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AstuteTiger · Nov 7, 2021

sregit said:
It’s not a rant! I just don’t understand others making out that he’s a star in the making when he has shown sweet stuff all. Sadly as yet he has not shown enough dedication to even get fit. I find him to be the most disappointing player on our list, possibly because I believe he should be far more advanced by now. He has the attributes to be good but I think he lacks the drive/determination

Shown stuff all? Safe to say he has made big improvements from his first 2 years, and I expect him to take another step up in 2022.
RCD played 9 games, these stats are pretty good.

The clangers, I think that's more to do with grasping the speed of the game, thus rushing his kicks/handballs but the composure will come with more experience.

RCD has the explosiveness, able to win his own ball, goes in hard. What you want from an inside mid.
Now, If I'm being fair in my praise, ill also give my views on where Collier Dawkins can improve.

Doesn't get from contest to contest (needs to be more of a two-way runner), and doesn't put enough defensive pressure on the opposition when he doesn't have the ball. If he can add these attributes to his game, then he's going to be a regular and add to our midfield depth.
Word is he's been running with Lambert which will definitely help with his running game.

● Ranked 7th among rising stars in Total Clearances	● Ranked 3rd among rising stars in Total Centre Clearances
● Ranked 7th among rising stars in Handballs Per Game	● Ranked 6th among rising stars in Contested Possessions Per Game
● Ranked 9th among rising stars in Clangers Per Game	● Ranked 3rd among rising stars in Clearances Per Game
● Ranked 1st among rising stars in Centre Clearances Per Game	● Ranked 7th among rising stars in Stoppage Clearances Per Game

2021 Games Log for Riley Collier-Dawkins (Richmond Tigers)

Description	Date	Opponent	Result	K	HB	D	M	G	B	T	HO	GA	I50	CL	CG	R50	FF	FA	AF	SC
Round 23	Aug 21	Hawks	Draw 83-83	10	9	19	3	0	0	1	0	0	3	5	2	2	0	1	58	66
Round 17	Jul 11	Magpies	Loss 71-87	5	9	14	1	1	0	5	0	0	2	4	1	0	0	1	59	69
Round 16	Jul 1	Suns	Loss 67-77	3	5	8	2	0	0	3	0	0	1	4	4	1	0	3	28	36
Round 12	Jun 5	Bombers	Win 123-84	3	6	9	1	0	0	1	0	0	2	2	0	0	1	0	29	27
Round 11	May 30	Crows	Win 111-83	10	8	18	4	0	0	1	0	0	2	4	3	0	1	0	63	56
Round 10	May 21	Lions	Loss 74-102	5	13	18	4	0	0	3	0	0	3	1	3	0	0	2	59	50
Round 9	May 15	Giants	Win 87-83	12	6	18	1	2	0	7	0	1	4	4	6	0	1	2	86	88
Round 8	May 7	Cats	Loss 63-126	6	8	14	2	0	0	6	0	0	3	1	4	0	0	0	64	43
Round 7	Apr 30	Bulldogs	Win 77-55	4	10	14	3	0	0	5	0	0	1	5	2	0	2	0	63	76

Rioli2Rioli · Nov 7, 2021

AstuteTiger said:
Shown stuff all? Safe to say he has made big improvements from his first 2 years, and I expect him to take another step up in 2022.
RCD played 9 games, these stats are pretty good.

The clangers, I think that's more to do with grasping the speed of the game, thus rushing his kicks/handballs but the composure will come with more experience.

RCD has the explosiveness, able to win his own ball, goes in hard. What you want from an inside mid.
Now, If I'm being fair in my praise, ill also give my views on where Collier Dawkins can improve.

Doesn't get from contest to contest (needs to be more of a two-way runner), and doesn't put enough defensive pressure on the opposition when he doesn't have the ball. If he can add these attributes to his game, then he's going to be a regular and add to our midfield depth.
Word is he's been running with Lambert which will definitely help with his running game.

● Ranked 7th among rising stars in Total Clearances ● Ranked 3rd among rising stars in Total Centre Clearances
● Ranked 7th among rising stars in Handballs Per Game ● Ranked 6th among rising stars in Contested Possessions Per Game
● Ranked 9th among rising stars in Clangers Per Game ● Ranked 3rd among rising stars in Clearances Per Game
● Ranked 1st among rising stars in Centre Clearances Per Game ● Ranked 7th among rising stars in Stoppage Clearances Per Game

2021 Games Log for Riley Collier-Dawkins (Richmond Tigers)

Description Date Opponent Result K HB D M G B T HO GA I50 CL CG R50 FF FA AF SC
Round 23
Aug 21
Hawks
Draw 83-83
10
9
19
3
0
0
1
0
0
3
5
2
2
0
1
58
66
Round 17
Jul 11
Magpies
Loss 71-87
5
9
14
1
1
0
5
0
0
2
4
1
0
0
1
59
69
Round 16
Jul 1
Suns
Loss 67-77
3
5
8
2
0
0
3
0
0
1
4
4
1
0
3
28
36
Round 12
Jun 5
Bombers
Win 123-84
3
6
9
1
0
0
1
0
0
2
2
0
0
1
0
29
27
Round 11
May 30
Crows
Win 111-83
10
8
18
4
0
0
1
0
0
2
4
3
0
1
0
63
56
Round 10
May 21
Lions
Loss 74-102
5
13
18
4
0
0
3
0
0
3
1
3
0
0
2
59
50
Round 9
May 15
Giants
Win 87-83
12
6
18
1
2
0
7
0
1
4
4
6
0
1
2
86
88
Round 8
May 7
Cats
Loss 63-126
6
8
14
2
0
0
6
0
0
3
1
4
0
0
0
64
43
Round 7
Apr 30
Bulldogs
Win 77-55
4
10
14
3
0
0
5
0
0
1
5
2
0
2
0
63
76

Would you have his Time on ground in these matches or average time played ?

AstuteTiger · Nov 7, 2021

Rioli2Rioli said:
Would you have his Time on ground in these matches or average time played ?

RD 7 - 70%
RD 8 - 63%
RD 9 - 80%
RD 10 - 71%
RD 11 - 72%
RD 12 - 58%
RD 16 - 63%
RD 17 - 60%
RD 23 - 64%
Ave 9 games - 66.7%

Rioli2Rioli · Nov 7, 2021

AstuteTiger said:
RD 7 - 70%
RD 8 - 63%
RD 9 - 80%
RD 10 - 71%
RD 11 - 72%
RD 12 - 58%
RD 16 - 63%
RD 17 - 60%
RD 23 - 64%
Ave 9 games - 66.7%

Looks to be able to get 18 touches a game in 65%-70% game time consistently and with more experience and game time and added fitness should become a 25+ touch player and in our game style thats pretty good.

BAFLD · Nov 7, 2021

Rioli2Rioli said:
I just see GC having a desperate need for a KPD and Gibcus would be hard to pass for them but wanting to trade up could mean they select a different player

Agree especially given Budarick is also coming back off an ACL

juss · Nov 7, 2021

DeLaCon said:
I am happy at 7 with any of Ward, Johnson, Gibcus or Hobbs. Fahey an outside chance based on something I heard. Was told a month ago we really like Fahey and Taylor. Was hoping for Taylor and Bazzo as a developing key defender in the 20s as well. People forget Tarrant Grimes are 30+ Astbury gone. We need to bring in a tall defender imho.

Hope we bid on Fahey, probably at 15 though. Something about him I like too.

bc27 · Nov 7, 2021

juss said:
Hope we bid on Fahey, probably at 15 though. Something about him I like too.

Richmond are definitely keen on Fahey.

Question for those who know. If tigers bid on Fahey @pick 7. Do GWS have to match and lose their pick 13 to get him? Would that mean our pick 15 jumps up a spot?

GoTigers2015 · Nov 7, 2021

bc27 said:
Richmond are definitely keen on Fahey.

Question for those who know. If tigers bid on Fahey @pick 7. Do GWS have to match and lose their pick 13 to get him? Would that new our pick 15 jumps up a spot?

No, GWS will trade pick 13 if they had to match.

I can't see us going for a HBF at pick 7 (9) when we have a greater need for mids, KPP and outside speed.

Lord of the Wings · Nov 7, 2021

GoTigers2015 said:
No, GWS will trade pick 13 if they had to match.

I can't see us going for a HBF at pick 7 (9) when we have a greater need for mids, KPP and outside speed.

I don’t think they can trade it. It’s too late at that point as the match price has been calculated.

If they rate him around 15 or better they’ll just match and lose pick 13 {16)

Jungle drums are beating that we’ll bid at 9. He played a great game against our VFL team last year.

GoTigers2015 · Nov 7, 2021

Lord of the Wings said:
I don’t think they can trade it. It’s too late at that point as the match price has been calculated.

They either have to match or let him through.

Jungle drums are beating that we’ll bid at 9. He played a great game against our VFL team last year.

They can trade before matching, not too late.

Can you remember when Essendon bid on Keidean Coleman in the 2019 draft. Caused all sorts of delays while Brisbane found another club to trade their next pick for more points.

Tiger_Of_Old · Nov 7, 2021

Marcel Proust said:
Adding callaghan to OUR development program alongside Rowell and anderson seems obvious

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Tiger_Of_Old · Nov 7, 2021

Cotchy9 said:
Who do we take if both Ward and Hobbs are there? Will be a tough one to split

Get pick 8 off Freo.lol

Tiger_Of_Old · Nov 7, 2021

Cotchy9 said:
Agree. I’m on Hobbs as well. And can see the club loving his leadership traits and the way he goes about it

Think this is why we're holding off on announcing Cotch's replacement as Captain.

bc27 · Nov 7, 2021

GoTigers2015 said:
They can trade before matching, not too late.

Can you remember when Essendon bid on Keidean Coleman in the 2019 draft. Caused all sorts of delays while Brisbane found another club to trade their next pick for more points.

We offer a trade 26&27 (1445) points for gws 13&53.
If we bid on Fahey at pick 7, gws need roughly 1450 points.
We score pick 13.
7,13,15,28

Tiger_Of_Old · Nov 7, 2021

DeLaCon said:
Wouldnt be surprised to see us put the acid on GWS with us selecting Josh Fahey definately with our 2nd selection an depending on if Hobbs and Ward if there gone it wouldnt surprise me if we test GWS commitment to fahey by taking him with our first pick. We lost Houli, Faheycould be his replacement. It would shock our supporters but Richmond has been known to do this type of thing in the past and if we want him as much as Ive heard i wouldnt be surprised if we call his name really early to see what GWS will do.

If they give us pick 2 for 15 then that solves the threat.

Tiger_Of_Old · Nov 7, 2021

bc27 said:
Richmond are definitely keen on Fahey.

Question for those who know. If tigers bid on Fahey @pick 7. Do GWS have to match and lose their pick 13 to get him? Would that mean our pick 15 jumps up a spot?

I hope we make a play for pick 18 or 19 from Bris or Freo, Offer picks 26 & 27 for either.
Bid for Fahey @ 15
Taylor @ 18 or 19.

Hobbs
Fahey
Taylor
Bazzo

Would make a great draft night.

_RT_ · Nov 7, 2021

Cotchy9 said:
You just know our blokes will pick someone you least expect. Not saying they’ll reach, but always expect the unexpected with our recruiting team

Which is why I've been reading up on someone like Sonsie

Bojangles17 · Nov 7, 2021

Rioli2Rioli said:
I just see GC having a desperate need for a KPD and Gibcus would be hard to pass for them but wanting to trade up could mean they select a different player

You’d think there need for another defender would be more acute than an extra mid

THE THIN MAN · Nov 7, 2021

This Is Anfield said:
I think every player on our list is a complete waste of space… hope I’m proved wrong

What has happened for you to be so despondent about Liverpool?

Marcel Proust · Nov 7, 2021

Bojangles17 said:
You’d think there need for another defender would be more acute than an extra mid

Maybe they also figured out the next draft has a bunch of talls?

A calla - Rowell midfield would be hard to overlook imo

Chol would be a decent defender imho play loose

This Is Anfield · Nov 7, 2021

THE THIN MAN said:
What has happened for you to be so despondent about Liverpool?

I'm expecting the worst against West Ham tomorrow morning... Liverpool need to draft Finn Callaghan, it seems that he's that good!

RockJobster0312 · Nov 7, 2021

I expect RFC to take the best available player with our first pick in the ND, which has pretty much been the MO for the club under Matt Clarke.

This is regardless of positional need, or positional surplus.

We took Bolton in 2016 (no real need for a small forward).

Took Higgins in 2017 (definitely did not have any need for a small forward).

Samson Ryan last year, despite a fairly large contingent of ruckmen already on the list.

So wouldn’t surprised if we pick up someone like Rachele or Gibcus (maybe even Mac Andrew) if available if deemed best available (I have them both ahead of Ward and Hobbs personally).

We then address need with later picks (CCJ and Balta come to mind). What I do wonder is whether the first two FRP are best player available and then the later seconds are used for need. Or does 15 get used for need?

AstuteTiger · Nov 7, 2021

RockJobster0312 said:
I expect RFC to take the best available player with our first pick in the ND, which has pretty much been the MO for the club under Matt Clarke.

This is regardless of positional need, or positional surplus.

We took Bolton in 2016 (no real need for a small forward).

Took Higgins in 2017 (definitely did not have any need for a small forward).

Samson Ryan last year, despite a fairly large contingent of ruckmen already on the list.

So wouldn’t surprised if we pick up someone like Rachele or Gibcus (maybe even Mac Andrew) if available if deemed best available (I have them both ahead of Ward and Hobbs personally).

We then address need with later picks (CCJ and Balta come to mind). What I do wonder is whether the first two FRP are best player available and then the later seconds are used for need. Or does 15 get used for need?

The club as I hear want Hobbs, first and foremost we need more inside mids. We ain't going to pick Andrew or Rachele over a Hobbs or Ward.
We have 4 rucks on our books, Nankervis, Soldo, Ryan, Collina. Andrew is 2-3 years away. We are still in our window, dimma and Co will look for players who can make an immediate impact.

Of course, if Hobbs and ward are off the table we would look at gibcus, rachele, but if Johnson is available i would take him over andrew or rachele.
Gibcus being the best defender will be a tough call as he and Balta could set us up for the next decade in defence.

Marcel Proust · Nov 7, 2021

AstuteTiger said:
The club as I hear want Hobbs, first and foremost we need more inside mids. We ain't going to pick Andrew over a Hobbs or Ward.
We have 4 rucks on our books, Nankervis, Soldo, Ryan, Collina. Andrew is 2-3 years away. We are still in our window, dimma and Co will look for players who can make an immediate impact.

Of course, if Hobbs and ward are off the table we would look at gibcus, rachele, but if Johnson is available i would take him over andrew or rachele.
Gibcus being the best defender will be a tough call as he and Balta could set us up for the next decade in defence.

Who why didn't we take tom mitchell. If we are drafting for the short term ?

AstuteTiger · Nov 7, 2021

Marcel Proust said:
Who why didn't we take tom mitchell

Simple turning 29, hawks wanting a first-rounder and he's on 700K+ we don't have the cap.

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