List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

[Lore]

 

[bc27]

This is really confusing when you consider Richmond traded #38+#40+F3 for pick #27 then to take a kid that's name has not even been mentioned anywhere i have heard or read in the last 3-4 months with pick #26 or #27

I'm thinking we could have just traded out #38 and kept F3 and just selected him with our pick #40

Soligo has been mentioned in most drafts? Mostly between the 25-40 range. The kid is highly talented and has extremely good skills on both sides of his body and has a lot of c u next Tuesday about him. Was super impressive in his vfl game and would be a quietly handy pick up at any of the picks in 20’s we have. Reminds me of a Devon Smith.
Try not getting ya kickers in a knot until you see any of these lads play

 

[Cotchy9]

Soligo had 16 touches in his VFL game with us. Decent first up

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

If we choose Gibcus and Hobbs falls to ******* Essendon I will quit football.

No you won't while Dusty is still playing.

 

[Cotchy9]

Surely the club know it’s a good chance we can land Gibcus and then trade hard for Hobbs/Ward/Erasmus/Johnson

 

[Lsta062]

Bruuuuh if Richmond don’t get a tall mid or a contested beast in this draft… it’s like some phantom drafts are specifically trying to screw Richmond up.

If Matt Johnson or Erasmus are on the board, then just select them. Hobbs is also fine with his contested ability.

 

[docko911]

Would love to see us go hard if the chips fall our way we have got two future 2nds and a future 1st to play with alongside our existing picks. Now is the perfect time to find young stars as the $$$ to pay them when they start reaching their prime will be available as we see the retirements of some club champions.

 

[bc27]

Would love to see us go hard if the chips fall our way we have got two future 2nds and a future 1st to play with alongside our existing picks. Now is the perfect time to find young stars as the $$$ to pay them when they start reaching their prime will be available as we see the retirements of some club champions.

The talk is a tigers and crows deal for 4 & 33 for 7 & 26 could be on the cards.

I don’t know if crows accept it but if tigers are all in on Hobbs and Rachele can slide to 7 then I think both clubs are happy to get their man and crows move up 7 places.

 

[tigs2010]

The talk is a tigers and crows deal for 4 & 33 for 7 & 26 could be on the cards.

I don’t know if crows accept it but if tigers are all in on Hobbs and Rachele can slide to 7 then I think both clubs are happy to get their man and crows move up 7 places.

I think we would be pushing that deal to get Ward by leapfrogging the Hawks.

 

[fargothegreat]

Soligo has been mentioned in most drafts? Mostly between the 25-40 range. The kid is highly talented and has extremely good skills on both sides of his body and has a lot of c u next Tuesday about him. Was super impressive in his vfl game and would be a quietly handy pick up at any of the picks in 20’s we have. Reminds me of a Devon Smith.
Try not getting ya kickers in a knot until you see any of these lads play

Haven't seen him play, but reading his draft profile gives me Liam Baker vibes.

 

[Lord of the Wings]

I think we would be pushing that deal to get Ward by leapfrogging the Hawks.

Nope - Rachele

 

[Sir_Loin]

I saw highlights of Sonsie playing VFL and he looked great. Bombing goals on the run from outside 50

I remember Conor Menadue’s junior highlights showing the same thing

 

[PetterdHoisted]

You can go back in almost every draft and the player taken at #1 rarely turns out to be the best player of the draft; albeit a good player.

Does that mean that team has failed?

Higgins was rated a top talent, fell on draft night and despite a significant brain injury, has still had a very handy career to date.

None of those players for memory were rated higher than Higgins at the time. Three were mature age players, at least two had significant go home factors (Ryan and Kelly) and if you believe the talk at the time; West Coast selected Allen at that pick as they thought we would take him at our next pick.

Of course there will be players that turn out better than those picked above them. A draft can’t predict how players develop in a system, in a different environment with different opportunities.

That doesn’t constitute a ‘fail’ or a ‘mare’. That’s just reality.

The issue with Higgo was that he was highly rated but thought to be already at his ceiling, which was spot on in hindsight.

you and I could pick the guy with the highest champions data points pre-draft, and sleep pretty well afterwards too.Safe pick.

It wasn’t a ‘look into the future’ pick where selectors should be making their money, because that’swhere the risk and the value is.

but he was a decent pick for us and we’ll always have that goal against the Pies.

 

[Old M8]

The talk is a tigers and crows deal for 4 & 33 for 7 & 26 could be on the cards.

I don’t know if crows accept it but if tigers are all in on Hobbs and Rachele can slide to 7 then I think both clubs are happy to get their man and crows move up 7 places.

7 & 26 alone probably wouldn’t get pick 4, so that’s definitely BS

 

[Sir_Loin]

Bruuuuh if Richmond don’t get a tall mid or a contested beast in this draft… it’s like some phantom drafts are specifically trying to screw Richmond up.

If Matt Johnson or Erasmus are on the board, then just select them. Hobbs is also fine with his contested ability.

we won’t need an inside mid if we don’t change our game style. Our first pick is going to tell us a lot

 

[Profop]

I remember Conor Menadue’s junior highlights showing the same thing

Sonsie looks like he has the frame to put on enough weight to match it on the inside though. Menadue was always going to struggle with that aspect.

 

[Rubber Hips]

So when is this mythical draft?

10:20

 

[M0557]

Big chance to get both Hobbs and Gibcus if we get creative I reckon

Wonder if we can do a deal to grab Freo's 2nd pick, straight after ours.
Gibcus - Hobbs combo.
Draft win.

Would have to pay overs but if you can lure those 2 I think it's a very good investment.....

 

[GoTigers2015]

I remember Conor Menadue’s junior highlights showing the same thing

Amongst Sonsie's strengths are his contested possession and clearances. Not even a close comparison.

 

[Grrr]

If Gibcus slides we would almost be stupid not to take him
We need key position players as badly as Mids Tarrant is just a stop gap and Grimes isn’t getting any younger

We need tall backs so badly, we have one under 30 Balta and he could play anywhere and still be a star. We have a couple of ruffies in Miller and Biggy.
Mids we have Stack (played a mid all his junior career), Bolton, RCD, Ross, Dow, Cumberland and Martyn. Sure we can do with another, but we have 4 more picks after pick 9 (Gibcus), surely on or two of them will join the group.

Would be so pissed off if we gave up the best young key back in the land for a mid who might be marginally better than another we pick up 6 spots later.

Shocked when we picked up CCJones in front of Balta, thank god that worked out but Balta was always going to be a player.

 

[RockJobster0312]

The issue with Higgo was that he was highly rated but thought to be already at his ceiling, which was spot on in hindsight.

you and I could pick the guy with the highest champions data points pre-draft, and sleep pretty well afterwards too.Safe pick.

It wasn’t a ‘look into the future’ pick where selectors should be making their money, because that’swhere the risk and the value is.

but he was a decent pick for us and we’ll always have that goal against the Pies.

I can certainly see that argument; and it certainly isn’t an invalid one.

Every draft has those guys (Jack Graham, Devon Robertson. Could potentially argue that guy is Ben Hobbs this year) and it always comes down to at what point do you bank on what you know versus what could be. That will be different between teams and different between drafts.

Essentially, its risk versus reward.

This is where I feel we diverge. You say it wasn’t a ‘look to the future’ pick. That’s fair enough, I certainly won’t argue against there being higher reward guys in that draft. But those that were (Ryan, Kelly [go home factor], Powell [physical questions/ chance of reaching ceiling]) were all high risk.

It can be reasonably argued that you’re not ‘looking to the future’ by drafting guys that won’t be on your list in two years (I’m not lost on the irony saying that in a discussion around Jack Higgins) due to either wanting to go home, or by not reaching the level require than by drafting a lower risk but lower ceiling guy.

I’m not necessarily saying that Higgins was the right pick, but I’m definitely arguing that (at the time and without the benefit of hindsight), it wasn’t the wrong pick.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Amongst Sonsie's strengths are his contested possession and clearances. Not even a close comparison.

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Was talking about his offence and bombing them in. Apologies if this offended you

 

[GoTigers2015]

His disposal rated elite.

Was talking about his offence and bombing them in. Apologies if this offended you

 

[PetterdHoisted]

I can certainly see that argument; and it certainly isn’t an invalid one.

Every draft has those guys (Jack Graham, Devon Robertson. Could potentially argue that guy is Ben Hobbs this year) and it always comes down to at what point do you bank on what you know versus what could be. That will be different between teams and different between drafts.

Essentially, its risk versus reward.

This is where I feel we diverge. You say it wasn’t a ‘look to the future’ pick. That’s fair enough, I certainly won’t argue against there being higher reward guys in that draft. But those that were (Ryan, Kelly [go home factor], Powell [physical questions/ chance of reaching ceiling]) were all high risk.

It can be reasonably argued that you’re not ‘looking to the future’ by drafting guys that won’t be on your list in two years (I’m not lost on the irony saying that in a discussion around Jack Higgins) due to either wanting to go home, or by not reaching the level require than by drafting a lower risk but lower ceiling guy.

I’m not necessarily saying that Higgins was the right pick, but I’m definitely arguing that (at the time and without the benefit of hindsight), it wasn’t the wrong pick.

yeah you can't really knock picking a relatively known quantity that is pretty good, you want good players, probably the main knock is they go close to where they are supposed to go in the draft so you pay full price. They would rarely be a 'bargain' but Jack Graham probably was.

 

[Muddiemoose]

We need tall backs so badly, we have one under 30 Balta and he could play anywhere and still be a star. We have a couple of ruffies in Miller and Biggy.
Mids we have Stack (played a mid all his junior career), Bolton, RCD, Ross, Dow, Cumberland and Martyn. Sure we can do with another, but we have 4 more picks after pick 9 (Gibcus), surely on or two of them will join the group.

Would be so pissed off if we gave up the best young key back in the land for a mid who might be marginally better than another we pick up 6 spots later.

Shocked when we picked up CCJones in front of Balta, thank god that worked out but Balta was always going to be a player.

Yeah 100% I can’t say I’ve been following this draft class as long as previous years but the last few weeks I’ve really started to take notice.
If Gibcus is on the table at our first pick we need to pull the trigger, like you mentioned our Key position depth isn’t great at all where our midfield have a few guys that although unproven are at the point where they are ready to step up

Gibcus also looks promising as a forward as well going off his Rookie Central profile
Perfect replacement for Grimes or even Jack if they are right about his potential to play forward

 

[GoTigers2015]

Matt Clarke suggesting that we could move a second rounder back in the draft if there a group of players that we rate at the back end of the draft.
This will give us more currency in next year's draft which he says also looks strong.

One possibly pick 28 to Essendon for their future 2nd round pick + 51/56

The pick in the 50's will move to the early 40s with f/s and academy bids.