List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

[Lore]

 

[Joey longshadow]

Here are some quotes from their draft years. I'll give you Apeness (misremembered him completely) though.

Sam Day - "probably the most athletic tall that's ever come through the system".
Shaun Hampson - "Quick and agile ... Recorded 3.00sec for 20m at NAB AFL Draft Camp, outstanding for his size, coupled with an 86cm vertical leap, placing him in the top five per cent of players tested."
Dean Putt - "Very athletic ruckman".
Billy Longer - "Mobile, athletic and fast."

Yeah ..makes it hard ...they all get written up as if they are the next Polly farmer ...trouble is it would just be nasty if they wrote the truth about some of them however it would be funny ..
Joe Bloggs ...ruckman...202cm
" In matches this season he has proven time and again he has the heart of a pea,..this talentless hack should be nowhere near the draft combine ,it's strongly suspected he screws small animals and if there is any justice in the world he will probably be murdered in his sleep and any recruiter that is contemplating drafting him should be waterboarded "

 

[bc27]

5 to 6 years to become a great player maybe, maybe not. It may only take 2 to 3 to become a very good player. The thing is football clubs have hopes for all their draftees, sometimes they have high hopes. If the tiges take him at 7/9 they would clearly have the latter. Should he prove them right he will be played above any lesser player of similar type. Names will mean nothing only what is best for success. To presume recruiters might be overrating him because of the dearth of talls in this draft is not in keeping with the professionalism of most club recruiters. Perhaps they are simply rating him as a player that is going to become bloody good.

Wasn’t saying the recruiters are overating Andrew. I wouldn’t have a clue how he’s rated currently at tigerland. But the general feel on this board is starting to feel as though he is becoming a little bit overrated due to being the only KP/ruck rated in the top 20.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Wasn’t saying the recruiters are overating Andrew. I wouldn’t have a clue how he’s rated currently at tigerland. But the general feel on this board is starting to feel as though he is becoming a little bit overrated due to being the only KP/ruck rated in the top 20.

after Darcy

 

[Dystraction]

Wasn’t saying the recruiters are overating Andrew. I wouldn’t have a clue how he’s rated currently at tigerland. But the general feel on this board is starting to feel as though he is becoming a little bit overrated due to being the only KP/ruck rated in the top 20.

Yeah the Tiger's continue to leave us in the dark about who we are interested in, it's so good. The so-called expert ratings from media personalities consistently have him in the top ten which suggests the clubs are influencing this without being definitive. I don't think it is overrating but obviously it is only my opinion.

 

[Profop]

Wasn’t saying the recruiters are overating Andrew. I wouldn’t have a clue how he’s rated currently at tigerland. But the general feel on this board is starting to feel as though he is becoming a little bit overrated due to being the only KP/ruck rated in the top 20.

I mean he’s not the only KP rated in the top 20 you’ve got Gibcus, Amiss and JVR all being talked about in the top 20. He’s rated (and yes by Bigfooty watchers) as a top five-eight quality pick seeing we have a pick in that range it stands to reason that posters would be considering the possibility of getting him.

 

[Noidnadroj]

Shaun Hampson, Dean Putt, Rhys Stanley, Sam Day, Michael Apeness, Billy Longer...

There's almost more busts than successes in the athletic 200cm project player category.

Not sure why you don't think Schache and Cox are athletic, though.

Why are you confusing athletically gifted with ‘tall’? Rhys Stanley I’ll accept… but he is going to carve out a 200-game career so hardly a disaster.

But Billy Longer …. Hampson … bahahaha…. They are bloody giraffes.

Ben King won the GF sprint. NicNat has the best vertical leap in the AFL. Nic Cox can play wing. Even our own Richo was not quite 200cm, but a classic example of athletically gifted.

Mac Andrew has a great vertical leap. He is great aerobically (I’m looking at you Chol). He is fast. He is competitive and flies hard at the ball (I’m looking at you Stanley). He is skilled (I’m looking at half the AFL’s 200cm+ players). Who cares if he takes a few seasons. If we bypass Andrew because we are hoping (somewhat ridiculously) that a brand new draftee at pick-7 is going to solve our clearance woes in a way a mid at pick-15 won’t then we are in lala land.

He is touted as going anywhere from 2-10. If he slips to #9 and Ward, Gibcus and Hobbs are all gone I hope we take him. I hope we take him over Ward and Hobbs regardless. When he’s 202cm and 100Kg in 2024 look out. He’s NicNat with marking ability and skill.


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[Moppey]

Callaghan will be at the Giants and they will then do everything they can to turn pick 13 into either Andrew or Gibcus.

Spot on. Clubs have tried to position themselves for a crack at Callaghan if everything out there is to be believed. Gws i have no doubt will take Callaghan and then use their pick 13 on the very best tall available to them.

Personally im not sure clubs will use a top 10 -15 pick on a player like Mac Andrew regardless of how much athleticism he shows. Always beware the 200cm blokes who are as skinny as and mostly end up half ruckman half forward but not quite either.

Im certainly not taking that risk at #9 and im sure there will be a real need at 17 available who wont take 5 years just to find out if he will make it.

Hmm gone by pick 10

1/ Horne - Francis
2/Daicos
3/ Darcy
4/ Callaghan

After pick four it will be some sort of variation of the following mids IMO.
5/ Hobbs
6/Ward
7/ Goater
8/ Erasmus
9/ Johnson

10 My top 10 smokie Mitch Knevitt.

 

[Noidnadroj]

Here are some quotes from their draft years. I'll give you Apeness (misremembered him completely) though.

Sam Day - "probably the most athletic tall that's ever come through the system".
Shaun Hampson - "Quick and agile ... Recorded 3.00sec for 20m at NAB AFL Draft Camp, outstanding for his size, coupled with an 86cm vertical leap, placing him in the top five per cent of players tested."
Dean Putt - "Very athletic ruckman".
Billy Longer - "Mobile, athletic and fast."

Why not use your eyes and not a biased draft summary? I use my eyes and Andrew is super fast, agile, good below his knees and can jump. I use my eyes and Hampson is lumbering and terrible below his knees, Putt is a Clydesdale and Longer is slow as treacle. Sam Day is harder to assess given his terrible run of injuries.

If you’re honestly telling me you’ve watched these respective players ‘in action’ and you believe that Mac Andrew is athletically similar to Longer, Putt and Hampson then I’m going to politely exit this debate.


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[guruisatiger]

If mac Andrew is available at our pick 9
Yes take him ,,if leek alleer is available at one of our 3 second round picks take him

 

[richoatthedisco]

As long as it's not us, I'll be stoked if anyone takes Knevitt in the top 10. Or the top 20.

But they won't.

 

[BAFLD]

I reckon we will end up with Gibcus or Hobbs .

KPD rarely go in the top 10 of drafts, reckon they both slip and we pick the one we want

Grainger Barrass, Zach reid and Griffin Logue the only exceptions since 2016

That's 3 KPD in the last 5 years have been taken in the top 10, its rare

Big chance Gibcus slips.

Big chance our first pick is from interstate where they have played more football . Eg Matthew Johnson

 

[Simche]

And Tony Lockett and Ablett senior contributed zero flags as well, just like NicNat … silly argument.

And are Schache, Boyd, Wright etc… athletically gifted? No, they’re just big.

When you said you’re not convinced about the King brothers you sort of lost me anyway….




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Difference being Ablett and Lockett didn't play in the ruck so you are not really addressing the point at all.

If you look at the cold hard facts, Melbourne are the first side with an A-grade ruck to win the flag for over ten years. That position is just not that important in modern footy and an A-grade midfielder is significantly more important.

Whether you like my comment on the King brothers or not is for you, but thus far Max King in particular has shown he has the heart of a pea (have a look at his game against the Cats this year for an illustration of why he will never reach the upper echelons of the league), and you brought up both in the same breath as Nik Cox who has done the cumulative total of nothing at AFL level.

On your assessment of Schache, Boyd and Wright, perhaps you actually need some perspective re their draft profiles in comparison to Andrew.

Schache: 'It is rare to see such a big man with the ability to pick up half volleys off his bootlaces and fire out handballs all in one fluent motion but Schache can do that.'

Boyd: 'fantastic athleticism for a big boy.'

Wright: 'As aforementioned his leading patterns are smart and, alongside his engine, makes Wright a really intelligent and athletic forward'

All taken from a very quick google of their AFL draft and ESPN draft profiles. Describing them as 'just big' is a fallacy.

Andrew has bust writ large on him and I'd be more than happy for you to come back in a few years if he's tearing the league apart and winning Norm Smith medals. I bet he won't though and I very much doubt he'll outstrip the performance of any of the top 15 midfielders or Gibcus based on what I have seen.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Big chance our first pick is from interstate where they have played more football . Eg Matthew Johnson

Wouldnt be the worse choice im
first 2 years Hobbs may be better but in the long run Johnson offers more

192cm 82kgs (probably get to 89/90) and is athletically brilliant with beautiful kicking skills



"First-round WA prospect Matthew Johnson capped off his excellent finish to his 2021 campaign – which included a best on ground medal in a WA v SA game on AFL Grand Final day – by placing third nationally in the agility test, sixth in the standing vertical jump and seventh in the running vertical. He also ran a 20m sprint time under three seconds.:

 

[Marcel Proust]

Here are some quotes from their draft years. I'll give you Apeness (misremembered him completely) though.

Sam Day - "probably the most athletic tall that's ever come through the system".
Shaun Hampson - "Quick and agile ... Recorded 3.00sec for 20m at NAB AFL Draft Camp, outstanding for his size, coupled with an 86cm vertical leap, placing him in the top five per cent of players tested."
Dean Putt - "Very athletic ruckman".
Billy Longer - "Mobile, athletic and fast."

Gone back a while to find those

 

[tigerdan]

Skinny kids remind me too much of Matty Francis and David Bourke.

Big no for first round pick, not against it for a late pick.

 

[Wrenny]

Wouldnt be the worse choice im
first 2 years Hobbs may be better but in the long run Johnson offers more

192cm 82kgs (probably get to 89/90) and is athletically brilliant with beautiful kicking skills



"First-round WA prospect Matthew Johnson capped off his excellent finish to his 2021 campaign – which included a best on ground medal in a WA v SA game on AFL Grand Final day – by placing third nationally in the agility test, sixth in the standing vertical jump and seventh in the running vertical. He also ran a 20m sprint time under three seconds.:

Linked to the Hawks recently

 

[YeOldTiger]

Wouldnt be the worse choice im
first 2 years Hobbs may be better but in the long run Johnson offers more

192cm 82kgs (probably get to 89/90) and is athletically brilliant with beautiful kicking skills



"First-round WA prospect Matthew Johnson capped off his excellent finish to his 2021 campaign – which included a best on ground medal in a WA v SA game on AFL Grand Final day – by placing third nationally in the agility test, sixth in the standing vertical jump and seventh in the running vertical. He also ran a 20m sprint time under three seconds.:

This kid is a very good player. Great sidestep, always looks unhurried. Lovely skills.

 

[TigerTime88]

Wouldnt be the worse choice im
first 2 years Hobbs may be better but in the long run Johnson offers more

192cm 82kgs (probably get to 89/90) and is athletically brilliant with beautiful kicking skills



"First-round WA prospect Matthew Johnson capped off his excellent finish to his 2021 campaign – which included a best on ground medal in a WA v SA game on AFL Grand Final day – by placing third nationally in the agility test, sixth in the standing vertical jump and seventh in the running vertical. He also ran a 20m sprint time under three seconds.:

Didn’t mind his highlights. Apparently a question on his intensity which is a big issue.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Didn’t mind his highlights. Apparently a question on his intensity which is a big issue.

Well thats where our scout sam cousens comes into it and would have seen him play numerous times in the last 2-3 years
But from what he has shown this year and his athletic traits he certainly looks like he has what it takes at the level

 

[Spluff]

Why not use your eyes and not a biased draft summary? I use my eyes and Andrew is super fast, agile, good below his knees and can jump. I use my eyes and Hampson is lumbering and terrible below his knees, Putt is a Clydesdale and Longer is slow as treacle. Sam Day is harder to assess given his terrible run of injuries.

If you’re honestly telling me you’ve watched these respective players ‘in action’ and you believe that Mac Andrew is athletically similar to Longer, Putt and Hampson then I’m going to politely exit this debate.


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So your argument is 'because I think so'?

I'm not saying Andrew isn't more athletic than Longer, Putt or Hampson (though he's definitely not more athletic than Sam Day) - I'm saying that they were athletic, and you said athletic talls don't fail.

 

[guruisatiger]

So your argument is 'because I think so'?

I'm not saying Andrew isn't more athletic than Longer, Putt or Hampson (though he's definitely not more athletic than Sam Day) - I'm saying that they were athletic, and you said athletic talls don't fail.

They do if there injury plagued

 

[Pattiger]

after Darcy

Compare his highlights to that of Mabor Choi - doesnt even come close

 

[Oshka]

Sounds like every player after pick two in this draft is a spud. Would be happy to trade every single one of our picks into next year’s draft (a non spud draft).

 

[blaisee]

Sounds like every player after pick two in this draft is a spud. Would be happy to trade every single one of our picks into next year’s draft (a non spud draft).

next years draft will be worse, far worse

 

[Oshka]

next years draft will be worse, far worse

Sick of spuds.