List Mgmt. 2021 Draft picks: 4/33/75

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thanks to Lore as always

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[ams4crows]

Zero Hanger edited their story.

People here jumping the gun over compo for Jake Kelly...... Ive seen it all

Sorry I got fired up, didn't realise the hanger wasn't an official publication

 

[Crow till I die]

Zero Hanger edited their story.

People here jumping the gun over compo for Jake Kelly...... Ive seen it all

Its more that if we did miss a compo pick for him, we would have got zero extra draft capital from Lynch, Talia and Kelly. I have a feeling the kelly compo if we get it is band 4 or 5 - hoping band 4 as then the pick 23 and the Melbourne 2nd might be the deal to get Dawson and we will still have a second pick around 40 to go to the draft with

 

[Runnin Blue]

Zero Hanger writer reads Big Footy, confirmed.

 

[hey shorty]

Its more that if we did miss a compo pick for him, we would have got zero extra draft capital from Lynch, Talia and Kelly. I have a feeling the kelly compo if we get it is band 4 or 5 - hoping band 4 as then the pick 23 and the Melbourne 2nd might be the deal to get Dawson and we will still have a second pick around 40 to go to the draft with

It means very little in the scheme of things, Kelly going creates a list spot which is the important bit

 

[Mismatched]

It means very little in the scheme of things, Kelly going creates a list spot which is the important bit

Not only that, opens up a spot in the 22 for a developing player.

You’d hope he would at least attract band 5 compo, 26yo regular in our best 22.

 

[Crow till I die]

It means very little in the scheme of things, Kelly going creates a list spot which is the important bit

Agree re the list spot - but the pick around 40 allows us to offer a secon pick this year with pick 23 for Dawson if we had to and still go to the draft in that range (maybe a Cooper Murley is still on the board?)

 

[Scorpus]

Pick 42 for Jake Kelly

29

Jake Kelly

Age

30

Ht

190cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.5

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.6

4star

MG

157.8

2star

D

8.1

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

104.1

2star

D

14.8

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

6.0

5star

T

4.2

5star

MG

107.0

2star

is very handy

If we are trying to get 17 (1025 points) off the Bulldogs for points, 42 is an extra 400 points we can contribute

23 and 42 for example would be nearly +200 points to the Dogs

 

[Mutineer]

Agree re the list spot - but the pick around 40 allows us to offer a secon pick this year with pick 23 for Dawson if we had to and still go to the draft in that range (maybe a Cooper Murley is still on the board?)

23 and 42 combined is equivalent to pick 13 points wise if Sydney won't come at that they can GAGF. That's absolute premium for an uncontracted player that's been in the AFL system for 6 years and had only 1 season where he's really been noticed.

 

[Crow till I die]

23 and 42 combined is equivalent to pick 13 points wise if Sydney won't come at that they can GAGF. That's absolute premium for an uncontracted player that's been in the AFL system for 6 years and had only 1 season where he's really been noticed.

Oh I absolutely agree. Getting that pick for Kelly means that we go to the draft with pick 4 and either the melbourne 2nd or the kelly pick which is only a few spots different. It will be interesting now to see what we do with pick 4 - hold or trade (but only after Sydney have taken our offer)

 

[Danger in Texas]

Oh I absolutely agree. Getting that pick for Kelly means that we go to the draft with pick 4 and either the melbourne 2nd or the kelly pick which is only a few spots different. It will be interesting now to see what we do with pick 4 - hold or trade (but only after Sydney have taken our offer)

If we go to the draft with those two picks, what else are we taking? We have to take three selections

I'd much prefer to give up the 2022 3rd and keep 4/37/42, instead of having to use 59 (or whatever it ends up as)

 

[aabp1978]

Really not sure how the points system works, but anyway we could package up our later picks 37 onwards for the bulldogs pick 17 if they desperately need points to match any bid on Darcy?

 

[Crow till I die]

If we go to the draft with those two picks, what else are we taking? We have to take three selections

I'd much prefer to give up the 2022 3rd and keep 4/37/42, instead of having to use 59 (or whatever it ends up as)

There is a fair bit of talk that less than 60 picks will be used at this draft, so our final pick would be at the back end we have 61 which after picks get eaten up on bids might be a mid 50's pick? Anyway, picks 4, 37 and a late 50's pick is fine - there will be late value in this draft I have no doubt

 

[morris086]

Really not sure how the points system works, but anyway we could package up our later picks 37 onwards for the bulldogs pick 17 if they desperately need points to match any bid on Darcy?

Sure can, we won't be the only club offering them a deal though.

 

[hugecannon]

Is there any other teams besides Collingwood and WB that have F/S or NGA players available?

How much further back are these picks likely to be pushed, or who else can we target to try and upgrade our picks?

 

[Danger in Texas]

There is a fair bit of talk that less than 60 picks will be used at this draft, so our final pick would be at the back end we have 61 which after picks get eaten up on bids might be a mid 50's pick? Anyway, picks 4, 37 and a late 50's pick is fine - there will be late value in this draft I have no doubt

I'd probably be more comfortable using the two higher picks this year, giving up the 2022 3rd (if need be), waiting out the next season to see if anyone wants out this time next year (someone probably will) and re-filling that pick slot then. But fair enough, each to their own

 

[Vhaluus]

Trade Radio ....Lloyd saying a lot of the Draft kids this year may have only played 7 games in 2 years, with some having to play school footy

So some clubs will rate a player at #20 ....other clubs rating him at #55

kane saying Adelaide giving up #23 for Dawson isn't such a bad thing then, given the lottery of 20's picks this year .....problem with that is, you give up #23, you still have to Draft 3 players .....so the lottery with later picks is worse than #23 IMO

Maybe we do use those 2nd & 3rd Draft picks on Sth Aust & WA players ....who have more exposed form

By that same flawed logic Sydney shouldn't care if we give them a pick in the thirties rather than the twenties. Who cares? It's a lottery right.

Utterly flawed logic.

 

[Vhaluus]

Pick 42 for Jake Kelly is very handy

If we are trying to get 17 (1025 points) off the Bulldogs for points, 42 is an extra 400 points we can contribute

23 and 42 for example would be nearly +200 points to the Dogs

God I hate the points system. It vastly undervalued early picks and overvalued late picks which is why it is so consistently exploited.

 

[Crow till I die]

I'd probably be more comfortable using the two higher picks this year, giving up the 2022 3rd (if need be), waiting out the next season to see if anyone wants out this time next year (someone probably will) and re-filling that pick slot then. But fair enough, each to their own

for sure - we are on the same page just different font so to speak

Getting a top end mid, Dawson and a craft forward with the back of 2nd round pick will be key then lets hope for a late special and maybe an inspired rookie pick. If we can get this pretty much right, what a huge bonus for the team heading into next year that will be imo

 

[Crowked]

I’m thinking 37 is enough for Dawson. They won’t like it but Sydney can take it or leave it. He will get to us via PSD. No one wants to burn a list spot on a player who doesn’t want to be there. We can front load to make sure too. **** them I say!

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

If we go to the draft with those two picks, what else are we taking? We have to take three selections

I'd much prefer to give up the 2022 3rd and keep 4/37/42, instead of having to use 59 (or whatever it ends up as)

Are we expected to take one of Dudley/O'loughlin? I would like to keep one of 37 and 42, but probably don't need bot.h

 

[Crows I Am]

I’m thinking 37 is enough for Dawson. They won’t like it but Sydney can take it or leave it. He will get to us via PSD. No one wants to burn a list spot on a player who doesn’t want to be there. We can front load to make sure too. fu** them I say!

37 is nowhere near enough for Dawson. They would definitely leave it if that was our final offer. 23 will have to be part of the deal if we want to avoid the PSD.

 

[Vhaluus]

37 is nowhere near enough for Dawson. They would definitely leave it if that was our final offer. 23 will have to be part of the deal if we want to avoid the PSD.

Why do we want to avoid PSD?

 

[Mutineer]

Is there any other teams besides Collingwood and WB that have F/S or NGA players available?

How much further back are these picks likely to be pushed, or who else can we target to try and upgrade our picks?

Saints have a couple of very decent NGA's Mitchito Owens and Marcus Windhager, both will get drafted without a doubt.

 

[Crowked]

37 is nowhere near enough for Dawson. They would definitely leave it if that was our final offer. 23 will have to be part of the deal if we want to avoid the PSD.

It’s Sydney that need to avoid the PSD, not us. They get nothing and we still get Dawson.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Are we expected to take one of Dudley/O'loughlin? I would like to keep one of 37 and 42, but probably don't need bot.h

I personally wouldn't take either in the ND, but who knows what the club would think in that regard