List Mgmt. 2021 Draft picks: 4/33/75

[Deaneus!]

thanks to Lore as always

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[WaynesWorld19]

Well now he didn’t draw a line through Dumont though did he?

Aware he’s out of contract and will have further talks during trade week. I think apparently that’s what he said. Or have I got that wrong?

Gawd that would cause an explosion here ha ha

IMO being diplomatic

 

[Mutineer]

Reids initial reaction to where Dawson will be played was Centre/ Fwd .....he later qualified that, but I'd say his initial reaction was probably closer to the mark

What he said about what the Crows are looking for in the Draft was, Speed and Power .....didn't specifically say fwd of the ball

Doesn't sound like Matt Roberts is in our plans if he's being up front with the media and there's not really that many mids in this draft with what you would class as top end speed. I reckon there's only probably handful with top end speed and power. Didn't mention "elite" foot skills too did he because that will lessen that number again?

 

[Crowfoot]

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[Danger in Texas]

Doesn't sound like Matt Roberts is in our plans if he's being up front with the media and there's not really that many mids in this draft with what you would class as top end speed. I reckon there's only probably handful with top end speed and power. Didn't mention "elite" foot skills too did he because that will lessen that number again?

Fair if Roberts is not in our specific plans. I'd be shocked if he wasn't in the plans of some teams in the top 20 though, given his decently well-rounded skillset (overhead, balanced midfield ability, tendency to push forward etc)

I know Roberts gets a bad rap on this board, I'd personally believe that if Roberts goes outside the first round, it's a steal for whoever takes him. IMO he has a very well rounded game for that draft position, even considering his relative weakness in athleticism

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I know Roberts gets a bad rap on this board, I'd personally believe that if Roberts goes outside the first round, it's a steal for whoever takes him. IMO he has a very well rounded game for that draft position, even considering his relative weakness in athleticism

Quite the opposite actually ....was raved about early, and was talked about as a potential pick at #4

But as the scrutiny on players increased, more emphasis was placed on his deficiencies, than his strengths ......2nd round pick is appropriate IMO

 

[Danger in Texas]

Reids initial reaction to where Dawson will be played was Centre/ Fwd .....he later qualified that, but I'd say his initial reaction was probably closer to the mark

What he said about what the Crows are looking for in the Draft was, Speed and Power .....didn't specifically say fwd of the ball

No, he said specifically 'forward of the ball'

That doesn't mean we aren't targeting midfielders, though - to me, that means we're targeting potential midfielders that have an attacking nature, i.e. a more polished Keays, for example

Guys like Erasmus, Goater, maybe even Rachele to an extent fit that bill

 

[Danger in Texas]

Quite the opposite actually ....was raved about early, and was talked about as a potential pick at #4

But as the scrutiny on players increased, more emphasis was placed on his deficiencies, than his strengths ......2nd round pick is appropriate IMO

Who gives Roberts an overly good (i.e. 'pick 4') rap *right now* on this board? It's not the opposite

I feel like a bit of Cyril Rioli syndrome is setting in re: Roberts - we're focusing in on his lack of athleticism too much, to the extent that we're disregarding his well-rounded skill-set around the rest of the ground. That is, he was so overrated that he's now underrated

He might still go 2nd round, but IMO he's still going to be an absolute steal for whoever takes him there

 

[Mutineer]

No, he said specifically 'forward of the ball'

That doesn't mean we aren't targeting midfielders, though - to me, that means we're targeting potential midfielders that have an attacking nature, i.e. a more polished Keays, for example

Guys like Erasmus, Goater, maybe even Rachele to an extent fit that bill.

James Willis and Ned Long with a later pick might be options also.

Hamish does like him a Calder Cannon lad history shows. Josh Goater and Zac Taylor would be nice additions.

 

[Danger in Texas]

James Willis and Ned Long with a later pick might be options also.

Hamish does like him a Calder Cannon lad history shows. Josh Goater and Zac Taylor would be nice additions.

If we somehow keep 23 (extremely unlikely), Zac Taylor would be one of my first options with that pick. Him or Sam Butler (if Murley doesn't fall to 37/Kelly compo, I'd happily take Judson Clarke there, too)

You should already know I rate Goater highly

 

[Vader]

It's three out and three in as the minimum, clubs can forgo the draft entirely if they wish if they can satisfy that elsewhere.

Or if they want to upgrade rookie picks.

Rookie upgrades count towards the 3. Trades and Free agency signings do not.

It's a minimum 3x National Draft selections, less any rookie upgrades.

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[DaKids]

Quite the opposite actually ....was raved about early, and was talked about as a potential pick at #4

But as the scrutiny on players increased, more emphasis was placed on his deficiencies, than his strengths ......2nd round pick is appropriate IMO

Nah - he just gets a bad wrap. Nothing more scientific to it than that.

As a pretty clear example in the 1st State game he was the highest ranked player on the ground statistically speaking. Now that’s not everything of course - but anyone who saw the game will know he took control of that game in the 2nd quarter and dragged us back into it.

Afterwards- crickets from the draft watchers. No acknowledgement of the prelim final he played as a graveyard half forward either. 10 touches 6 tackles and 2.1. You betcha he gets a bad wrap.

 

[StonesThrow]

Where have people seen Goater play and how many times?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Where have people seen Goater play and how many times?

Was one of the best players in this match .....not too many match's to watch, like most Vic players this year

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[Dewy006]

Rookie upgrades count towards the 3. Trades and Free agency signings do not.

It's a minimum 3x National Draft selections, less any rookie upgrades.

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So at this point, barring trading in any picks and we give Sydney 23 for Dawson, would the most likely scenario be we use 4 and 37 and upgrade Butts? How many list positions do we have available at this stage?

 

[The Rocks]

Quite the opposite actually ....was raved about early, and was talked about as a potential pick at #4

But as the scrutiny on players increased, more emphasis was placed on his deficiencies, than his strengths ......2nd round pick is appropriate IMO

I'd really like to get Roberts. Is why I'm ok with swapping #4 for #12 which will be #14 for Dawson. Then we can get Roberts and keep #23. If we trade #23 for Dawson, how in the world would we get Roberts?

Hope Kelly and Talia get us some picks we could group together for maybe GCs #19?

Yeah Roberts is a nice player. Played well for South last week in a big final too!

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[Vader]

So at this point, barring trading in any picks and we give Sydney 23 for Dawson, would the most likely scenario be we use 4 and 37 and upgrade Butts? How many list positions do we have available at this stage?

We currently have 4 senior list vacancies - Stengle, Talia, Lynch, and Kelly. Dawson would fill one of those vacancies. We also have O'Connor & Davis (R) as uncontracted players, should we need to create additional vacancies.

Note that it's not only Butts who could be upgraded, Strachan has also done 3 years on the rookie list. Both are equally in need of upgrading, though we can leave them on the rookie list for 1 more year if necessary.

** Assuming we continue with the 36/6 list structure - we could also switch to 37/5 or 38/4 if required.

 

[Mutineer]

Where have people seen Goater play and how many times?

I've seen most of his Calder Cannons games and one of his VFL games for the Bombers and the Challenge game so I'm fairly well acquainted with his game. He's exactly the type we need speed, power and athleticism off the charts with the ability to play almost anymore on the field

 

[BRL121]

I've seen most of his Calder Cannons games and one of his VFL games for the Bombers and the Challenge game so I'm fairly well acquainted with his game. He's exactly the type we need speed, power and athleticism off the charts with the ability to play almost anymore on the field

I don't like the bun.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I don't like the bun.

You prefer pigtails ?

 

[Mutineer]

Was one of the best players in this match .....not too many match's to watch, like most Vic players this year

U19 Challenge Match: Vic Metro v Vic Country

Watch the full match of the clash between Vic Metro and Vic Country ahead of the NAB AFL Under-19 Championships

www.afl.com.au

Unless you availed yourself of the NAB League streams or attended local matches that is, unfortunately since the AFL took over the running of the NAB League they've gone from Youtube live matches that were archived to live streams via the app and replays are no longer archived. Obviously they must be available to the recruiters somewhere but access for the public now is ratshit.

 

[Mutineer]

I don't like the bun.

Looks alright on Nat Fyfe who this lad has a lot of similar on field traits with as well as a similar physique to work on in an AFL gym..

 

[George CantStandYa]

**** they are idiots on Trade Radio, Goddard reckons Richmond will play hard ball on CCJ. North have pick 1 in the PSD for **** sake.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Unless you availed yourself of the NAB League streams or attended local matches that is, unfortunately since the AFL took over the running of the NAB League they've gone from Youtube live matches that were archived to live streams via the app and replays are no longer archived. Obviously they must be available to the recruiters somewhere but access for the public now is ratshit.

I still stick by the theory, you only need to see one game to recognise a good player

Reason recruiters see so many games is because they're ranking 60+ players .....so little POD's become importnat in ranking

Did peoples opinions of JHF's speed and attacking abilities change after that one Prelim Final by South .....you bet it did

 

[Crowfoot]

Same old same old...

 

[SuperBashBros]

If Goaters our guy and we are confident he might slide to 7 which a lot of the phantom drafts indicate he would, then Id be on the phone to Richmond on the daily to get their 2 firsts.