent capacity crowds remains in significant doubt despite Victorian Health officials delivering the A-League exactly that for Sunday’s Grand Final.
The inconsistent approach will see AAMI Park half full on Sunday when, at the same time 4km down the road, Marvel Stadium could be capped at just 20 or 30 per cent for Carlton’s match against Adelaide.
Health officials will justify the decision by moving away from percentage caps and instead enforcing a spectator cap at Victorian venues.
For example, the most likely outcome would see the MCG capped at 30,000 and AAMI Park capped at 15,000, with both of those numbers deemed safe.
However, allowing 15,000 soccer fans to attend the Melbourne City-Sydney FC clash will see AAMI Park fill to exactly 50 per cent.
Footy stakeholders have grown frustrated with Victoria’s overly cautious approach.
On Sunday the Herald Sun revealed that the AFL and Melbourne Cricket Club had submitted a joint application for 50 per cent crowds in Round 15, but instead 30 per cent was likely to be the magic number.
That remains the case, although AFL powerbrokers were on Tuesday still waiting to learn their fate as news seeped out that the A-League decider would go ahead at a half full AAMI Stadium.
Government officials are likely to settle on AFL crowds by Tuesday night or early Wednesday.
It is understood the league is not pressuring the health department to reconsider its initial bid on the back of the soccer surprise.
There are four AFL games in Melbourne this weekend – two at the MCG and two at Marvel Stadium.
The biggest loser from the softly, softly approach will be Essendon, which hosts the ladder-leading Demons on Saturday night.
That marquee match could’ve drawn more than 70,000 fans in normal circumstances, given the recent fortunes of both clubs.
But instead it is likely that only 30,000 fans will attend.
Melbourne City fans will get their wish — and are set to have a 50 per cent capacity crowd at AAMI Park. Picture: Mark Kolbe/Getty Images
Clubs hemorrhage cash when they are forced to play in front of reduced crowds.
Geelong lost $500,000 last Friday night when just 7000 fans attended GMHBA Stadium, despite the match being staged in a regional Victoria city which had not recorded a coronavirus case since last September
The Cats would love their crowd capacity boosted to 75 per cent (27,000 fans) for next week’s clash against Essendon, however the early frontrunner is 50 per cent.
A half full GMHBA Stadium would see the Cats almost break even.
But they would still have to write out a small cheque to stage the game due to the drastic reduction in gameday revenues such as food and beverage.
manicmagpie
A slice of fried gold
Gotta love that hyperbolic hypothetical. The biggest match between these two in the last 55 years is 62k (1st v 3rd in 2000). They couldn't even reach 50k 8 rounds after playing against each other in a Grand Final.
Respectively, I disagree. This fixture more than almost every other fixture involving two Victorian teams is the one impacted most by both teams poor on field form lines since 2000. I don’t believe Essendon have played Melbourne in a home game at the MCG since 2000 where both sides were travelling well, hence the poor turnouts. You can review this to confirm. In fact I’d argue they haven’t played a fixture at the MCG where (Essendon the home team) these teams were in the 8!
Under normal circumstances, it would draw upwards of 65,000 this weekend. Essendon home game status makes the difference.
I would actually argue they’ve drawn very well at the MCG in matches where one or both clubs have been in very lowly positions in the ladder.. Most matches played as irrelevant fixtures have drawn between 44-55,000 at the MCG where not rain effected. A couple of games were played in very wet conditions (~2012 & ~2015) if memory serves.
They have the two largest MCC followings. Eventually they will play a match of genuine relevance against each other where Essendon is the home side and it will draw 70,000. It’s only a matter of time.
manicmagpie
A slice of fried gold
It's a hypothetical so it's never worth arguing too strenuously about. I'm simply having a hard time imagining that if the Covid situation of the previous 3 weeks hadn't happened it would have got that high. It's an absolute best case scenario for years when attendances weren't already down let alone this one.
In fact if you take out QB & ANZAC Eve and Melbourne are left with just 9 crowds of over 70k in their entire history, 5 of which occurred prior to 1972. They just don't come around too often.
For info's sake there are two games that match your restrictive criteria and they're reasonably underwhelming. 2004 did have capacity limits at the G but there still would have been 15-20k empty seats that day so supply wasn't the issue.
1994 Rd 4- 1st v 3rd - 62k
2004 Rd 13 - 3rd v 5th - 47k
Agree with you here regarding timing element. In my opinion the Demons don’t quite have the same drawing power as the Hawks or Cats. Probably closer to the Saints.
In current circumstances the COVID environment would mean it wouldn’t draw at its potential. My guesstimate was more of a non COVID reality which isn’t going to be this year and because these clubs haven’t been competitive together for many years means it’s going to be a hypothetical. However this fixture will draw upwards of 70,000 under the right circumstances: Essendon being the home team (1), playing the Demons on a Friday night or Saturday afternoon (2), the two teams in the top 6 (3).
Also noteworthy, analysing Essendon crowd statistics the last 15 odd years is a bit like using Richmond crowd statistics pre 2017.. Richmond’s post 2017 crowds are off the charts by comparison to their pre 2017 crowds. If Essendon hit a run of form that sees it in the top 4 for a sustained period, they will have crowds that are similarly off the charts when compared to crowds between 2004-21. However, Essendon’s crowds the last 17 years are significantly better than Richmonds pre 2017 crowds when both sides were poor on field (2016 supplements ban year aside). You only have to look at the H&A aggregates, particularly home crowds Vs interstate teams to illustrate this.
Theirs a pent up energy and groundswell amongst the Essendon base that will explode when they finally emerge from their sleep. Their base home crowds in poorer years compare with Collingwood’s base crowds in its poorer years to give confidence around what its crowds would be in stronger years..
The crowds will take care of themselves if the stars align with the Demons.
- Nov 22, 2016
- 2,167
- 2,849
- AFL Club
- Adelaide
- Other Teams
- North Adelaide, Arsenal.
Elimination Final match up that year had 60,903, just under 14k more than the H/A game.
With the crowds allowed in Melbourne not providing clubs any financial viability, would it not be the perfect round to give footy to Regional Vic?
Imagine this weekend:
Tigers V Saints @ Bendigo
Pies V Freo @ Moe
Bombers V Dees @ Wangaratta
Giants V Hawks @ Albury
Blues v Crows @ Mildura
Perfect time to return footy to a heartland.
Regional economy has bit trampled for minimal cases, the excitement this would of created in each city would of been amazing!
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Imagine this weekend:
Tigers V Saints @ Bendigo
Pies V Freo @ Moe
Bombers V Dees @ Wangaratta
Giants V Hawks @ Albury
Blues v Crows @ Mildura
Perfect time to return footy to a heartland.
Regional economy has bit trampled for minimal cases, the excitement this would of created in each city would of been amazing!
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Bjo187
Premiership Player
- Apr 30, 2020
- 3,167
- 4,166
- AFL Club
- Essendon
Carlton top two biggest club since when?
- Nov 20, 2018
- 1,375
- 1,528
- AFL Club
- Carlton
1897
- Nov 20, 2018
- 1,375
- 1,528
- AFL Club
- Carlton
Always and you know itNever
- Nov 20, 2018
- 1,375
- 1,528
- AFL Club
- Carlton
in the first 30 years Carlton were the biggest drawing club and in the top 2 biggest drawing clubs through to the late 60’s then Richmond and Collingwood became the top two biggest clubs until the mid 80’s then it was Collingwood and Carlton. Since the mid 90’s it has been Collingwood and Essendon! At the moment Carlton are the 5th biggest club. Look at social media followers and the 5 biggest afl clubs in Australia
total Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and YouTube followers
1.Collingwood 778,000
2. Essendon 703,000
3. Richmond 681,000
4. Hawthorn 633,000
5. Carlton 614,000
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- Nov 20, 2018
- 1,375
- 1,528
- AFL Club
- Carlton
I speak the truth allot of what you right is propagandaThat whole post is complete BS
- Nov 20, 2018
- 1,375
- 1,528
- AFL Club
- Carlton
Adding social media numbers is flawed in some cases your adding the same supporters 3 times. Hawthorn do not have supporters than Carlton, West Coast or Adelaide.
CarnTheScray
Norm Smith Medallist
Carlton and Collingwood aren’t the biggest clubs.
collingwood and Essendon are the biggest clubs. The only clubs that have supporters in every part of Australia
smasha
It's Time!
After Richmond.
It didn't take gopies long to start with Collingwood are the biggest in the attendances thread.
And he says that the, "pies and ess the only clubs that have supporters in every part of Australia" LOL LOL LOL
I am pretty sure that Richmond, Carlton, hawks etc have fans in every part of Australia. I can't stand posters who just troll time after time.
Ess v rich at OS sold out 56K, sure 30K+ were neutrals but there was a s**t load of yellow and black and red and black and the bottom line is both clubs sold it out.
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