List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

[Lore]

 

[YeOldTiger]

With the talk in recent yrs of increasing the Draft age now would be the best time to consider doing that

Champs this year were changed to U19. U20 next year would be good. Give some of these kids a chance to mature more and get some life experience, study, travel (haha) and see what it's like to have a job/part time job. Less entitled brats like Toby Greene.

The other advantage is that it may extend careers. Kids are still growing at 17/18 physically and mentally. Right now most players are considered over the hill at 28/29.

Being more mature when they enter the comp is likely to mean they're more ready to go as young men rather than boys. Trying to see this as a positive as there's been plenty of discussion about this in the last few years.

 

[JR82]

Champs this year were changed to U19. U20 next year would be good. Give some of these kids a chance to mature more and get some life experience, study, travel (haha) and see what it's like to have a job/part time job. Less entitled brats like Toby Greene.

The other advantage is that it may extend careers. Kids are still growing at 17/18 physically and mentally. Right now most players are considered over the hill at 28/29.

Being more mature when they enter the comp is likely to mean they're more ready to go as young men rather than boys. Trying to see this as a positive as there's been plenty of discussion about this in the last few years.

I'd like to see them have 12 mths in the real world with real jobs on real wages. You wouldn't be able to mandate that but it'll do them the world of good. Even tho some of them would end up doing the yrs work at their parents company it's still good experience for them.

 

[GoTigers2015]

Hoping Geelong and Port lose the Prelims so Geelong's 1st rounder becomes pick 15

 

[sregit]

Sounds as though they could go into draft deficit to land him

Allegedly he wasn’t even completely sold on going there as a F/S.

What a shambles

They'll not go into deficit. The Pies will either trade out a player or trade a pick from next year to get the points. Not their first to get the required points They don't want an early pick this year until Daicos has been drafted as it would only be gobbled up in acquiring him. We should offer them our later picks (40 + 44) in this years draft + our first next year for their first next year. They'll end bottom 5.

 

[_RT_]

Just because the kids aren't able to play this year, it doesn't mean that the club has no intel on them. Most of the kids will have been watched for a good 4 years as they came through the U16s and while they won't play Champs this year, they did play a number of games this year, including trial games for the Champs as well where they would have gone up against each other. I'm happy to back our recruiters to use the knowledge they have gathered over the last few years to make as informed decisions as possible on the kids.

By trading out of this years draft, like we did last year we're effectively missing 2 years of top end talent being added to the list. That will create a gap in the list in terms of age profile. It might mean that we raid WA & SA for our kids rather than going after Victorian kids, or it could mean that some of the Victorian kids that we didn't think we could get fall into our laps if other sides above us target the SA & WA kids

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Yep agreed. He's very classy, tall, strong, genuine mid with very good kicking. Never looks rushed. He'd be a great pick up with our late first rounder if he lasts that long.

I’m stating the obvious here but if he tests really well at the combine, particular agility / endurance/ skills he could be one that rockets further up the rankings.

If recruiters can tick all those (or at least some) boxes alongside his consistent form then he will be right up there in the top rated mids.

You just think he’s one that has plenty more upside. Looks to have a physique that will add muscle with 2-3 solid preseasons.

 

[Stylo]

I’m stating the obvious here but if he tests really well at the combine, particular agility / endurance/ skills he could be one that rockets further up the rankings.

If recruiters can tick all those (or at least some) boxes alongside his consistent form then he will be right up there in the top rated mids.

You just think he’s one that has plenty more upside. Looks to have a physique that will add muscle with 2-3 solid preseasons.

I know the comparison is thrown around ad nauseum but he reminds me of Pendlebury a bit. Similar traits on paper at least

 

[tigs2010]

Sounds as though they could go into draft deficit to land him

Allegedly he wasn’t even completely sold on going there as a F/S.

What a shambles

He’s a Carlton fan

 

[Charlie Pannam]

I know the comparison is thrown around ad nauseum but he reminds me of Pendlebury a bit. Similar traits on paper at least

Yeah good comparison is a very smooth mover and finds space in tight

 

[tigerdan]

Geez.
That's a worry.
Honesty think I'd prefer if we offer up pick 7 for a future 1st
Rather not have limited data on Vic kids.
Crows & Freo might bite.

Would be better to give geelong back their 1st rounder and swap it for next year's. They will fall off a cliff.

Pick 7 would need an unbelievable offer to give up IMHO.

 

[Lsta062]

Hmmm Jye Amiss is the one out of this crop that could explode. The way he attacks the footy is pretty sexy.

But what if he turns out to be A miss?

Oh is that the door? OK, I’ll see myself out.

 

[Mr Magic]

Would be better to give geelong back their 1st rounder and swap it for next year's. They will fall off a cliff.

Pick 7 would need an unbelievable offer to give up IMHO.

Geelong seemed to be struggling even versus a depleted GWS.

Could we really get their 2022 1st on the cheap??

I suppose they will try and prove the rest of us wrong and say Stewart will be back etc..

 

[Charlie Pannam]

He’s a Carlton fan

Plays for Collingwood and supports Carlton
Can’t think of a worse combination

 

[tigs2010]

Plays for Collingwood and supports Carlton
Can’t think of a worse combination

Plays for Carlton and supports Collingwood. Toothless bogan who plays in infinite losses

 

[tigerdan]

Geelong seemed to be struggling even versus a depleted GWS.

Could we really get their 2022 1st on the cheap??

I suppose they will try and prove the rest of us wrong and say Stewart will be back etc..

I think they'd be pragmatic enough to do it. Better to get young talent in now than wait until next year.

Demographics are gonna see them fall off a cliff with a splat. By the end of next year they might have the $ to target a free agent.

 

[Mr Unbelievable]

Big opportunity to pick up some hidden gems from Victoria this year. I hope it's true that we retained a good recruiting team.

I’m pretty sure the club said this as well … you’re correct … we could pick up some gems !!!!

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Would say that the RFC have been the scatters 'cliff-face' three times now...

 

[Mr Magic]

I think they'd be pragmatic enough to do it. Better to get young talent in now than wait until next year.

Demographics are gonna see them fall off a cliff with a splat. By the end of next year they might have the $ to target a free agent.

People like Gerard Healy are starting to buckle against their perspective in terms of age profile but he might be influenced by his beloved Melbourne team aspirations.

I think Hawkins still kicking goals has helped them.

Duncan, I think, on the radio said in commentary today we think we are the best when comparing themselves to their Melbourne opposition next week which is the right attitude but do they believe it?

 

[JR82]

Just because the kids aren't able to play this year, it doesn't mean that the club has no intel on them. Most of the kids will have been watched for a good 4 years as they came through the U16s and while they won't play Champs this year, they did play a number of games this year, including trial games for the Champs as well where they would have gone up against each other. I'm happy to back our recruiters to use the knowledge they have gathered over the last few years to make as informed decisions as possible on the kids.

By trading out of this years draft, like we did last year we're effectively missing 2 years of top end talent being added to the list. That will create a gap in the list in terms of age profile. It might mean that we raid WA & SA for our kids rather than going after Victorian kids, or it could mean that some of the Victorian kids that we didn't think we could get fall into our laps if other sides above us target the SA & WA kids

IMO it'll increase the chance of Vic kids being sliders, given our Draft hand we could afford to use our later picks (2nd 2nd rounder & 2 3rds for example) on those if we really rated them as U16's or whenever they last played

 

[JR82]

Plays for Carlton and supports Collingwood. Toothless bogan who plays in infinite losses

Same each way it'd seem

 

[Hamsatma]

Would definitely be open to shifting some of our draft capital to next year. There'll be some good players in this pool no doubt but I'm a bit concerned by having our massive draft year being with such a disrupted cohort

 

[Gratees]

Would definitely be open to shifting some of our draft capital to next year. There'll be some good players in this pool no doubt but I'm a bit concerned by having our massive draft year being with such a disrupted cohort

Could be a good or a bad thing being disrupted, A super talent could slip through to later aswell

 

[LOZWILDA]

If we get Paul Curtis(2nd round) I think we would be getting a gem. Forward/Mid. Compares to Mark LeCras

Mark Lecras

Age

39

Ht

184cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

2.7

4star

G

2.0

5star

No current season stats available

D

9.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

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Pick7/9 Hobbs, Amiss, Ward.
Pick15/17 Goater, Roberts, VanRooyen.
Pick26/28 Williams, Long, Knevitt.
Pick28/30 Curtis, Banks.
Hopefully pick up Bulldogs 1st with our 3rds and whatever we can get in compensation for Chol and whatever if anyone wants Caddy?(would need about 1500 points to satisfy Bulldogs?)
Hopefully CCJ stays.
Free Agent- Tahlia?


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[Mr Magic]

IMO it'll increase the chance of Vic kids being sliders, given our Draft hand we could afford to use our later picks (2nd 2nd rounder & 2 3rds for example) on those if we really rated them as U16's or whenever they last played

I think there is a case for really chasing pick 2 to get a more known quantity, likewise pick 7 because we should be focusing on the now and short to mid term where more speculative options may compromise our other objectives.

Geelong might want to take a punt though and offer up there 2022 first rounder for later picks this year

 

[Drunken Wookie]

Would love to get Lachie Street in as a rookie. Keeps getting better every year at VFL level, even with the COVID shit holding the 2nd tier guys back. Could be a weapon in a full-time AFL environment.