List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

[Lore]

 

[bc27]

That's not Twomey's Phantom draft, it's his power ratings.
Given that Amiss, Van Rooyen & Williams seem to be the only decent KPF they could all go earlier than otherwise rated.
Freo supporters seem to think they will take Amiss with pick 8. Might even be with pick 6 if they get that from Carlton for Cerra if they think we are interested with 7.
Assuming we keep our pick 7, it's going to be very interesting who could be available and who we take.... Amiss? Gibcus? Hobbs, Erasmus, Ward? Mac Andrew?At least one of those will be available.

If freo are looking to go with amiss at 6 or 8 then beat of luck to them. He looked slightly one dimensional and 6,7 or 8 would seem slightly high. The best available mid would be my guess for our pick 7. Hobbs, Ward, Erasmus, Sinn and Rachele would be the 5 I think they would be looking at.

 

[smurfin]

If freo are looking to go with amiss at 6 or 8 then beat of luck to them. He looked slightly one dimensional and 6,7 or 8 would seem slightly high. The best available mid would be my guess for our pick 7. Hobbs, Ward, Erasmus, Sinn and Rachele would be the 5 I think they would be looking at.

A lot of the Phantom Drafters have us taking Mac Andrews with one of our first rounders.
When challenged that he is not the type we need, they state that any team with 2 first rounders would use at least one on best available - and feel that will be him.

 

[4tune8]

A lot of the Phantom Drafters have us taking Mac Andrews with one of our first rounders.
When challenged that he is not the type we need, they state that any team with 2 first rounders would use at least one on best available - and feel that will be him.

I would think that Biggy is our Mac Andrews

 

[sregit]

If freo are looking to go with amiss at 6 or 8 then beat of luck to them. He looked slightly one dimensional and 6,7 or 8 would seem slightly high. The best available mid would be my guess for our pick 7. Hobbs, Ward, Erasmus, Sinn and Rachele would be the 5 I think they would be looking at.

I don't think Amiss is top 10 value. I'd rather gibcus, ward or Hobbs if one of these is available at our pick 7. Otherwise Erasmus looked very good in the game earlier in the year (AUS TAC V Geelong reserves),when most other kids were totally outclassed. Erasmus is a ready to go player.

Best available midfielder left with the cats pick.

Hopefully at least one of Williams or JVR are still available with a second rounder. I'd prefer Williams, I thought he offered more than Amiss in the SA V WA game.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

I know Mac Andrew excites people thoughts on what he may become im not sure we can risk our first top 10 in 10 years with a speculative pick
Based on twomeys top 30
7- Erasmus
16-Vav Royen
26 - Goater
28 - Bazzo
40 - Long
44 - Knevit

 

[Morro]

A lot of the Phantom Drafters have us taking Mac Andrews with one of our first rounders.
When challenged that he is not the type we need, they state that any team with 2 first rounders would use at least one on best available - and feel that will be him.

NO chance we waste a top 10 pick on a ruck, zero chance.

 

[bc27]

A lot of the Phantom Drafters have us taking Mac Andrews with one of our first rounders.
When challenged that he is not the type we need, they state that any team with 2 first rounders would use at least one on best available - and feel that will be him.

I can’t see Tigers going for a ruckman that early. We have 5 ruckman on the list under the age of 27. The fact we will have at least 4 of them vying for a spot in the 22 every week next season and the next couple after that, would mean we would have a top 10 pick wasting away in the vfl for 3-4 years.
The only way they look at Andrew is if he is a legitimate once in ageneration type athlete.
chol 24
Coleman-Jones 22
Nank 27
Soldo 25
Colina 22 (rookie)

 

[YeOldTiger]

If pick 6 (8) goes to Freo in the Cerra deal it's going to be fascinating to see how they play it out as they also have their own first at 8 (10) with our 7 (9) sandwiched in between.

I believe they'd want Erasmus (ready to go replacement for Cerra in some ways) and Amiss as their top 2 picks. That means either Erasmus or Amiss potentially fall into our lap before Freo get their second pick (with the Eagles another two picks later looking on) if we consider one of them the best player available at our pick.

All of this is on the assumption that Hobbs (the best pure inside mid) and Ward (perhaps the best all round mid outside the top couple) have already gone.

The one I keep coming back to is Josh Rachele. Although he's a small forward (180cm) he can also run through the middle, has huge XFactor, is arguably the best kick in the draft and has many speculating that he might end up the best player in the draft. I think Daics might have something to say about that however. He might just be a Toby Green in waiting (the player he bases his game on) and has clear leadership potential. I doubt he will still be there at our second pick (unless Geelong fluff their lines again this week).

Mac Andrew is interesting, but only if we see him as a potential KP. Is he a genuine ruck or a possible Max King

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? I just can't see us going with him when you look at Soldo coming back and all our talls being very young and developing already.

There was one tall mid who really stood out in the recent WA/SA game and that was Mathew Johnson, 192 cm classy onballer. Other mids in contention for our second pick would be Josh Goater, Nas Wanganeen-Milera (all class) and for a pure, bustling inside mid Matty Roberts (geez he reminds me of Matty Knights).

If we go tall then Jack Williams (a big diesel engine), Jacob van Rooyen (athletic) and Rhett Bazzo (intercepting one grabber Grimes type replacement) would all fit the bill in one way or another. Ferres for SA shows potential too as a later pick.

Let's hope the Championships see at least a few more games so we can watch the future now.

 

[tiger_tough]

Hope we stay away from Mac Andrew and any other project players for that matter. Ironically he sounds like a perfect pick for the Dees where he could develop in the VFL for 3 years and learn from Gawn before Jackson takes over.

It'd be nice if we could pick up a couple of ready made kids that could have impact early for a change. Other than Graham I can't remember the last. Broad maybe? But he was mature age...

 

[YeOldTiger]

Hope we stay away from Mac Andrew and any other project players for that matter. Ironically he sounds like a perfect pick for the Dees where he could develop in the VFL for 3 years and learn from Gawn before Jackson takes over.

It'd be nice if we could pick up a couple of ready made kids that could have impact early for a change. Other than Graham I can't remember the last. Broad maybe? But he was mature age...

This bloke looks ready made. Natural footballer:

 

[YeOldTiger]

If we're looking for excellent ball users with our second pick:

 

[YeOldTiger]

If Caddy leaves we may lack a mid sized forward threat. Good option as a late pickup perhaps:

 

[tugga]

Mac Andrew isn't an out and out ruckman.
He is more a key defensive player? I'll bow to others better judgement on that,

 

[tigs2010]

Mac Andrew isn't an out and out ruckman.
He is more a key defensive player? I'll bow to others better judgement on that,

Forward/2nd ruck I think he's been playing for VC.

Leek Alleer is the Sudanese kid playing KPD in SA.

 

[G String]

This bloke looks ready made. Natural footballer:
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Travis Boak type

 

[YeOldTiger]

Travis Boak type

He's a left footer who I reckon looks and plays like Matty Knights. If he was half as good...

 

[Tortured Tiger]

This bloke looks ready made. Natural footballer:
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Yes Roberts does look like a footballer rather than an athlete, looked a bit slow on the weekend but if he lost a couple of kilos and improved his fitness he appears to have some good traits to develop. He could be player that drops in the rankings and is good value for whoever picks him up.

 

[G String]

Yes Roberts does look like a footballer rather than an athlete, looked a bit slow on the weekend but if he lost a couple of kilos and improved his fitness he appears to have some good traits to develop. He could be player that drops in the rankings and is good value for whoever picks him up.

yeah likely slider if he looks slow - clubs putting a priority on speed. Agree he could be value - there'll always be a place for Pendles, Boak types if they're good enough and have speed around them

 

[Hamsatma]

Yes Roberts does look like a footballer rather than an athlete, looked a bit slow on the weekend but if he lost a couple of kilos and improved his fitness he appears to have some good traits to develop. He could be player that drops in the rankings and is good value for whoever picks him up.

If geelong lose this week there's a fair chance we could grab him with our second pick. Roberts and someone like erasmus would be a massive midfield haul

 

[Dr Tigris]

If geelong lose this week there's a fair chance we could grab him with our second pick. Roberts and someone like erasmus would be a massive midfield haul

That's what I'd love - 2 top end mids for a decade. Build around that core. And build that in an elite successful environment. Smooth transition from this contending team to a new contending team.

 

[G String]

That's what I'd love - 2 top end mids for a decade. Build around that core. And build that in an elite successful environment. Smooth transition from this contending team to a new contending team.

It'll be interesting to see whether we go 2 out and out midfielders (eg Ward, Hobbs, Roberts etc) - with our first 2. It feels like there are few options and players that offer some point of difference/utility types - eg Goater, Sinn, Callaghan or mid/forwards like Rachele, MacDonald, Sonsie, Draper - I would like us to stay ahead of the curve if possible and draft a mix of players - I think we need maybe one vanilla midfielder type but then a player that provide different strengths - a bit of x factor

I look at Ports draft haul from a couple of years back and Essendons last year and I think they broke the mold a bit by drafting kids that offer real differences - I never thought Rossee, Dursma etc would have been so good or Cox, perkins etc - but they play there own way and have provided Port with a lot of x factor to go with their stock standard midfielders - these players set them up to change the game and provide a playing style different

 

[juss]

I don't think Amiss is top 10 value. I'd rather gibcus, ward or Hobbs if one of these is available at our pick 7. Otherwise Erasmus looked very good in the game earlier in the year (AUS TAC V Geelong reserves),when most other kids were totally outclassed. Erasmus is a ready to go player.

Best available midfielder left with the cats pick.

Hopefully at least one of Williams or JVR are still available with a second rounder. I'd prefer Williams, I thought he offered more than Amiss in the SA V WA game.

Pick 7 is likely to be about the 9th player picked, I think Erasmus might be gone. Would be my first choice though if he's there.
With our pick 15-18 from Geelong, that's where I'd pull the trigger on the KPF like Amiss or Van Rooyen.

(Unless someone else really highly rated slides unexpectedly and is available)

 

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Scouting Notes from AFL Draft Central

WA Kids

#23 Matthew Johnson (Subiaco)

The highly touted WA midfielder showed exactly why he is in first round consideration with a skilful display. Whilst Johnson isn’t the fastest player going around, his decision making and evasion in traffic gives him more than enough tools to appear quicker than most opponents, able to spot out a target in the thick of things and execute the skill well. Johnson’s work-rate meant that he was always a chance to impact the play, going in to win it himself or working hard forward of the ball to provide an option, then following up with clean ball use to keep WA going forward. That same work-rate saw Johnson impact inside his defensive 50 more than most other midfielders and worked it out well. When Johnson had the ball he more often than not looked to move it into the corridor to open up the forward 50 for his side.


#29 Jacob van Rooyen (Claremont)

After making a name for himself as a tall forward option over the past couple of years, van Rooyen has been playing in defence at state level recently, continuing his development in the role with an impressive display. van Rooyen was rarely beaten through the contest, able to spoil the ball when caught behind his opponent, but more often bodying his opponent to protect the drop zone and take the mark. van Rooyen’s disposal was good throughout the game, looking to use it safely out of the defensive 50 but aggressively when going into the forward half. His defensive work-rate stopped a few promising SA plays, working hard to impact the ball on the goal line early on in the game, and then building more confidence to leave his opponent and take marks in front of packs, or fill the hole in defence to take marks from rushed kicks further up the ground.

#30 Jye Amiss (East Perth)

Amiss had an outstanding display, with his two-goal first half particularly impressive. His opening major was the first of the game, where he was held without the ball in a pack inside 50, earning a free kick and kicking well from straight in front. His second was arguably the highlight of the day, collecting a half-volley along the boundary line inside 50, where he took a couple of steps to balance and slotted the goal from about 40 out. Apart from two goals, Amiss showed off his danger on the lead, where he managed to get separation from his opponents easily and held the ball out in front, more often than not looking to pass it off to a teammate leading towards him or hand it off to a runner if he was further up the ground. In keeping teammates involved, he ultimately sacrificed what could’ve been a four or five goal game. It was promising to see Amiss actively look to push up the ground and take marks on the wings, keeping the SA defence guessing and allowing other teammates to be the main target inside 50 at times.


#36 Rhett Bazzo (Swan Districts)

This was somewhat a breakout performance for Bazzo, showing off his reading of the game by taking plenty of intercept marks, but also able to drift across the front of packs and take marks out in front, quickly playing on with the ball. Bazzo more often than not looked to switch the ball across the 50 when he won it, putting it in front of his teammates so they could keep running after they had taken the mark. Bazzo was also confident when pushing up the ground, providing as an option in the corridor, even earning himself a free kick and 25m penalty, unfortunately unable to convert the goal from 50 out, although this was one of very few blemishes on his long kicking with his kick ins from SA behinds often getting distance and kick starting offensive plays. What was arguably most impressive from Bazzo was his two way running, where he’d push back hard when SA won the ball to impact contests inside 50, even spoiling a ball right on the goal line.


#43 Jack Williams (East Fremantle)

Struggling in front of goal for the day, Williams still looked a dangerous option in the forward 50 where his strength was too much for the SA defenders to handle at times, taking contested marks without really looking challenged. That same strength gave him an advantage when he took ruck contests inside 50, pushing opponents out of the way and taking the ball himself or tapping it straight down in front of a teammate. Williams’ work-rate in the forward half can’t be overstated, consistently providing repeat leads and drawing an opponent to free up space for a teammate to lead into. He did get himself on the scoreboard to reward his efforts, pushing an opponent under the ball and taking it over his head, slotting a goal from right in front about 35 out.

SA Kids

#13 Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera (Glenelg)

Wanganeen-Milera was clearly South Australia’s best player in the tough loss. One of few to show poise and execute under pressure, the Glenelg teenager looked up to the level immediately. The wingman used the ball intelligently and his work under pressure was outstanding. Whilst many of his teammates appeared rushed and fumbly as WA brought the heat, Wanganeen-Milera read the game well, moved like a Rolls Royce, made the correct decisions and showed off a couple of nice tricks under duress. He was crunched by WA star Jye Amiss in the final term when going back with the flight of the ball, and was forced to leave the field, but later returned to bravely run out the match. Perhaps one of the only South Australian’s whose draft stocks will have risen after his performance, Wanganeen-Milera appears likely to feature in first round calculations on draft night after a classy display.


#18 Arlo Draper (South Adelaide)

Top ten pick candidate Arlo Draper showed patches of class and was among South Australia’s best players at Lathlain Park. Draper split his time between the half-forward line and the midfield, as he has done all season. He was a marking target in attack and moved well in-traffic in the midfield. He was classy with his disposal by hand and foot and demonstrating some stoppage smarts to win a couple of clearances. In the final term, Draper expertly outbodied his opponent and took an easy mark before booting the first goal of the final quarter. He could have added a second with a set-shot after winning a high free-kick, then later passed off another gettable attempt to teammate Lukas Cooke in the pocket. He didn’t accumulate high numbers, but used it well and had an impact on the game.


#20 Matthew Roberts (South Adelaide)

It was a hit-and-miss kind of day for Roberts, who featured prominently in South Australia’s midfield. At his best, he found plenty of the ball and helped drag the Croweaters back into the game through sheer work-rate. The South Adelaide talent was particularly prolific in the second term and looked most productive in possession during said period, capping it off with a well hit 45m set shot goal. He made some good double efforts at ground level and was moved forward for longer stints in term four, but found himself rushed and a touch scratchy when disposing by foot at times.

 

[Bird Man]

I just hope we don’t pull a conca and pick a player ahead of player that’s clearly better.

 

[Drunken Wookie]

I just hope we don’t pull a conca and pick a player ahead of player that’s clearly better.

They do it every bloody year lol. Our collective draft calculations on here rarely rate players in the order the club does.
The occasions when us nuffies, going off snippets of footage and match reports, get it right over the club are a worry though.