List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

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[BAFLD]

I’ve said this once and I’ll say it a thousand times…. our KPF’s are the least of our worries. They kicks mid-80 goals with Lynch missing 5 games. It’s our smalls and mediums that are the issue …. we need goals from Dusty, Bolton, Caddy, Baker, Stack, Castagna, Aarts ….

If Josh Rachelle is available at 7 do you think we take him given he could
play either forward or midfield? He could develop into either. I like his versatility

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[BAFLD]

My opinion only and feel free to disagree but I see us going interstate with our first pick if we stay at 7(9)

i like either of Erasmus or Johnson with our first pick

 

[Grrr]

I’ve said this once and I’ll say it a thousand times…. our KPF’s are the least of our worries. They kicks mid-80 goals with Lynch missing 5 games. It’s our smalls and mediums that are the issue …. we need goals from Dusty, Bolton, Caddy, Baker, Stack, Castagna, Aarts ….


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The reason why our forward line did not function in the main was that we could not move the ball from the back half to the forward half with any consistency. We had nobody who could take a mark on the wing and move the ball on. CCJ did it one week, took from memory 4 good strong contested marks from the outlet kick. Jack could not do it and Lynch seemed to be planted in the forward 30m most of the season. The only times our forwards functioned well was when Lynch got out past the 50m line and competed. How many games did we go into 3/4 times with a handful of goals.

Jack couldn't do it where once he could because he was 32 and not the young spring heeled player he was. We need a CHF that can compete in the air as teams fold into the back half of the ground with this new standing rule. Jack was constantly out bodies/marked by the second man up. Balta, Miller, whoever, but we need some more aerial presence. Melbourne had it with Brown and Jackson and McDonald, Fitsch just finished off their work, much like Jack would if he had someone else doing the heavy lifting further up the ground. Sure our smalls were average, but without the ball coming in quickly, most smalls are, talented or not.

 

[Grrr]

Time will tell if Miller is ready or even good enough, However, going forward we’ll need 2 big talls down back and Balta is the best option. Crazy to move him. His best form was in defence and weakening our defence is not the solution to any forward problems we may encounter.

Crazy? He could be a star at CHF for all we know. Tarrant will take the big quality talls and will improve the backline. Between Broad, Grimes and Vlastuin, there is good aerial coverage. Bring Miller in for the extra height if needed or against tall forward lines. The backline is the least of our problems. Our forward line was awful last year, to go into a new season with the same forward line an extra year older without some new plan would be astonishing to me. Jack or Lynch goes down we have nobody, and at 33 you can't leave it any more to Jack.

 

[OneEyedRichmond]

My opinion only and feel free to disagree but I see us going interstate with our first pick if we stay at 7(9)

i like either of Erasmus or Johnson with our first pick

Johnson over Erasmus any day of the week.
I’m not a fan of Hobbs either.

At pick15(17) in order of preference Sinn, Goater, Sonsie, Roberts.

picks in 20s… above if available plus McDonald, Taylor

 

[bc27]

Johnson over Erasmus any day of the week.
I’m not a fan of Hobbs either.

At pick15(17) in order of preference Sinn, Goater, Sonsie, Roberts.

picks in 20s… above if available plus McDonald, Taylor

Sonsie will likely be taken before 15 port Adelaide apparently pretty keen at 12.

 

[YeOldTiger]

We won't be playing Jack at the number 1 option, he'll be second fiddle to a fit and healthy Lynch and if opposition coaches are thinking like some here, they might not even bother to put an opponent on him given Jack is all but finished as a footballer apparently.

Yep, he mite only kick 60 goals in 2022. Rubbish.

 

[YeOldTiger]

Moving Balta forward is a joke.

 

[Bojangles17]

Moving Balta forward is a joke.

Only circumstances I’d consider that is if we bought in shlong , apart from that I’d say we need him back

 

[Grrr]

Moving Balta forward is a joke.

Well how do you expect to improve our forward line next year? We have lost our only two maybe talls in Chol and CCJ, so given our forward line was pretty bad last year, we have to do something pro-active. Balta has the talent to take a game apart, not sure he can do it but I'd like to see if he can. He will make a good backman no doubt.

At the very least I would like to see Miller tried there, Balta can stay put if that works.

 

[BAFLD]

Johnson over Erasmus any day of the week.
I’m not a fan of Hobbs either.

At pick15(17) in order of preference Sinn, Goater, Sonsie, Roberts.

picks in 20s… above if available plus McDonald, Taylor

I have Hobbs getting to our next pick. 15(17) I think we would take him there do you?

 

[Damo80]

Shown absolutely nothing.

Clearly we rate what we've seen from RCD very differently. And to a lesser extent, the ability and likelihood of a mid first round draftee being physically ready to contribute in a meaningful way from year 1 off the back of 2 years of interrupted football.

I am surprised by anyone saying they haven't seen anything in RCD. In the games he was given the chance to play in his best position (inside), to me I see a lot of Josh Kennedy (Sydney variety), but with a burst of pace and some extra height. Doing it consistently is his issue. But I've definitely seen that he can do it.


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[OneEyedRichmond]

I have Hobbs getting to our next pick. 15(17) I think we would take him there do you?

I don’t think he’ll still be there at pick15(17) but if Sinn was then I’d go Sinn. Sinn was easily top5 before his injuries.

 

[Bojangles17]

The reason why our forward line did not function in the main was that we could not move the ball from the back half to the forward half with any consistency. We had nobody who could take a mark on the wing and move the ball on. CCJ did it one week, took from memory 4 good strong contested marks from the outlet kick. Jack could not do it and Lynch seemed to be planted in the forward 30m most of the season. The only times our forwards functioned well was when Lynch got out past the 50m line and competed. How many games did we go into 3/4 times with a handful of goals.

Jack couldn't do it where once he could because he was 32 and not the young spring heeled player he was. We need a CHF that can compete in the air as teams fold into the back half of the ground with this new standing rule. Jack was constantly out bodies/marked by the second man up. Balta, Miller, whoever, but we need some more aerial presence. Melbourne had it with Brown and Jackson and McDonald, Fitsch just finished off their work, much like Jack would if he had someone else doing the heavy lifting further up the ground. Sure our smalls were average, but without the ball coming in quickly, most smalls are, talented or not.

Agree in part the root of our probs in 21 was our poor transition from back half due in no small part to our decimated defence and patched up midfield. A stable defence will be a very good start , improvement from emerging mids and we need improved options in f50. I suspect in short term that shedda lambo Stack will be part of the solution . Miller is a curious one , he may well get a gig as a spare parts man but unlikely if soldo and nank are both fit

 

[Bojangles17]

Clearly we rate what we've seen from RCD very differently. And to a lesser extent, the ability and likelihood of a mid first round draftee being physically ready to contribute in a meaningful way from year 1 off the back of 2 years of interrupted football.

I am surprised by anyone saying they haven't seen anything in RCD. In the games he was given the chance to play in his best position (inside), to me I see a lot of Josh Kennedy (Sydney variety), but with a burst of pace and some extra height. Doing it consistently is his issue. But I've definitely seen that he can do it.


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He came in this year and looked very much at the level avg near 20p a game and tbh I resented he didn’t get further opportunities

 

[Bojangles17]

Johnson over Erasmus any day of the week.
I’m not a fan of Hobbs either.

At pick15(17) in order of preference Sinn, Goater, Sonsie, Roberts.

picks in 20s… above if available plus McDonald, Taylor

Just watched Johnson tapes, nice player , looks very similar skill set to rcd though his numbers at junior level prob more solid . Would be happy to see him in y&b , don’t have a problem with Hobbs though . We desperately need a player that gets 28p just rolling out of bed , he’s that man

 

[Mr Magic]

I don’t think he’ll still be there at pick15(17) but if Sinn was then I’d go Sinn. Sinn was easily top5 before his injuries.

I think neither could be there at that pick thus the need to move up to a higher pick. Dunno, depends on what other clubs are selecting

 

[Mr Magic]

Just watched Johnson tapes, nice player , looks very similar skill set to rcd though his numbers at junior level prob more solid . Would be happy to see him in y&b , don’t have a problem with Hobbs though . We desperately need a player that gets 28p just rolling out of bed , he’s that man

This is a bit of the nuts and bolts of it to me.

Johnson looks more of a natural mid than RCD to me. I have not written RCD off, far from it. People know I have banging on about I am not sure he is a pure inside mid. If one looks at the movement of both players I think Johnson looks more agile which is important in tighter contests. I see Johnson more of a inside mid and RCD more of a hybrid who can contribute in the middle and other places. Having said that one could put Johnson on a wing. RCD is more recognised as a straight line runner I think and has some Oakley Nicholls about him in terms of movement regarding the straight line, known for his bursts. I think RCD can make it, there is a role for him but it may not be a traditional role most are accustomed to but I think its fair to say I can be more creative and think more laterally on most in terms of different roles players can play. Some may say I have a bigger imagination. RCD runs on railway tracks a little more than Johnson for me, I think Johnson can be more effective in tighter contests, he is a better lateral mover to the eye, but RCD should improve with upper body strength allowing him to get the ball out in more pressure

The point is it is not just about height, stick him in there he will get it done. Its more about how a player can move, win the ball and distribute it as well. I think RCD can be more of a burst player with Stringer traits in the defensive half. Johnson could be a player that helps RCD by doing things that RCD can improve in his game

I like Hobbs, there are certain traits that are attractive but I think some of the hype that gets bandied about can be ignored by media pushes etc.. At the end of the day its about how players put out on the field once they cross the line and their effectiveness against varying opposition

 

[tigerdan]

Moving Balta forward is a joke.

We can't just brain fart Balta forward on the idea that he's done well back therefore will make it as a forward. It's like Balta to the wing idea, just because Richo did it once.

Break glass in case of emergency is when I'd do it, like the famous time Northey sent Bullus forward. I think he is our long term key tall defender.

We should have had our next forward lined up two years ago. Chol was an experiment but too soft. Not sure why we didn't try harder to keep ccj, but it is what it is.

I can only guess (hope?) that we have a free agent lined up already but if not, we'll that's poor planning.

Look if the club try Balta forward over the preseason I won't cry, but I just think the idea being pushed is wishful thinking.

 

[Dont_Argue]

Gee watching the replay of the Aussie 19’s vs Geelong vfl team and Fahey is bloody impressive. Wonder where he goes

Amazing how Callahan went from being a late inclusion in this game to consensus number 4 in the pecking order!
He’s far from impressive so far but as we know players grow at different stages of their top age year

It’s evident at this stage guys like Sonsie were the ones touted as high rankers as he’s been on ball a stack in this first term without doing anything. Daicos is a magnet and JHF will fit in beautifully at North. Wish we got more content of our Vic boys

No Hobbs or Ward to look at in this one is a shame, but it’s Nice watching Erasmus who obviously is another who may be available at our pick

I wouldn’t mind taking Fahey with 15(17) think he is really good. Can GWS match if we do?

 

[Mr Magic]

I wouldn’t mind taking Fahey with 15(17) think he is really good. Can GWS match if we do?

Off to GWS, its a done deal, just how much will they cough up

 

[OneEyedRichmond]

Just watched Johnson tapes, nice player , looks very similar skill set to rcd though his numbers at junior level prob more solid . Would be happy to see him in y&b , don’t have a problem with Hobbs though . We desperately need a player that gets 28p just rolling out of bed , he’s that man

Johnson is a polished finisher with elite agility & a player who projects as a multi position talent due to being 192cm. Players such as Johnson are rare in comparison to players such as Hobbs. If I'm being tasked to remodel an engine room then I grab the hardest part to find, Johnson represents the rarer commodity so he becomes the priority.
We should just get McDonald as a pure mid as he’s not far behind Hobbs.

 

[ForeverHardcore]

I don’t think Johnson will be available at that pick 17
But what about a guy like Knevitt? Great size, tackling machine, pretty clean, great overhead and looks to have that natural aggression that RCD lacks

I reckon he’a perfect for our second pick especially if Ward fell into our laps at 9
Sorts the mids out straight away with those picks and can get Williams as that big forward target with 1 of the picks in the 20’s

 

[Muddiemoose]

Well how do you expect to improve our forward line next year? We have lost our only two maybe talls in Chol and CCJ, so given our forward line was pretty bad last year, we have to do something pro-active. Balta has the talent to take a game apart, not sure he can do it but I'd like to see if he can. He will make a good backman no doubt.

At the very least I would like to see Miller tried there, Balta can stay put if that works.

Don’t think our forward line was that bad last year all things considered , Lynch was playing injured for a large portion of it

A lot of the issues around it were a result of our terrible entry’s into 50
Our midfield was shot and we also copped injury’s to our high half forwards like Lambert who would often set up our entry’s and we looked extremely predictable with those delivery’s we had

 

[Roksman]

Well how do you expect to improve our forward line next year? We have lost our only two maybe talls in Chol and CCJ, so given our forward line was pretty bad last year, we have to do something pro-active. Balta has the talent to take a game apart, not sure he can do it but I'd like to see if he can. He will make a good backman no doubt.

At the very least I would like to see Miller tried there, Balta can stay put if that works.

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