List Mgmt. 2021 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals

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Probably a more relevant Draft Rankings list given our current available selections.

Can we trade out top pick for 4 picks, cause all these guys seem like AA team players of the future.
Josh Browne's write up....seems like he can't do much more other than be born in Geelong, I wonder why he's that far down the rankings.

This bit is interesting...


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Basically an article pointing out that hype leading into the draft doesn't necessarily match output with regards to an AFL career and that lockdowns will require a degree of drafting guesswork.
Nothing particularly earth shattering, but I did think this was interesting;

Birth dates have a lot to do with development too. A few months makes a big difference to development when you’re a teenager.
Only one of last year’s top 10 was born in the second half of the year. Only four of the last 30 top 10 selections have been born after August 1.
But players catch up as they mature. Seven of 2021’s best and fairest winners were born after October 1. Five of them weren’t drafted in the first round. Two had to wait until the rookie draft.
And of course lockdowns, especially in Victoria, will also impact upon development.
Beatson has previously spoken about how he considers late birthdays can be somewhat of an advantage.
And perhaps even more so with regard to talls later in the draft?
McCartin pick 33 (30/12/99), Melican rookie (4/11/96), Amartey rookie (2/9/99), Reid pick 38 (27/12/91), Aliir pick 44 (5/9/94).

FWIW some of this year's tall nominees and their birthdays;
Alleer (21/08/01), Bazzo (17/10/03), Dean (19/06/01), JVR (16/04/03), Schlensog (25/09/2000), Williams (1/12/03) (Alleer SANFL, Dean VFL, other 4 WA).
(I've excluded players such as Andrew and Gibcus who will be gone before our first pick, but have included matureagers in Alleer, Dean & the Sog).

Lastly a reminder that anotherletdown's favourite, Darcy Wilmot (albeit a flanker) has a birthday of 31/12/03. ;)
 
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Basically an article pointing out that hype leading into the draft doesn't necessarily match output with regards to an AFL career and that lockdowns will require a degree of drafting guesswork.
Nothing particularly earth shattering, but I did think this was interesting;


And of course lockdowns, especially in Victoria, will also impact upon development.
Beatson has previously spoken about how he considers late birthdays can be somewhat of an advantage.
And perhaps even moreso with regard to talls later in the draft?
McCartin pick 33 (30/12/99), Melican rookie (4/11/96), Amartey rookie (2/9/99), Reid pick 38 (27/12/91), Aliir pick 44 (5/9/94).

FWIW some of this year tall nominees and their birthdays;
Alleer (21/08/01), Bazzo (17/10/03), Dean (19/06/01), JVR (16/04/03), Williams (1/12/03)
(I've excluded players such as Andrew and Gibcus who will be gone before our first pick, but have included matureagers in Alleer & Dean).

Lastly a reminder that anotherletdown's favourite Darcy Wilmot (albeit a flanker) has a birthday of 31/12/03. ;)
I'd be over the moon with Wilmot, Sounds like a real team player.
 

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The Herald Sun has done a full mock draft.

Welcome Darcy Wilmot, Cooper Murley, Charlie Dean and James Tunstill.
I'm happy with the Wilmot and Dean selections but I feel that we would grab Warner rather than Murley with our second pick.
Interesting to note that our pick 31 became 35 and 39 became 42 due to the number of academy picks.
 

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Some people need to go back to 2019 and 2020 and watch those games, particularly early in the year when you are starting with a plan to implement your own style.

To say that we played defensive football in 2019 and 2020 and it all changed in 2021 is just flat out wrong.
My opinion that Pyke had a significant influence in how we played this year is not based on a change of focus. It is based on player interviews, where they mentioned how much they have learnt from the Don.
 

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Basically an article pointing out that hype leading into the draft doesn't necessarily match output with regards to an AFL career and that lockdowns will require a degree of drafting guesswork.
Nothing particularly earth shattering, but I did think this was interesting;


And of course lockdowns, especially in Victoria, will also impact upon development.
Beatson has previously spoken about how he considers late birthdays can be somewhat of an advantage.
And perhaps even more so with regard to talls later in the draft?
McCartin pick 33 (30/12/99), Melican rookie (4/11/96), Amartey rookie (2/9/99), Reid pick 38 (27/12/91), Aliir pick 44 (5/9/94).

FWIW some of this year's tall nominees and their birthdays;
Alleer (21/08/01), Bazzo (17/10/03), Dean (19/06/01), JVR (16/04/03), Williams (1/12/03) (Alleer SANFL, Dean VFL, other 3 WA).
(I've excluded players such as Andrew and Gibcus who will be gone before our first pick, but have included matureagers in Alleer & Dean).

Lastly a reminder that anotherletdown's favourite, Darcy Wilmot (albeit a flanker) has a birthday of 31/12/03. ;)
Cat's out of the bag now :oops:. My secret drafting rationale has been outed. Erasmus is the other Dec. that stands out - he could be another Heeney

What would Wilmot's draft range be if he was 1 day older...? hint, it's probably a single figure number. I also think we should be preparing for a gap at Lloyd's position, and Rampe's leadership in a few years time, Wilmot covers both.
I know I'm a broken record but Wilmot or Chesser at our first would be rock solid gold. The one I'm scared of drafting is Sonsie... not sure exactly what it is but I'm not on board
 

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Chad Warner has a Stephens vibe, but perhaps a bit more oompf, if that make sense.
 

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Cat's out of the bag now :oops:. My secret drafting rationale has been outed. Erasmus is the other Dec. that stands out - he could be another Heeney

What would Wilmot's draft range be if he was 1 day older...? hint, it's probably a single figure number. I also think we should be preparing for a gap at Lloyd's position, and Rampe's leadership in a few years time, Wilmot covers both.
I know I'm a broken record but Wilmot or Chesser at our first would be rock solid gold. The one I'm scared of drafting is Sonsie... not sure exactly what it is but I'm not on board
Not sure if you thought I was having a go at you, but certainly wasn't the case.
It's just that where most people have been uncertain about who they want, you've been on the Wilmot bandwagon from the get go.

I'd still prefer Taylor, but Wilmot or Chesser would be fine. The latter two are, at this point of time, essentially flankers, whereas Taylor is a skilled midfielder who was getting better as the season wore on (until Covid intervened).

As for Erasmus, would love to get him, but obviously will be long gone.
One guy I wish there was more vision of is Finn Callaghan. Clearly not in our range, but that 90 sec clip that the AFL has put up, IMO, shows nothing to suggest to me he is pick 2 of the 'open players'. The view seems virtually unanimous that he is, I wish there was visual evidence to help convince me.
There are a few clips of Erasmus and good overhead, dual sided, inside/outside/fwd, a guy who comes from a cricket background, didn't play at the U16s, so late developer with that December birthday. Only slight knocks appear to be minor questions on his kicking consistency/speed.
 
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Where players play in the U18's doesn't mean anything.

You're drafted for your abilities and then adapted to whatever the team needs.

Ruckmen are pretty much the only exception, and that's because the ruck is an archaic position.
 

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Not sure if you thought I was having a go at you, but certainly wasn't the case.
It's just that where most people have been uncertain about who they want, you've been on the Wilmot bandwagon from the get go.

I'd still prefer Taylor, but Wilmot or Chesser would be fine. The latter two are, at this point of time, essentially flankers, whereas Taylor is a skilled midfielder who was getting better as the season wore on (until Covid intervened).

As for Erasmus, would love to get him, but obviously will be long gone.
One guy I wish there was more vision of is Finn Callaghan. Clearly not in our range, but that 90 sec clip that the AFL has put up, IMO, shows nothing to suggest to me he is pick 2 of the 'open players'. The view seems virtually unanimous that he is, I wish there was visual evidence to help convince me.
There are a few clips of Erasmus and good overhead, dual sided, inside/outside/fwd, a guy who comes from a cricket background, didn't play at the U16s, so late developer with that December birthday. Only slight knocks appear to be minor questions on his kicking consistency/speed.
Just glad you noticed! Fact - Wilmot is 350+ days younger than Sinn, Daicos and Knevitt... that has to mean something in development potential.
Erasmus will be long gone.. sadly
I thought the same with Callaghan, there were a few changes of direction that looked custom made for rib cage damage from a supporting defender and not much else. I did see he held this years schools record for the 100 and 400, so thats definately something... 100m in well under 12 seconds is flying. I presume he can kick a ball too...?
 

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It is a cliche but "the best defence is a good offence" as well since actually having the ball prevents your opponent from having it.
Except that Melbourne rated 1st in WTB metrics (without the ball), and that the main source of scoring over the last half a decade has been turnovers, which is directly linked to pressure without the ball.

Of course, keeping the ball is ideal, but it's not something you can regularly build a gameplan around.
 
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