List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

[Lore]

 

[G String]

I reckon he’s a Taylor Adams clone who we are screaming out for and always Murders us when we play collingwood.
The more I think about us getting Hobbs the more excited I am. He or Ward are who I want as they fill our highest need of a young potential A grade genuine mid (Bolton is a hybrid forward/mid). Think Callahan is no chance of getting through to us even if we move up as I don’t see us getting pick 2 off GWS who will definitely take him imo

I think you're right - I think he fills our need. Hes the sort of player you cant judge on his highlight reel. His lack of highlight reel seems to be the reason most knockers knock

 

[ForeverHardcore]

I think you're right - I think he fills our need. Hes the sort of player you cant judge on his highlight reel. His lack of highlight reel seems to be the reason most knockers knock

Doubt wines/Tommy Mitchell Will have a highlights reel like Bont/Dusty but they’ve won brownlows. It’s all relevant. You need a mix of foot-soldiers and stars, Hobbs being an A grade grunt type is perfect for us moving forward competing against Melbourne and the Dogs! I agree with you, numbers look amazing and because of a lack of flare others are riding him off as a boring pick. There will be types to take a punt on at 15/17 so Hobbs would be perfect at 7(9) if he gets there. If we get up to 2/3/4 and Ward/Callahan come into calculations then we can get More excited then. But until that happens I’m on the Hobbs train

 

[Tortured Tiger]

Doubt wines/Tommy Mitchell Will have a highlights reel like Bont/Dusty but they’ve won brownlows. It’s all relevant. You need a mix of foot-soldiers and stars, Hobbs being an A grade grunt type is perfect for us moving forward competing against Melbourne and the Dogs! I agree with you, numbers look amazing and because of a lack of flare others are riding him off as a boring pick. There will be types to take a punt on at 15/17 so Hobbs would be perfect at 7(9) if he gets there. If we get up to 2/3/4 and Ward/Callahan come into calculations then we can get More excited then. But until that happens I’m on the Hobbs train

I have nothing against Hobbs and I will back him all the way if we pick him but is he that much different to Ross and Martyn ?. If Ward is there I would still prefer him from what I have seen.

 

[ForeverHardcore]

I have nothing against Hobbs and I will back him all the way if we pick him but is he that much different to Ross and Martyn ?. If Ward is there I would still prefer him from what I have seen.

It’s a great and fair question
From the 1 full game I watched of vic country vs vic metro Hobbs just looks like a ball magnet. I don’t think either of Martyn or Ross have that naturally. Ross had a great few games early in his first year playing on the ball then hasn’t been near that level since. Hobbs is a level above both and would fit in with Dusty shorty and dion As those guys you lock in for 25+
Ross is a 14-20 type and martyn is an unknown even though the signs were good against Hawthorn before he faded!
Hobbs is a Taylor Adams’s type, Ward is a Zac Merrett type. I don’t think we could go wrong with either. Callahan has Bont traits but I doubt we can get him as he’s the dream

 

[richoatthedisco]

The Metro-Country game Daicos, Ward and Goater were the best three mids on the ground. As above, my concern with Hobbs is he's too similar to Ross and Martyn. The best contested mids like Dusty, Cotch, Dion, Oliver, Petracca, even Wines, have explosiveness from the contest. They don't just shovel it out, they go in and get it and emerge the other side having created time and space. I haven't seen that with Hobbs.

 

[Damo80]

The best contested mids like Dusty, Cotch, Dion, Oliver, Petracca, even Wines, have explosiveness from the contest. They don't just shovel it out, they go in and get it and emerge the other side having created time and space. I haven't seen that with Hobbs.

If you're expecting someone of the ilk of those you've mentioned, you're likely to be disappointed. Unlikely to get one of them trading up to pick 3, let alone with pick 7.


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[richoatthedisco]

If you're expecting someone of the ilk of those you've mentioned, you're likely to be disappointed. Unlikely to get one of them trading up to pick 3, let alone with pick 7.


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So get someone who offers something else.

 

[ForeverHardcore]

The Metro-Country game Daicos, Ward and Goater were the best three mids on the ground. As above, my concern with Hobbs is he's too similar to Ross and Martyn. The best contested mids like Dusty, Cotch, Dion, Oliver, Petracca, even Wines, have explosiveness from the contest. They don't just shovel it out, they go in and get it and emerge the other side having created time and space. I haven't seen that with Hobbs.

Yeah fair call Daicos was insane that day and Ward was fantastic too. Don’t think Hobbs was bad though by any stretch with 25 and 11 tackles in a smashing. As I’ve stated above until we get a higher pick Ward is out of range so there is no use getting twisted about that, Hobbs every change to be there at our pick and there’s probably no one in this draft bar JHF or Daicos that will end up in that elite range of players you’re talking about. So we’ll see what happens

 

[richoatthedisco]

Yeah fair call Daicos was insane that day and Ward was fantastic too. Don’t think Hobbs was bad though by any stretch with 25 and 11 tackles in a smashing. As I’ve stated above until we get a higher pick Ward is out of range so there is no use getting twisted about that, Hobbs every change to be there at our pick and there’s probably no one in this draft bar JHF or Daicos that will end up in that elite range of players you’re talking about. So we’ll see what happens

As you say, his team got smashed. Metro walked it out of the middle all day.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

The Metro-Country game Daicos, Ward and Goater were the best three mids on the ground. As above, my concern with Hobbs is he's too similar to Ross and Martyn. The best contested mids like Dusty, Cotch, Dion, Oliver, Petracca, even Wines, have explosiveness from the contest. They don't just shovel it out, they go in and get it and emerge the other side having created time and space. I haven't seen that with Hobbs.

Very well said and this is my biggest concern with Hobbs , He doesnt run out of a contest but more just give it off
very few players with below average leg speed become A graders . Some like Cripps / Steele / JK can get away with this due to size but at 183cm it gets harder.

Will hold off until i see his combine results

 

[blaisee]

Very well said and this is my biggest concern with Hobbs , He doesnt run out of a contest but more just give it off
very few players with below average leg speed become A graders . Some like Cripps / Steele / JK can get away with this due to size but at 183cm it gets harder.

Will hold off until i see his combine results

Steel Sidebottom is one that had a terrible 20m time, 3.2+ I believe

Difference with him was he had elite endurance and elite kicking skills ( still does ) I don't think Hobbs has either

Hopefully Hobbs has grown 2 inches

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Steel Sidebottom is one that had a terrible 20m time, 3.2+ I believe

Difference with him was he had elite endurance and elite kicking skills ( still does ) I don't think Hobbs has either

Hopefully Hobbs has grown 2 inches

Sidebottom was a freak as a junior and kicked 10 goals in a final if i remember correctly

 

[blaisee]

Sidebottom was a freak as a junior and kicked 10 goals in a final if i remember correctly

It was the grand final. And he went Pick 11 from memory

Kids that are slow always drop down the pecking order.

Hobbs could be there at Pick 15

 

[Bird Man]

Wouldnt be disappointed if we got Mac Andrew.

If there is any club that understands culture and seeing out the potential of a player its Richmond.

A year in the VFL un interrupted pre season and full season in the VFL to build his strength. Jack retires (maybe) and he comes into the forward line.

 

[Bird Man]

Very well said and this is my biggest concern with Hobbs , He doesnt run out of a contest but more just give it off
very few players with below average leg speed become A graders . Some like Cripps / Steele / JK can get away with this due to size but at 183cm it gets harder.

Will hold off until i see his combine results

You can train for endurance and increase speed.

also like i said before you dont know his real speed untill the combine results. He could be slow out the gate due to playing style of the coach and structure. there is a bunch of factors to consider

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Wouldnt be disappointed if we got Mac Andrew.

If there is any club that understands culture and seeing out the potential of a player its Richmond.

A year in the VFL un interrupted pre season and full season in the VFL to build his strength. Jack retires (maybe) and he comes into the forward line.

Big risk imo

Will take 4 years before he is anywhere near AFL ready
Considering you invest a pick #7 and wait 4 years to se if he fills the potential then in 3 years they are free agents

 

[Bird Man]

Goulburn Valley draft hopefuls Josh Rachele and Tom Brown were given the opportunity to showcase their athletic prowess in front of recruiters on Friday, testing at the Victoria Country AFL draft combine in Bendigo.

Making up a contingent of 23 players invited from regional Victoria, the pair was put through its paces in a series of tests ranging from endurance running to vertical jumping.

Brown was one of the standout performers, winning the standing vertical jump with a height of 71cm and finishing second in the 20m sprint with a time of 2.983.

Murray Bushrangers regional talent operations lead Mick Wilson said it was fantastic to see the duo be given the chance to put its best foot forward in front of recruiters.

“It is reward for effort, those boys have done it pretty hard over the past couple of years with the lockdowns,” Wilson said.

“Tom has just worked really hard and developed enormously over the last couple of years since he first came into the team and his testing was really strong at the combine which is a testament to that work.

“Josh was around 6:30 for the 2km time trial and performed really strongly in the vertical jump which was great, there wasn’t a chance to show off his agility which is a major strength, but I still think the recruiters will be very happy with what he put up.”

With the national draft fast approaching Wilson gave some insight into where he sees the two boys landing.

“From the interest that has come from AFL clubs and having had interviews with every club in the league that tends to float towards Josh potentially going in the top 10,” he said.

“With Tom we don’t expect him to fall much below the high 20s, so there is a lot of interest there for him as well.”
The Murray Bushrangers were also excited to see two of their products in Rachele and Aurora Smith be named in the NAB League Team of the Year announced last week.

Smith, who was recently selected by the Western Bulldogs with pick 25 in the AFLW draft, enjoyed an excellent season at NAB League level and takes her place on the wing.

While Rachele was a live-wire for the Bushrangers kicking 11 goals in four matches and averaging 7.5 score involvements a game to be named in the forward pocket.

Wilson said the entire program was incredibly proud to see the pair recognised.

“It is fantastic for both kids considering the past two years have been heavily impacted by COVID, normally players in their age group would have had exposure of up to 20 or more NAB League games, but unfortunately due to the restrictions they have only managed to play a handful of games,” he said.

“When you think about it, there are 13 NAB League teams with 40-50 players on their list, so to be recognised in this regard is a fantastic effort and is a reflection of the impact they have had with very limited opportunities.”

He praised their willingness to work hard and is excited to see what they can produce at the elite level.
“The skill set for both Josh and Aurora has been based on their ability to work really hard in games,” he said.

“Aurora is an elite runner and covers the ground as well as anyone we have seen come through our female football program and her decision making and competitiveness is also at an elite level, so we believe she will do really well in the AFLW.

“Josh is a real competitor, hates losing one-on-one contests, gets really disappointed when the team loses and has that really intrinsic drive to do as well as he can for the team, so we are all excit

 

[Del65166]

Wouldnt be disappointed if we got Mac Andrew.

If there is any club that understands culture and seeing out the potential of a player its Richmond.

A year in the VFL un interrupted pre season and full season in the VFL to build his strength. Jack retires (maybe) and he comes into the forward line.

Jack retires and we have 2 200cm talls as our KPFs. That's a negative for moi. Rather for a go shorter player. Especially when Nank is 200 as well.

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Big risk imo

Will take 4 years before he is anywhere near AFL ready
Considering you invest a pick #7 and wait 4 years to se if he fills the potential then in 3 years they are free agents

Yet there are people here saying GWS might take him with their 1st. Many rankings have him top 10. Will be an interesting one where he falls. Could be a slider though.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

2.97 for the 20m is decent, but pretty average compared to the best performer of previous years.
Not sure if that's due to the outdoor testing, or just a reflection of the talent pool

2.97 is generally good for top 10 at most recent combines. Weirdly the times have been slower over the last 5 years compared to the five years before that, which to me suggest possibly more accurate equipment as while the odd year is going to have an athlete who is a cut above the rest mosts years you should be able to find 5 or so in group of 100 who have virtually identical 20m sprint speed times as previous years.

“Doesn’t have this, doesn’t have that” I wouldn’t say this years Brownlow medallist has much speed, and isn’t overly athletic. But he’s a bull at the contest, and thats what Hobbs is

This years Brownlow medalist is the biggest midfielder in the competition, an absolute unit who somehow gets away playing at 98kgs. Need to be more than just hard at the ball.

He’s a kid.
He could grow a couple of cms and he most definately will put on size.

He is man compared to most in his draft. Not sure there is much more room for growth without sacrificing running capacity and players rarely grow once they're in the system as much as fans hope they will, hell all our guys seem to shrink (looking at you RCD). His main selling point as far as Im concerned is his readiness for AFL football.

 

[Morro]

2.97 is generally good for top 10 at most recent combines. Weirdly the times have been slower over the last 5 years compared to the five years before that, which to me suggest possibly more accurate equipment as while the odd year is going to have an athlete who is a cut above the rest mosts years you should be able to find 5 or so in group of 100 who have virtually identical 20m sprint speed times as previous years.



This years Brownlow medalist is the biggest midfielder in the competition, an absolute unit who somehow gets away playing at 98kgs. Need to be more than just hard at the ball.



He is man compared to most in his draft. Not sure there is much more room for growth without sacrificing running capacity and players rarely grow once they're in the system as much as fans hope they will, hell all our guys seem to shrink (looking at you RCD). His main selling point as far as Im concerned is his readiness for AFL football.

Hahha the part about our blokes shrinking is very hard to argue haha

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Wondering if anyone has seen enough of Biggie and perhaps seen Andrew highlights to make a comparison. Similarities/Differences?

 

[Morro]

Wondering if anyone has seen enough of Biggie and perhaps seen Andrew highlights to make a comparison. Similarities/Differences?

Nah sorry bro

sorry ay

 

[Lsta062]

What are Goater’s knocks? From all what people have been saying, it really sounds like this guy has the potential to end up a top 5 midfielder of this draft. What makes him a 10-20 prospect to many analysers?

 

[Damo80]

Wondering if anyone has seen enough of Biggie and perhaps seen Andrew highlights to make a comparison. Similarities/Differences?

They're both people of colour. Is that what you mean...?

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