List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

[Lore]

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Richmond has 5 picks in the top 30, this can be used to transform the list.

Take 5 to the draft and back the professionals to do their job

 

[Cotchy9]

Strong chance the way its looking we'll have a choice between Hobbs & Ward.
The question is.Should we throw the kitchen sink at Both Freo & Stk to get either of the next 2 picks that would get us both?

Depends who the Saints want. Would 15 and say 26 get their pick 9 (11)?

 

[Grrr]

I can appreciate you really like Andrew but the comparison to Fyfe is way off. Fyfe was 187cm and 75kg when drafted. He was arguably BOG in the WA Colts Grand Final but was playing as a 3rd forward leading up the ground (think Ryan O'Keefe role that was popular at the time). You can play as a half forward or wingman at that weight despite it not being ideal. Andrew plays in the ruck and there is absolutely no way you can play that position below 90kg.

Andrew strikes me as one of those prospects that is an absolutely unreasonable gamble in a position that I do not think is a need or for that matter overly important. Oakley-Nichols or Tom Williams like drafting on the basis of upside usually yields really poor results.

Paddy Ryder was a similar weight when drafted. He is only 95kg now after 15 years in the system. Played 9 matches in his first season, 21 for the next 5.
If you know how to play you can be a good ruckman like Ryder was right from the start. Not many do, but we haven't seen his type of player (with his build and athleticism) touted top 10 since Ryder maybe all those years ago.

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Strong chance the way its looking we'll have a choice between Hobbs & Ward.
The question is.Should we throw the kitchen sink at Both Freo & Stk to get either of the next 2 picks that would get us both?

I thought the way it's looking is Hawks to take Ward. Who have you heard they are likely to take? For both to be there, it would mean Gibcus, Andrew probably both taken, or Rachelle? I have only heard Ward linked to Hawks, but that could be just his openly known desire to get there.

 

[guruisatiger]

Paddy Ryder was a similar weight when drafted. He is only 95kg now after 15 years in the system. Played 9 matches in his first season, 12 for the next 5.
If you know how to play you can be a good ruckman like Ryder was right from the start. Not many do, but we haven't seen his type of player (with his build and athleticism) touted top 10 since Ryder maybe all those years ago.

He pretty well much fell into the position of being a ruck, when hill went down with a knee in 1st q against pies Anzac day,,paddy stepped up won the medal, and so he became a genuine ruck

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Depends who the Saints want. Would 15 and say 26 get their pick 9 (11)?

Would prefer to keep 15.But wouldn't be against it if it meant we get 9.

 

[Grrr]

He pretty well much fell into the position of being a ruck, when hill went down with a knee in 1st q against pies Anzac day,,paddy stepped up won the medal, and so he became a genuine ruck

Bad luck for Hill, good luck for Paddy. Have always had a soft spot for Ryder, even he played for that team. Beautiful footballer and still is.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

I thought the way it's looking is Hawks to take Ward. Who have you heard they are likely to take? For both to be there, it would mean Gibcus, Andrew probably both taken, or Rachelle? I have only heard Ward linked to Hawks, but that could be just his openly known desire to get there.

Hawks won't pass up on Callaghan if he's still on the table.
Crows are very keen on Rachele.
Freo will take a local.
Hobbs is for the now(next year) whereas Ward is seen as for the future with abit more upside than Hobbs.
Would be ideal to get both and while developing Ward we can get a clearer picture on the likes of RCD/Dow & Martyn.

 

[jthanos]

If Francis, Daicos, Darcy, Mac, Gibcus, Callaghan, Rachelle are gone in the first 7. That will leave Ward and Hobbs next, how do we get both ?

Swap 15 & 26 for St Kilda's 9 & 55.
If the rules allow, swap 9 & 27 for Freo's pick 6 & 61.

This will give us 6 & 7 to get Ward & Hobbs and Freo 8 & 9 to get 2 WA boys Erasmus & Amiss

That leave us 28, 55, 61 to plug any holes along with Hobbs & Ward.

 

[Mr Magic]

Richmond has 5 picks in the top 30, this can be used to transform the list.

Take 5 to the draft and back the professionals to do their job

I think its not so much about backing the professionals, we know they are not idiots, and have a good enough hit rate to earn their respect. The more relevant point is what the other recruiters do? Our recruiters might be fantastic but if the others are good if we don't trade we might end up with good left overs rather than better stars simply because the other recruiters are not idiots either.


On a side note, did not mind how Hugh Jackson moved and applied his craft in his recent highlights video

 

[guruisatiger]

Bad luck for Hill, good luck for Paddy. Have always had a soft spot for Ryder, even he played for that team. Beautiful footballer and still is.

Agreed whole heartedly

 

[guruisatiger]

Will be interesting to see if we use all of our 5 picks, or will we only use 4, holding one back for pss pick, if we do only use 4 picks, our last pick 28 will be very valuable,,could net us another quality pick in 2022 draft

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Strong chance the way its looking we'll have a choice between Hobbs & Ward.
The question is.Should we throw the kitchen sink at Both Freo & Stk to get either of the next 2 picks that would get us both?

Not really a fan of throwing the kitchen sink as you always get left with no sink
My preference would be to either use our 2 x 20's selections to get another 15-20 range or 1 x 20's pick plus 2022 2nd rounder to get a 15-20 pick
I would be very happy to take 5 picks with 3 inside 20

 

[energyquant]

So little exposed form for so many of these boys means the draft outcomes are more uncertain that usual. It doesn't make much sense therefore to pay a high price to trade up. Take the 5 picks and if somebody makes us a great offer for 2022 draft for one of our picks, then take it. I wouldn't even mind if we traded away pick 7 for (say) North Melbourne's first rounder in 2022.

 

[Spanish_Fly]

If Francis, Daicos, Darcy, Mac, Gibcus, Callaghan, Rachelle are gone in the first 7. That will leave Ward and Hobbs next, how do we get both ?

Swap 15 & 26 for St Kilda's 9 & 55.
If the rules allow, swap 9 & 27 for Freo's pick 6 & 61.

This will give us 6 & 7 to get Ward & Hobbs and Freo 8 & 9 to get 2 WA boys Erasmus & Amiss

That leave us 28, 55, 61 to plug any holes along with Hobbs & Ward.

If Freo are prepared to do that trade it means they aren't going to draft either Ward or Hobbs anyway and they have decided to take the 2 WA boys. In this case no need to do the second trade, just take Ward and Hobbs with 7 & 9.

 

[Simche]

If Freo are prepared to do that trade it means they aren't going to draft either Ward or Hobbs anyway and they have decided to take the 2 WA boys. In this case no need to do the second trade, just take Ward and Hobbs with 7 & 9.

Agree. I think we can pretty safely assume that Freo will be taking Erasums and Amiss after what has gone on with Cerra.

I don't love the idea of taking Hobbs and Ward (and in doing so giving away 15/26/27). Particularly as someone like a Sonsie/Goater/Johnson could be there at 15 and may develop into a better player than either. Add to that you are potentially giving away two shots at blokes like MacDonald/Roberts/Taylor (and hopefully someone like Chesser sliding). I would much rather take Hobbs (not convinced Ward slides past Hawthorn) and then 3 of the above, backing ourselves to develop them like we have guys like Bolton.

The midfield is the issue at the moment, that's where we're falling behind the best teams and it is an unprecedented opportunity to address the issue. Next year the talls look like it could be the year to replace JR and start looking at a Tarrant replacement.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Not really a fan of throwing the kitchen sink as you always get left with no sink
My preference would be to either use our 2 x 20's selections to get another 15-20 range or 1 x 20's pick plus 2022 2nd rounder to get a 15-20 pick
I would be very happy to take 5 picks with 3 inside 20

But if that sink is of Hobbs & Ward it makes life alot more easier with our next picks in the 20's.
Or even better use those 20's picks for say Freos 19.
7-Hobbs
9-Ward
19-Bazzo/Taylor/Chesser/Brown etc
Leave one spot open for the mid season draft or a later pick on someone like Dean.
For me the key is Hobbs & Ward.
Means next year we can target KPs

 

[db26]

Depends who the Saints want. Would 15 and say 26 get their pick 9 (11)?

Your paying way overs there !.

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Hawks won't pass up on Callaghan if he's still on the table.
Crows are very keen on Rachele.
Freo will take a local.
Hobbs is for the now(next year) whereas Ward is seen as for the future with abit more upside than Hobbs.
Would be ideal to get both and while developing Ward we can get a clearer picture on the likes of RCD/Dow & Martyn.

They won't have the chance to pass on Callighan. There is I guess a small chance he gets passed on by both GWS and Suns, highly doubt it though. But I guess it's fun to speculate on this possibilty Ward gets to pick 9. A slider happens every year.
We'll get a better idea on how loud the jungle drums are with him in the few days before the draft.

 

[Cotchy9]

Your paying way overs there !.

Maybe. But if it’s a chance to get someone like Ward or Gibcus who has slid, I’d be prepared to do it

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

But if that sink is of Hobbs & Ward it makes life alot more easier with our next picks in the 20's.
Or even better use those 20's picks for say Freos 19.
7-Hobbs
9-Ward
19-Bazzo/Taylor/Chesser/Brown etc
Leave one spot open for the mid season draft or a later pick on someone like Dean.
For me the key is Hobbs & Ward.
Means next year we can target KPs

Im thinking with so little games played the last 2 years that i wouldnt be wanting to invest too heavily into players with so little exposed form , There is no reason why a player like Johnson,Sinn,Sonsie cannot end up a better player than Ward or Hobbs.

Just have a feeling there will be some really nice players at our picks 26,27,28 that we could be surprised with.

Knevitt,Brown,MacDonald,Howes types that also have the inside mid ability or the outside game the others have and have not had the chance to show in 20/21

 

[Tygrys]

Nat Fyfe slipped to pick-20 largely because of his 70Kg skinny frame. Mac Andrew is a lot taller but is now 80kg …. so if he’s available at our first pick bypass him at our peril.


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If Mac Andrew is available and it says on their little magnet board that he is the best rated player still left in the draft, then he gets selected. End of story. Doesn't matter if he's not a midfielder and might take a few years of development. Arguing for picking best available and then ignoring him would be like supporting free speech only when you agree with what is being said.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

They won't have the chance to pass on Callighan. There is I guess a small chance he gets passed on by both GWS and Suns, highly doubt it though. But I guess it's fun to speculate on this possibilty Ward gets to pick 9. A slider happens every year.
We'll get a better idea on how loud the jungle drums are with him in the few days before the draft.

How many mids do both need?
Suns still have Hollands up their sleeve but pretty bare Kpd wise.Gws pretty much the same kp wise.
Be interesting draft night that's for sure.

 

[sregit]

Hawks won't pass up on Callaghan if he's still on the table.
Crows are very keen on Rachele.
Freo will take a local.
Hobbs is for the now(next year) whereas Ward is seen as for the future with abit more upside than Hobbs.
Would be ideal to get both and while developing Ward we can get a clearer picture on the likes of RCD/Dow & Martyn.

I would really like Hawthorn to be able to get a deal done with GWS for Callaghan I.e somehow get pick 2. That would then most likely drop Ward or Hobbs to our pick without us having to swap with anyone.

 

[Jungle Noise]

I would really like Hawthorn to be able to get a deal done with GWS for Callaghan I.e somehow get pick 2. That would then most likely drop Ward or Hobbs to our pick without us having to swap with anyone.

Yes agree. Would love to have a pick between Hobb and Ward. If that’s the case I am selecting Ward . Much better kick thinks he’s way out of traffic.
Hobb is more of a bull let’s get the ball out . O m o


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