List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

[Lore]

 

[Mr Magic]

Sounds like the logical fit but their supporters want two mids instead

Even Essendon posters encouraging them to use a later pick for Conway

 

[Marcel Proust]

None of those are wingers either. Ralphsmith to me looks like a half forward, Caddy is a forward, Pickett more forward but has skill to be a handyman and McIntosh is more a wingman/back hybrid.

We are talking about improving performance to get a edge in different ways to win premierships so it might seem minor but every difference matters

The won a couple flags on a wing didn't they? That's pretty close to being wingers

 

[Mr Magic]

The won a couple flags on a wing didn't they? That's pretty close to being wingers

nah, just means they can play at the level and fit in a structure. Structures change though as do the opposition.

Look at Ed Curnow, played 200 games and was not a world beater not that everyone has to be

 

[Marcel Proust]

nah, just means they can play at the level and fit in a structure. Structures change though as do the opposition

Pickett is more an inside mid ideally but pretty harsh on macca not calling him a wing.

B Ellis is the more pure wing but I wasn't a fan of his style

 

[Mr Magic]

Pickett is more an inside mid ideally but pretty harsh on macca not calling him a wing.

B Ellis is the more pure wing but I wasn't a fan of his style

Na Macca is loved and valued on the wing. I am just saying he is not invincible.

Ellis was okay but his height and kicking limited him and he lacked a leap. Compare Ellis to Sinn in terms of possibilities and both where similar picks highlighting the strength of this draft.

See McIntosh helps defensively as a wingman because of his size on the wing, its hard to outbustle him one on one in open space ignoring back half contributions

 

[juss]

Why do you think we need another tall at the moment? Whatever forward comes will be behind Lynch and JR.

At least Bazzo could play a few roles.

Aymiss would not have been any good for us either. He looks like a stand alone FF which is fine but our forward line is not designed that way.

We need versatile talls and I am so glad we got a big leaper who is not too tall in Gibcus being 196 cm because it means we can lay off the ruck hybrid types and let Ryan and others like Biggy develop at their own pace and find there own roles. Gibcus can be a bit more mobile than a stiffer taller type and contribute in other ways. I like how Gibcus holds the ball closer to his foot at the drop of the ball in his kicking to

We have zero pure KPFs developing behind the likely final year of Jack Riewoldt.

Given KPFs aren't guns in year one, we need to have them 2-3 years in advance.
The loss of Chol and CCJ hit us hard in this area, as CCJ was potentially that player.

We are going to be short KPFs unless we draft one this year, or trade/FA one end of next year.

 

[Mr Magic]

We have zero pure KPFs developing behind the likely final year of Jack Riewoldt.

Given KPFs aren't guns in year one, we need to have them 2-3 years in advance.
The loss of Chol and CCJ hit us hard in this area, as CCJ was potentially that player.

We are going to be short KPFs unless we draft one this year, or trade/FA one end of next year.

They have to be good enough which they not shown to be the case for me.

I do not think there are obvious stars outside the top 25-26 in this draft in any position. Thats why I think we should trade up even if we only pick 3.

There might be some under the radar X-factor types hidden of course I am not aware of.

Someone will draft Williams and it will be interesting how he progresses, but not for me. Rather take a punt on a Taylor who is small but can use both feet and nip in here and there or even a Roberts who may end up a solid contributor week in week out without being flashy

 

[Profop]

Sounds like the logical fit but their supporters want two mids instead

People talk about our aging midfield and lack of depth but Geelong is in a much worse position in that regard. Their midfielders are just as old if not older than ours and they really haven't had many kids get a taste for the AFL in that position compared to us.

 

[Marcel Proust]

People talk about our aging midfield and lack of depth but Geelong is in a much worse position in that regard. Their midfielders are just as old if not older than ours and they really haven't had many kids get a taste for the AFL in that position compared to us.

They have 3 young rucks and 2 old ones too. Doubt they take Conway

 

[cairo tiger]

Howes is still available and has the right skillset to be a wingman for us.

dick Clay?

 

[freezer]

Its good the Hawks and Cats have two picks. Hawks already got Ward, so you think they'd go for a fwd/mid with one pick. Cats surely Conway or Bazzo with one of theirs? They need a ruck and they haven't replaced Harry Taylor, with their backline a big weakness.

That leaves in the 8 other picks including our 3:
Johnson
Sonsie
Goater
Howes
Draper
Taylor
Macdonald
Knevitt
Butler or Motlop

Very happy with any three of those

If Butler (Hawks), Motlop (North), Conway or Bazzo go before us then we are guaranteed to get 3 of Johnson, Sonsie, Goater, Howes, Draper, MacDonald, Taylor.

Even if every pick before us is a pure mid, there are still going to be some very talented and in demand kids left, so we could grab a decent mid, Butler and trade our final pick for something decent next year.

If there are a couple of bolters outside of the above mentioned players, we could be looking really, really good for mids.

We've shored up our defence for the next decade and with our current draft hand I'm very happy with where we are

 

[energyquant]

Cheers.

Your reply is more than good but, I dunno, don't you think a gun midfielder in the top-10 has the potential to step straight into the best 22? Look at Port when they grabbed Rozee, Butters and Duursma in the same draft, they were transformed from a middling side into a real threat. Draft a quality kid and they can instantly improve you. You typically get that kind of player in the top 10, maybe top 15, but outside that then it's not as often. Hobbs is in that kind of category (assumption only, who actually knows how good he is or will be). Richmond has also shown in previous years that our first pick almost always ends up in the 22 in their first year. RCD is a pick 20 and so far has shown himself to be just okay, so it's hard to see him improving us next year.

I just think that for the future we need basically everything, we need mids just as much as we need defenders so Gibcus or Hobbs would have been just as good as each other to build for the future, but for the now, a midfielder like Hobbs would have slotted straight in.

Our focus isn't just on 2022 but we still clearly think we can contend in 2022 so it's part of the focus (hence Tarrant), and we clearly need some improvement in the midfield, some real gun quality that we don't seem to have in the cupboard behind our ageing stars, if indeed we want to improve on 2021. We couldn't afford Tom Mitchell, we weren't prepared to trade our picks and he would have cost too much salary.

Anyway, it's done now.

I hear you. I'm just not sure Hobbs in 2022 wins contested ball against Clayton Oliver or Oliver Wines. Here's hoping for Tom Green and RCD in 2023

 

[Marcel Proust]

Draftguru has been updated.

Tom Brown	30 Jul 03	18yr	186cm	77kg	0	0	0	0	0	0	Mooroopna/Geelong Grammar/Murray U18	#17 National 2021
		Josh Gibcus	4 Apr 03	19yr	196cm	87kg	0	0	0	0	0	0	East Point/St Patrick's College/North Ballarat U18	#9 National 2021
49		Maurice Rioli	9 Jan 02	20yr	179cm	75kg	2	2	0	0	0	0	St Marys/Scotch College	#51 National 2020
45		Hugo Ralphsmith	9 Nov 01	20yr	186cm	70kg	6	3	0	0	0	0	East Brighton/Haileybury College/Sandringham U18	#46 National 2019
27		Thomson Dow	16 Oct 01	20yr	182cm	72kg

 

[Marcel Proust]

Its good the Hawks and Cats have two picks. Hawks already got Ward, so you think they'd go for a fwd/mid with one pick. Cats surely Conway or Bazzo with one of theirs? They need a ruck and they haven't replaced Harry Taylor, with their backline a big weakness.

That leaves in the 8 other picks including our 3:
Johnson
Sonsie
Goater
Howes
Draper
Taylor
Macdonald
Knevitt
Butler or Motlop

Very happy with any three of those

If Butler (Hawks), Motlop (North), Conway or Bazzo go before us then we are guaranteed to get 3 of Johnson, Sonsie, Goater, Howes, Draper, MacDonald, Taylor.

Even if every pick before us is a pure mid, there are still going to be some very talented and in demand kids left, so we could grab a decent mid, Butler and trade our final pick for something decent next year.

If there are a couple of bolters outside of the above mentioned players, we could be looking really, really good for mids.

We've shored up our defence for the next decade and with our current draft hand I'm very happy with where we are

Bazzo to Carlton or norf...

 

[Grrr]

We do not have great wingman.

McIntosh gets a gig because he is one of the few that can contest on a number of levels, has the running power and help in defence etc.. Pickett is not a wingman, I think he is more a half forward if anything.

Good wingers are supposed to kick goals for starters like richo, Lids, help in defence like Bowden or help in the guts like Campbell

I agree. Mac does a better job than is given credit for, but that is mainly due to his running and straight ahead play, a bit like old Dippa from years past. I think Pickett is pretty good to but lets himself down with some clangers. But they are not stars that's for sure.

We have not had an A grade winger for years so would love to see Brown play a wing. Seems to have a lot of class, is good in the air, and looks an excellent kick. Just because he hasn't played in the guts for the Bushrangers doesn't mean he didn't play there as a junior, for all we know. So he might have that ability.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Conway to Geelong?

I think they can wait until their pick #32 to take Conway as there is no other team that would take him before 30
Motlop/Bazzo are the 2 players that could go in the picks prior to Richmond

 

[Marcel Proust]

I think they can wait until their pick #32 to take Conway as there is no other team that would take him before 30
Motlop/Bazzo are the 2 players that could go in the picks prior to Richmond

Do u want bazzo?

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Bazzo to Carlton or norf...

Bazzo to Carlton , Dean to North with their 30's pick

 

[Marcel Proust]

Bazzo to Carlton , Dean to North with their 30's pick

Norf might go bazzo. They seem upset Tarrant walked

Carlton otherwise for Jones

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Do u want bazzo?

If we get 2 mids like Goater,Sonsie,Johnson,MacDonald then i would be happy to take Bazzo
We will have depth in defence and if either Bazzo/Gibcus has foward craft that could give us good flexibility combined with Balta

 

[sanaya]

Its good the Hawks and Cats have two picks. Hawks already got Ward, so you think they'd go for a fwd/mid with one pick. Cats surely Conway or Bazzo with one of theirs? They need a ruck and they haven't replaced Harry Taylor, with their backline a big weakness.

That leaves in the 8 other picks including our 3:
Johnson
Sonsie
Goater
Howes
Draper
Taylor
Macdonald
Knevitt
Butler or Motlop

Very happy with any three of those

If Butler (Hawks), Motlop (North), Conway or Bazzo go before us then we are guaranteed to get 3 of Johnson, Sonsie, Goater, Howes, Draper, MacDonald, Taylor.

Even if every pick before us is a pure mid, there are still going to be some very talented and in demand kids left, so we could grab a decent mid, Butler and trade our final pick for something decent next year.

If there are a couple of bolters outside of the above mentioned players, we could be looking really, really good for mids.

We've shored up our defence for the next decade and with our current draft hand I'm very happy with where we are

unfortunately i don't see a reason that geelong would pick conway before our picks, after our 3 picks there's west coast and then geelongs turn again. i don't think we'll be taking a ruck (but who knows), ditto west coast, if anything they might go for williams as a kpf.

unless hawthorn/carlton are a threat? not sure of their ruck stocks atm


after looking at hawks stocks, looks like they have 3 rucks 30 years+ and one 23 year old. so maybe they're a chance with their 2nd or even 1st pick?

 

[Marcel Proust]

unfortunately i don't see a reason that geelong would pick conway before our picks, after our 3 picks there's west coast and then geelongs turn again. i don't think we'll be taking a ruck (but who knows), ditto west coast, if anything they might go for williams as a kpf.
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Williams is an interesting option.

If he comes good Gibcus and Williams solves a lot of problems long term.

If we get 2 mids like Goater,Sonsie,Johnson,MacDonald then i would be happy to take Bazzo
We will have depth in defence and if either Bazzo/Gibcus has foward craft that could give us good flexibility combined with Balta

Want Williams?

I know the gun was high on van Rooyen

 

[sanaya]

Williams is an interesting option.

If he comes good Gibcus and Williams solves a lot of problems long term.



Want Williams?

I know the gun was high on van Rooyen

willing to let another team take a punt on williams, i don't think he offers anything for us long term, has no real point of difference. would rather take bazzo and let gibcus play up fwd with his leap, do a naughton

 

[Marcel Proust]

willing to let another team take a punt on williams, i don't think he offers anything for us long term, has no real point of difference. would rather take bazzo and let gibcus play up fwd with his leap, do a naughton

Seems a bit early to try turn Gibcus into a forward?

Bazzo will be gone by 28 I reckon sadly

 

[Charlie Pannam]

We have zero pure KPFs developing behind the likely final year of Jack Riewoldt.

Given KPFs aren't guns in year one, we need to have them 2-3 years in advance.
The loss of Chol and CCJ hit us hard in this area, as CCJ was potentially that player.

We are going to be short KPFs unless we draft one this year, or trade/FA one end of next year.

It’ll be interesting to see if we take a tall based on needs/list balance or just go best talent.
X3 2R picks gives you some leeway but they’re good picks so you don’t really want to be reaching. Maybe Williams if he’s still there